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jaysay 05-04-2012 09:12
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982553)
dont know about that. But perhaps you lick the belly of the toad in the pic that kestrelX has as an avatar and get high
Ugh No thanks:eek::eek::D

jaysay 05-04-2012 09:16
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982550)
something like that:).....tell me, can you snort axminster...or does it have to be smoked??(just trying to get back on thread before we get slapped).
That reminds me of the footballer coming home after a stint playing in the States and a reporter asks him about the playing pitches, he asked do you preferred Grass or synthetic, he just replied, don't know man never smoked synthetic:D

maxthecollie 05-04-2012 09:31
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 982550)
something like that:).....tell me, can you snort axminster...or does it have to be smoked??(just trying to get back on thread before we get slapped).
Yes if the dog or cat has had a woopsy

kestrelx 12-04-2012 20:34
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 982553)
dont know about that. But perhaps you lick the belly of the toad in the pic that kestrelX has as an avatar and get high
No mate that's a common frog in my Avatar...so you can't get high from them.

kestrelx 19-04-2012 08:32
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I just found this web site...Legalise Drugs. :)

Legalise Drugs : Legalization and Control of illegal Drugs

kestrelx 15-10-2012 09:24
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Front page of the Times today...

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Smoking cannabis is no worse than eating junk food or gambling, according to a major report to be published today that calls for drug-taking to be decriminalised. The report, by experts including scientists and former senior police officers, says that illegal drugs are good for some people and that taking them is no different to moderate drinking. Calling for an overhaul of drug laws, the experts argue that the 50-year global “war on drugs” has failed and that a new approach is needed. But their demand that politicians accept that many Britons enjoy taking drugs and that drugs laws should be reformed will be strongly resisted at Westminster, where the Government remains opposed to decriminalisation. Police leaders, a former head of MI5 and the Government’s drugs advisers have questioned the current approach…
The Times | UK News, World News and Opinion

Margaret Pilkington 15-10-2012 10:27
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This is from a report by the UK Drugs Policy Commission.
I could not find it from the link you gave, but I found it in the Mail online.

The government are trying to rein in smoking and drinking and there is plenty of educational stuff about healthy eating, yet this group casually toss out a soundbite saying the taking of recreational drugs is no worse that these other life style choice...as if, in some way, that makes it all alright.

susie123 15-10-2012 12:29
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1022770)
Front page of the Times today...

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Smoking cannabis is no worse than eating junk food or gambling, according to a major report to be published today that calls for drug-taking to be decriminalised. The report, by experts including scientists and former senior police officers, says that illegal drugs are good for some people and that taking them is no different to moderate drinking. Calling for an overhaul of drug laws, the experts argue that the 50-year global “war on drugs” has failed and that a new approach is needed. But their demand that politicians accept that many Britons enjoy taking drugs and that drugs laws should be reformed will be strongly resisted at Westminster, where the Government remains opposed to decriminalisation. Police leaders, a former head of MI5 and the Government’s drugs advisers have questioned the current approach…
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1022776)
This is from a report by the UK Drugs Policy Commission.
I could not find it from the link you gave, but I found it in the Mail online.

The government are trying to rein in smoking and drinking and there is plenty of educational stuff about healthy eating, yet this group casually toss out a soundbite saying the taking of recreational drugs is no worse that these other life style choice...as if, in some way, that makes it all alright.
This is one subject on which it is difficult if not impossible to change entrenched opinions on both sides.

However if an independent body comes up with the conclusions as reported by the Times, than surely it is at liberty to say so? There would have been no outcry if it had come to the opposite conclusion. According to the Mail article:

...it stopped short of calling for the decriminalisation of most drugs.The commission is an independent charity set up in 2007 to analyse drug policy in the UK. It is not funded by the Government and claims not to have any particular 'standpoint'.

It's time people were treated as adults and allowed to make up their own minds on this subject.

I just came across this book published about six months ago:
Drugs - Without the Hot Air: Minimising the Harms of Legal and Illegal Drugs [Paperback] by David Nutt

Sadly I think it's too late to order it from Amazon before I go on hols on Friday otherwise I would have taken it with me to read. I shall certainly do so when I get back.

Yes I know it's by the infamous Prof Nutt but at least he's not afraid to stick his head above the parapet. From the Amazon review:

Prof Nutt puts the case for an evidence-based scientific approach to drugs. In straightforward language for the lay person, he explains what drugs are, how they affect the body and the mind, and why people take them and get addicted to them. He shows how we can quantify the overall harms of a drug, addressing issues from direct danger of death, through to environmental, financial and family factors, to obtain a true indication of the overall effect of a drug. Then, working from the facts, he recommends how society ought to address drugs and drug-taking, to minimize the harms at every level. [my emphasis]

Surely this is what today's report is about, rather than a blanket ban which leads to bigotry and ignorance?

kestrelx 15-10-2012 13:36
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Yes Sue, Professor Nutt is talking about the facts not knee jerk reactionism that the politicians use in order to get the "concerned" Middle England vote. Which by the way the Daily Mail represents.

I just came across this out of the Guardian.

A six-year study of Britain's drug laws by leading scientists, police officers, academics and experts has concluded it is time to introduce decriminalisation.

Decriminalise drug use, say experts after six-year study | Politics | The Guardian

tommiasfc 28-11-2012 17:10
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Breaking the Taboo Trailer - YouTube

New film about the war on drugs coming out looks pretty interesting.

maxthecollie 28-11-2012 17:51
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Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1029746)
Breaking the Taboo Trailer - YouTube

New film about the war on drugs coming out looks pretty interesting.
Is that what you were watching on the way home?

tommiasfc 29-11-2012 10:05
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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1029749)
Is that what you were watching on the way home?
Yes the link had been posted by Richard Branson, Alan sugar and a few others

kestrelx 02-12-2012 15:26
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Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1029746)

New film about the war on drugs coming out looks pretty interesting.
Are you sweet enough? :);) If you use artificial sweetners that contain Aspartame you may be poisoning yourself. The point here is that MDMA (commonly known as Ecstasy) was banned with very little realy evidence it was harmful. Yet Aspartame which has shown to cause tumours in human beings is sold openely and is put in over 6,000 types of food/drinks sold freely in supermarkets, inspite of research showing it causes health problems over long term use.

Aspartame and What it does to your children and you!!! - YouTube

MargaretR 02-12-2012 16:03
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I have raised aspartame before here -

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...die-41537.html

kestrelx 23-01-2013 16:39
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5 kids killed by drug called PMA - which is not real ecstasy anyway.

This would not happen if drugs were legal and the whole cloak and dagger element was taken out of drug taking.

This drug PMA takes a long time to come on so users take more and more because they think it's not working, then they are hit by the lot.


Drug deaths: Five die after taking ecstasy - Mirror Online

Gordon Booth 23-01-2013 16:43
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038362)
5 kids killed by drug called PMA - which is not real ecstasy anyway.

This would not happen if drugs were legal and the whole cloak and dagger element was taken out of drug taking.
But then again, it wouldn't happen if they didn't take drugs.

kestrelx 23-01-2013 16:48
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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1038363)
But then again, it wouldn't happen if they didn't take drugs.
Yeh but fact is your never going to stop people taking drugs just by telling them it's wrong and they can't do it. They are just going to do it anyway and as the state of affairs attests - people are sold drugs which no one knows about and this is the result.

Drugs - PMA, PMMA, red mitsubishi, killer, para-methoxyamphetamine

Boeing Guy 23-01-2013 17:19
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038366)
Yeh but fact is your never going to stop people taking drugs just by telling them it's wrong and they can't do it. They are just going to do it anyway and as the state of affairs attests - people are sold drugs which no one knows about and this is the result.

Drugs - PMA, PMMA, red mitsubishi, killer, para-methoxyamphetamine
You ever thought of starting the NDA (National Drugs Association)? It's just your argument for the legalisation of illicit drugs is very similar to that of the NRA (National Rifle Association) of the United States of America.

Maybe you could use one of their slogans, 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' to Drugs don't cause crime, people cause crime' after all addicts have been knw to turn to crime to service their habit.

Gordon Booth 23-01-2013 17:23
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038366)
Yeh but fact is your never going to stop people taking drugs just by telling them it's wrong and they can't do it.
How about telling them it might kill them?

jaysay 23-01-2013 17:26
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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1038363)
But then again, it wouldn't happen if they didn't take drugs.
Spot on Gordon

jaysay 23-01-2013 17:28
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1038381)
You ever thought of starting the NDA (National Drugs Association)? It's just your argument for the legalisation of illicit drugs is very similar to that of the NRA (National Rifle Association) of the United States of America.

Maybe you could use one of their slogans, 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' to Drugs don't cause crime, people cause crime' after all addicts have been knw to turn to crime to service their habit.
Your wasting your breath BG

susie123 23-01-2013 17:30
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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1038384)
How about telling them it might kill them?
They just wouldn't listen. If they are in a mind to do it they think they are immortal anyway.

Boeing Guy 23-01-2013 17:33
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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1038384)
How about telling them it might kill them?
You know what Gordon, if fools want to risk their lives with illicit drugs, well that's life.
I have absolutely no sympathy with any so called Illicit drug overdose/poisoning 'victim'.
You are in charge of your own destiny, if you are too stupid not to inject,take substances or even inhale things that you have obtained off 'some bloke in the street etc' then that's your own lookout.

There are many people who are victims of the illicit drugs trade, it's about time society bothered about them instead

Boeing Guy 23-01-2013 17:34
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1038387)
Your wasting your breath BG
I know Jay, every few months, he likes to bring this subject back up.
Why........

cashman 23-01-2013 17:38
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1038390)
I know Jay, every few months, he likes to bring this subject back up.
Why........
Perhaps to try n drive others away?:rolleyes:

walkinman221 23-01-2013 17:38
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038362)
5 kids killed by drug called PMA - which is not real ecstasy anyway.

This would not happen if drugs were legal and the whole cloak and dagger element was taken out of drug taking.

This drug PMA takes a long time to come on so users take more and more because they think it's not working, then they are hit by the lot.


Drug deaths: Five die after taking ecstasy - Mirror Online
If you think legalizing drugs will remove "the cloak and dagger element" your dafter than i thought, is alcohol not legally sold ? it still doesn't stop "the cloak and dagger element" making dodgy spirits etc and trying to sell them to the public for example Dodgy vodka could cause blindness - Local News - Hastings and St. Leonards Observer which is one of many cases if you look for them so legalized goods are still under scrutiny from "the cloak and dagger element" for the sake of a quick buck :rolleyes:;)barba crescit caput nescit for some folk:D

Gordon Booth 23-01-2013 17:44
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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1038388)
They just wouldn't listen. If they are in a mind to do it they think they are immortal anyway.
True, susie. I was told when I was a lad driving like a mad thing might be bad for my health. I knew it couldn't happen to me so I carried on
And it never did happen-well, just the once and it wasn't my fault, honest.

jaysay 23-01-2013 17:59
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1038391)
Perhaps to try n drive others away?:rolleyes:
Ya he won't be happy until the lights go out on accy web, we've already lost a few members, good members too:mad:

Restless 23-01-2013 18:09
Aspartame is something that I often look for in drinks. It's mention in this thread is out of place(it's a replacement for sugar not a stupid drug that makes you dance to crap music and hug people) I agree with what I have read about it, and the dangers apparently associated with it I certainly do not want to be drinking it. Was also reading that there is evidence that when a woman is pregnant and consumes a lot of it the chances of birth defects rises

DaveinGermany 23-01-2013 18:32
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038362)
This would not happen if drugs were legal and the whole cloak and dagger element was taken out of drug taking.
Really ? You don't seriously believe that do you ? Let's say for arguments sake drugs are legalized, government would demand a heavy levy in taxes, same as with ciggies & booze. So what does Joe & Josephina Public do, speak to the fella down the market / Pub who's bringing in kit from the "continent" because it's cheaper & there's a willing market, plus he's making a tidy profit. So his profit margin is maximized guess what he'll do, yep, cut it with other she-ite !

Druggies keeling over & dying up some filthy squatt, backstreet or even some penthouse because they wanted their fix on the cheap & someone was out to make a profit ! Where's the difference ? Drugs are illegal for a reason & that my friend is the B-all & End-all of it.

Eric 23-01-2013 18:42
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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1038388)
They just wouldn't listen. If they are in a mind to do it they think they are immortal anyway.
I am immortal. I was there at the Big Bang. I will be there at the Big Crunch (if there is one).:dancedog::D Matter can be neither created nor destroyed. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed.;) But I don't seem to have much energy right now; must be the joint I smoked.:)

But it really doesn't matter whether or not drugs are legal or illegal in the developed world. There will never be any shortage. Anyone who wants them can get them ... and there are no licensing hours:D Unless you are mickeymousing grams, chances of getting busted are pretty slim. The poor sods I feel sorry for are the ones living in Central and South America in the middle of the unwinnable WAR ON DRUGS. So a few thousand innocent folks die every year just so that western political leaders can look and sound good ... who really gives a damn, eh.

davebtelford 23-01-2013 19:20
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I don't know the answer but I suspect that de-criminalising drugs (with appropriate supply & treatment regimes) could reduce the harm they cause to users and to the rest of society.

Personally I would like to have guilt-free cannabis as an option to some of the pain killers the medics dish out.

Boeing Guy 23-01-2013 19:38
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Even Nelson Mandela is getting in on it!!!
Nelson Mandellas Crackabis - YouTube
And here
Harry & Paul - Nelson Mandela Smack And Crack Party Pack - YouTube

Boeing Guy 23-01-2013 19:39
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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1038429)
I don't know the answer but I suspect that de-criminalising drugs (with appropriate supply & treatment regimes) could reduce the harm they cause to users and to the rest of society.

Personally I would like to have guilt-free cannabis as an option to some of the pain killers the medics dish out.
I refer you to post 1330, by a donkey

davebtelford 24-01-2013 15:26
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1038436)
I refer you to post 1330, by a donkey
#1330 - Let's say for arguments sake drugs are legalized, government would demand a heavy levy in taxes.

You are assuming this to be correct with no evidence and ignoring my caveat about appropriate supply & treatment regimes?

jaysay 24-01-2013 17:37
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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1038618)
#1330 - Let's say for arguments sake drugs are legalized, government would demand a heavy levy in taxes.

You are assuming this to be correct with no evidence and ignoring my caveat about appropriate supply & treatment regimes?
The NHS have enough expense treating patients without self inflicted problems, setting up a scheme you suggest would cost a fortune, money we haven't got.

kestrelx 24-01-2013 17:58
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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 1038429)
I don't know the answer but I suspect that de-criminalising drugs (with appropriate supply & treatment regimes) could reduce the harm they cause to users and to the rest of society.

Personally I would like to have guilt-free cannabis as an option to some of the pain killers the medics dish out.
A lot of people are conditioned by the press. For example they claimed this drug that killed 5 people is Ecstacy (MDMA) it is not but called PMA nothing to do with MDMA! But the press want to brainwash people who can't be bothered doing their own research and just believe in bull fed to them.

Alcohol causes a lot of damage to idiots - who will behave like idiots regardless - but it's still legal! Yes there is a black market trade but again only idiots would buy poison with the hope of getting some cheap booze.

Thing is Dave decriminlization is probably going to occur sooner than later - sure cannabis should be available for medical purposes.

kestrelx 24-01-2013 18:07
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1038390)
I know Jay, every few months, he likes to bring this subject back up.
Why........
Because there are developments and it's possible soon at least cannabis will be legalised...

Heard about Baroness Meacher?

Baroness Meacher: Taking drugs is like having a cup of coffee, says peer who wants ecstasy sold in chemists | Mail Online

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Youngsters should be encouraged to switch from drinking alcohol to taking drugs, the head of a powerful parliamentary group said yesterday.
Baroness Meacher also compared taking banned substances to drinking coffee.

The former social worker insisted some drugs are ‘a good deal safer’ than tobacco and alcohol and said it may be a ‘very good thing’ if teenagers stopped getting drunk and took some types of legal highs instead.

Also Nick Clegg also says that the current system of drug legislation doesn't work!

cashman 24-01-2013 18:15
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Developments my arse, just another clown gobbing off fer a bit of publicity.:rolleyes:

kestrelx 25-01-2013 16:54
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What we should have is leisure centers in which all types of (safe) drugs are on sale and there are assistants and medics etc on hand just in case anybody has a bad one - then every body can have safe fun with their drugs! :D:):)

Boeing Guy 25-01-2013 17:00
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038852)
What we should have is leisure centers in which all types of (safe) drugs are on sale and there are assistants and medics etc on hand just in case anybody has a bad one - then every body can have safe fun with their drugs! :D:):)
You are joking arn't you!

I suggest those of you who want to indulge in mind altering substances, you visit a country that allows it.
Of course you could pop over to Indonesia :confused:

jaysay 25-01-2013 17:13
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1038853)
You are joking aren't you!

I suggest those of you who want to indulge in mind altering substances, you visit a country that allows it.
Of course you could pop over to Indonesia :confused:
the mind boggles at the total stupidity of some drug addled morons BG, as you say Indonesia would be an ideal place, can't fault that;)

Less 25-01-2013 17:13
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1038853)
You are joking arn't you!

I suggest those of you who want to indulge in mind altering substances, you visit a country that allows it.
Of course you could pop over to Indonesia :confused:
Let him know if ever you're going that way, he could hitch a lift on one of the engines, maybe then he's learn the dangers of getting too high!

Restless 25-01-2013 19:14
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038852)
What we should have is leisure centers in which all types of (safe) drugs are on sale and there are assistants and medics etc on hand just in case anybody has a bad one - then every body can have safe fun with their drugs! :D:):)
To lure all the thieving, robbing and general scummy smackheads into once place and execute them all? Sounds like fun to me

Guinness 25-01-2013 21:31
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1038852)
What we should have is leisure centers in which all types of (safe) drugs are on sale and there are assistants and medics etc on hand just in case anybody has a bad one - then every body can have safe fun with their drugs! :D:):)
Care to define what constitutes a (safe) drug? Who will pay for these leisure centres?

What criteria is necessary to become an 'assistant'? What training will they need? Who will pay for this training? Who will regulate them? Who will insure these assistants in case of claims from people who are injured during 'bad ones'?

Where will the money come from to hire the 'medics'? Are you expecting the NHS to underwrite any issues that occur during these 'leisure periods'?

Boeing Guy 26-01-2013 13:41
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1039031)
Yes I am partly joking - just see what reactions came up! :rolleyes:
p
Isn't that trolling....

jaysay 26-01-2013 14:13
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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1039062)
Isn't that trolling....
Then he goes crying when anybody has a go at him, the B.G.B

Guinness 26-01-2013 21:03
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1039031)
Yes I am partly joking - just see what reactions came up! :rolleyes:
Which 'partly' was the joke, leisure centres, (safe) drugs, assistants or 'medics'?

And which was 'partly' not a joke, leisure centres, (safe) drugs, assistants or medics?

Less 27-01-2013 08:47
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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1039139)
Which 'partly' was the joke, leisure centres, (safe) drugs, assistants or 'medics'?

And which was 'partly' not a joke, leisure centres, (safe) drugs, assistants or medics?
His signature:-
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Like a cat with 9 lives!

jaysay 27-01-2013 08:50
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1039204)
His signature:-
Think his brains on borrowed time Less:rolleyes:

kestrelx 30-01-2013 16:35
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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1039139)
Which 'partly' was the joke, leisure centres, (safe) drugs, assistants or 'medics'?

And which was 'partly' not a joke, leisure centres, (safe) drugs, assistants or medics?
Well "joke" perhaps is the wrong word - I dropped it in the mix because I knew it was controversial and would get some hackles up. The issue is who finances it and so on. How many people are dieing taking new designer "legal highs"? Why do people take "legal highs"? New drugs created because they are not currently illegal. What I'm saying if their were centres then there would be less deaths?

But that's if they do legalise some drugs then maybe?

Restless 01-02-2013 14:54
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There is a place where they can go where they can still get drugs, its generally safer, get fed and get to have their own room with TV's....its called prison

jaysay 01-02-2013 17:16
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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1040165)
There is a place where they can go where they can still get drugs, its generally safer, get fed and get to have their own room with TV's....its called prison
Ya seems about right that;)

Guinness 01-02-2013 17:33
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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1039801)
Well "joke" perhaps is the wrong word - I dropped it in the mix because I knew it was controversial and would get some hackles up. The issue is who finances it and so on. How many people are dieing taking new designer "legal highs"? Why do people take "legal highs"? New drugs created because they are not currently illegal. What I'm saying if their were centres then there would be less deaths?

But that's if they do legalise some drugs then maybe?
Which is controversial? The word 'joke' or the ill thought out paragraph you posted about leisure centres, medics and assistants.

I'm confused, because I found neither controversial, inane maybe, but definitely not controversial.

It's also a well known ploy, that when someone says something really stupid and find that they cannot back it up, they claim they were 'only joking'

jaysay 01-02-2013 17:45
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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1040200)
Which is controversial? The word 'joke' or the ill thought out paragraph you posted about leisure centres, medics and assistants.

I'm confused, because I found neither controversial, inane maybe, but definitely not controversial.

It's also a well known ploy, that when someone says something really stupid and find that they cannot back it up, they claim they were 'only joking'
A ploy this guy often uses Guinness

kestrelx 02-02-2013 15:33
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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1040200)
Which is controversial? The word 'joke' or the ill thought out paragraph you posted about leisure centres, medics and assistants.

I'm confused, because I found neither controversial, inane maybe, but definitely not controversial.

It's also a well known ploy, that when someone says something really stupid and find that they cannot back it up, they claim they were 'only joking'
No it's not that stupid I actually believe we should have the responsiblity to take drugs in a safe environment. Like we can buy a car and speed up the motorway - that's our choice. Some do buy cars and speed up the motorway - some get caught, some kill people. Ultimately there is no difference.

For example taking some magic mushrooms for the first time and walking round a zoo or some amazing gardens or a mix of both - would be an amazing experience.:)

churchfcrules 02-02-2013 15:37
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a zoo, on shrooms, u on drugs!!!!!

kestrelx 02-02-2013 15:40
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Originally Posted by churchfcrules (Post 1040359)
a zoo, on shrooms, u on drugs!!!!!
I had some good laughs on them - drove through the lake district once in a van and it looked like "hobbit" land - why not share the good vibes! ;):):):)

churchfcrules 02-02-2013 15:42
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
just thinkin of the dangerous animals that are at a zoo, when yer trippin, not a good mix

DaveinGermany 02-02-2013 16:12
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1040357)
Like we can buy a car and speed up the motorway - that's our choice.
Yes, you're quite right, but it doesn't make it any less illegal does it ?

Guinness 02-02-2013 17:02
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1040357)
No it's not that stupid I actually believe we should have the responsiblity to take drugs in a safe environment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrelx
drove through the lake district once in a van and it looked like "hobbit" land - why not share the good vibes!
So you driving a van under the influence of drugs round the lake district is your version of being responsible and in a safe environment?

jaysay 03-02-2013 08:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1040388)
So you driving a van under the influence of drugs round the lake district is your version of being responsible and in a safe environment?
I'm just wondering Guinness, when is this drug addled lunatic going to be banned from a family site or does nobody care anymore.:mad:

Restless 03-02-2013 11:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1040443)
drug addled lunatic
Just for prosperity. KesX said does not take drugs anymore.

I think comments he has made should be reserved for the 18+ area of the site. Self moderation is very much required on KesX' part. We have a least one young person on the site that surely doesn't need to be reading about "joys" of driving whilst under the influence of mind altering drugs -- Young Master ConClubBoy has enough danger in his life.

Restless 03-02-2013 11:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1040192)
Ya seems about right that;)
Apparently true. I was talking to somebody once that said there is more drugs available in prisons than there is on the streets. Perhaps an over-exaggeration?

DaveinGermany 03-02-2013 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1040471)
We have a least one young person on the site that surely doesn't need to be reading about "joys" of driving whilst under the influence of mind altering drugs -- Young Master ConClubBoy has enough danger in his life.
It's been mentioned elsewhere, but the tenets of Darwinism seems to be ever more appealing. :)

susie123 03-02-2013 12:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1040471)
KesX said does not take drugs anymore.
Quite right Rob, glad someone remembered.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1040471)
We have a least one young person on the site that surely doesn't need to be reading about "joys" of driving whilst under the influence of mind altering drugs -- Young Master ConClubBoy has enough danger in his life.
He probably already knows more about all this than the rest of us put together.

jaysay 03-02-2013 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1040482)
Quite right Rob, glad someone remembered.
He probably already knows more about all this than the rest of us put together.
What a wonderful thing to have on your CV, Well I'm very versed in all types of drugs and illegal substances, cuz I've tried um all:thankya:

Eric 03-02-2013 19:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1040490)
What a wonderful thing to have on your CV, Well I'm very versed in all types of drugs and illegal substances, cuz I've tried um all:thankya:
I doubt if anyone has tried them all ... I've been at it for damn near half a century, and there are several I haven't tried.:D

kestrelx 08-02-2013 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1040388)
So you driving a van under the influence of drugs round the lake district is your version of being responsible and in a safe environment?
No I never said it was being responsible - that is just me, I took the risk and got away with it!

Anyone see the Wright Stuff the other day there was a woman on it saying that Sugar is more addictive than heroin - that most of us are addicted to it and it's harder to kick than heroin or tobacco and is fatal for many people, causing diabetes and other health problems for more people than illegal drugs.

Also new on line gambling and some fruit machines are as addictive as crack cocaine! Gambling drives many to wreck and ruin and crime to feed their habit.

kestrelx 08-02-2013 11:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1040471)
Just for prosperity. KesX said does not take drugs anymore.
Well remembered Rob. :rolleyes: Only prescription ones! ;)

Boeing Guy 08-02-2013 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1041086)

Anyone see the Wright Stuff the other day there was a woman on it saying that Sugar is more addictive than heroin - that most of us are addicted to it and it's harder to kick than heroin or tobacco and is fatal for many people, causing diabetes and other health problems for more people than illegal drugs.
Now that's scientific evidence if I ever saw it, some Woman on TV

MargaretR 08-02-2013 19:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041148)
Now that's scientific evidence if I ever saw it, some Woman on TV
Here you are then -

Sugar Can Be Addictive: Animal Studies Show Sugar Dependence

Two years ago I followed a completely sugar free diet for 6 months which specified no sucrose, glucose, fructose, and no artificial sugar substitutes.

I did it to cure myself of overgrowth of candida albicans.
The withdrawl symptoms and cravings convinced me that I was curing an addiction.

Eric 08-02-2013 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041148)
Now that's scientific evidence if I ever saw it, some Woman on TV
But it's true ... However, it doesn't have anything to do with addiction. A liking for sugar and fats is hard wired into us as a species. It gave our ancestors a survival advantage; so, like it or not (well, if you believe the random mutation, selective retention thingy) we are stuck with it. Supersize me, and give me a chocolate shake:D!

Guinness 08-02-2013 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1041086)
No I never said it was being responsible - that is just me, I took the risk and got away with it!

Anyone see the Wright Stuff the other day there was a woman on it saying that Sugar is more addictive than heroin - that most of us are addicted to it and it's harder to kick than heroin or tobacco and is fatal for many people, causing diabetes and other health problems for more people than illegal drugs.

Also new on line gambling and some fruit machines are as addictive as crack cocaine! Gambling drives many to wreck and ruin and crime to feed their habit.
So..we need safe places to take drugs responsibly, but if we feel like it we can be totally irresponsible and risk the lives of ourselves and others as long as we think we can get away with it because sugar and fruit machines are addictive too?

Restless 08-02-2013 20:38
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Getting behind the wheel on acid is simply beyond irresponsible. I suppose at the time it might have made some kind of sense. Acid is like that. Well....

Back in the days... when One of my friends who(rather stupidly) put around 20-40acid tabs inside a bottle of whisky(no exaggeration I saw them all floating around and he drank most of the whisky) went out and came back hours later. When he came back, he came back with no shirt on. His hands, arms, chest and face was all bright red all over.

All we could get out of him was he had "A fight with nettles"

Later I found a piece of paper that he wrote on. I actually turned it into a song, so I still remember the words to this day.

Smell went big fish went long
We all went shopping for eggs
Tracey went boom!
Hello we are all singing
Beans went fizz ting
Lemons are cold

I don't share this story to glorify LSD but rather to amplify the futility of driving on such a drug (and if people can be a crazy as I know them to be on that....) or any kind of substance legal or otherwise(even reaching to eat a bit of sweet candy and chocolate) I don't drive. But I once went on go-karts at blackpool pleasure beach with my niece after a couple of pints and the engine set on fire. Karma warning perhaps

jaysay 09-02-2013 09:18
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041148)
Now that's scientific evidence if I ever saw it, some Woman on TV
Ya his brains definitely gone south:rolleyes:

jaysay 09-02-2013 09:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1041161)
Getting behind the wheel on acid is simply beyond irresponsible. I suppose at the time it might have made some kind of sense. Acid is like that. Well....

Back in the days... when One of my friends who(rather stupidly) put around 20-40acid tabs inside a bottle of whisky(no exaggeration I saw them all floating around and he drank most of the whisky) went out and came back hours later. When he came back, he came back with no shirt on. His hands, arms, chest and face was all bright red all over.

All we could get out of him was he had "A fight with nettles"

Later I found a piece of paper that he wrote on. I actually turned it into a song, so I still remember the words to this day.

Smell went big fish went long
We all went shopping for eggs
Tracey went boom!
Hello we are all singing
Beans went fizz ting
Lemons are cold

I don't share this story to glorify LSD but rather to amplify the futility of driving on such a drug (and if people can be a crazy as I know them to be on that....) or any kind of substance legal or otherwise(even reaching to eat a bit of sweet candy and chocolate) I don't drive. But I once went on go-karts at blackpool pleasure beach with my niece after a couple of pints and the engine set on fire. Karma warning perhaps
I'd love to hear the tune to that song Rob:D

Less 09-02-2013 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1041212)
I'd love to hear the tune to that song Rob:D
I suspect it will be similar to Lister's om song in red dwarf.

:D

Restless 09-02-2013 10:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 1041214)
I suspect it will be similar to Lister's om song in red dwarf.

:D
:D which one?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1041212)
I'd love to hear the tune to that song Rob:D
oh dear... i do remember the riff. Don't tempt me

jaysay 09-02-2013 14:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1041222)
:D which one?



oh dear... i do remember the riff. Don't tempt me
Go on Rob be a devil:D

Boeing Guy 09-02-2013 15:03
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There's a 1 hour edit here,
Red Dwarf-Ohm 1 hour - YouTube

I wonder if drugs make it sound better than Floyds Wish you Were Here

kestrelx 09-02-2013 15:54
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041148)
Now that's scientific evidence if I ever saw it, some Woman on TV
Clever :eek: It's well known that sugar is highly addictive and put in many ready meals etc - the woman in question was a fitness trainer - do some research or a google search and you will see this is fact!:rolleyes: Or is deliberate ignorance your style.;)

Less 09-02-2013 16:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1041309)
Or is deliberate ignorance your style.
It must be catching, I first saw the symptoms in one of your posts on this thread.

Restless 09-02-2013 16:17
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Oh well a stupid song might lighten the mood. I recorded on kindle but going to take ages to stick on youtube. I am in disguise in hat and sunglasses.

hmm its a bit embarrassing :)

Boeing Guy 09-02-2013 16:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1041309)
Clever :eek: It's well known that sugar is highly addictive and put in many ready meals etc - the woman in question was a fitness trainer - do some research or a google search and you will see this is fact!:rolleyes: Or is deliberate ignorance your style.;)
There was no need to make it personal, clever.... :rolleyes: I ask you????

Seeing I don't watch The Wright Stuff, I prefer Jeremy Kyle, it's more intellectual :D I am at a loss to whom this 'woman' is, you see I have a life and as such do not have the inclination or the time to look into your pro drug ramblings on here.
So no it is not deliberate ignorance, just apathy really.

Did you not grasp, the simple fact, the majority of the posters on here don't for one second believe these mind altering substances should be legalised and you are in a minority, oh hold on your so dumb you don't realise that do you:D

So congratulations you ...............thing ( I would be banned instantly for my very witty and scathing reply):D you are now on my ignore list, enjoy your trolling, I won't be bothered by the rubbish you post.

Have a nice life, I have no doubt you will grace me with red karma, oooooh I am so scared, or even go as far as complaining I have upset you be saying nasty words to you....... Well if your that petty, I really think you are, so be it.


Right time to enjoy the Om Song again, or should I just play Disaster Area's latest album?

Restless 09-02-2013 16:43
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Funny. This is the song that comes into mind rather the om song.

iplaymusicto - YouTube

Restless 09-02-2013 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041302)
I wonder if drugs make it sound better than Floyds Wish you Were Here
Thats so......

....Thats's so Crypto-Fascist that is

Boeing Guy 09-02-2013 16:48
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Dave is the greatest... Lol
I thought ths one might work
Father Ted - My Lovely Horse - YouTube

In particular the sax solo, now that is Crypto-Fascist.

yerself 09-02-2013 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless
Just for prosperity. KesX said does not take drugs anymore.
How will the fact KestrelX says he doesn't take drugs any longer have any effect on anyones wealth?:rolleyes:

Restless 09-02-2013 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1041324)
How will the fact KestrelX says he doesn't take drugs any longer have any effect on anyones wealth?
It was a comment to Jaysay who said he was ''Drug addled" how did you make connection to wealth?

Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1041324)
:rolleyes:
perhaps if you stopped rolling your eyes around ......

yerself 09-02-2013 17:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless
Just for prosperity.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless
how did you make connection to wealth?
prosperity noun - definition in British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionary Online

Definition
the state of being successful and having a lot of money.

Have you got it yet?:rolleyes:

susie123 09-02-2013 18:04
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Slight cockup on the dictionary front - posterity is a long long time,let's hope we have enough prosperity to enjoy it.

Restless 09-02-2013 18:05
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1041338)
Have you got it yet?:rolleyes:
You might go blind if you keep rolling those eyes...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Restless
Just for posterity. KesX said does not take drugs anymore.
ok 'fixed' my typo (aka on here as a "jayism")

Restless 09-02-2013 18:07
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1041341)
Slight cockup on the dictionary front - posterity is a long long time,let's hope we have enough prosperity to enjoy it.
:) yeah. I didn't notice I made a cockup till after yer quoted the dictionary

Boeing Guy 09-02-2013 18:12
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Beware the spelling police Restless, they'll get you for sure...lol

Restless 09-02-2013 18:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041345)
Beware the spelling police Restless, they'll get you for sure...lol
hehe. Spelling Police VS the Grammar Nazis

DaveinGermany 09-02-2013 20:20
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Misspelling & the use of incorrect words are all part of life's rich tapestry, Plus it don't half give you a grin. :)

jaysay 10-02-2013 09:33
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041318)
There was no need to make it personal, clever.... :rolleyes: I ask you????

Seeing I don't watch The Wright Stuff, I prefer Jeremy Kyle, it's more intellectual :D I am at a loss to whom this 'woman' is, you see I have a life and as such do not have the inclination or the time to look into your pro drug ramblings on here.
So no it is not deliberate ignorance, just apathy really.

Did you not grasp, the simple fact, the majority of the posters on here don't for one second believe these mind altering substances should be legalised and you are in a minority, oh hold on your so dumb you don't realise that do you:D

So congratulations you ...............thing ( I would be banned instantly for my very witty and scathing reply):D you are now on my ignore list, enjoy your trolling, I won't be bothered by the rubbish you post.

Have a nice life, I have no doubt you will grace me with red karma, ooooh I am so scared, or even go as far as complaining I have upset you be saying nasty words to you....... Well if your that petty, I really think you are, so be it.


Right time to enjoy the Om Song again, or should I just play Disaster Area's latest album?
One hell of a post BG, every word the truth, people clutching at straws trying to justify the use of illegal substances, especially use sugar as an example are really scraping the bottom of the barrel, probably somewhere he's been all his miserable drug addled life:(

jaysay 10-02-2013 09:43
Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1041345)
Beware the spelling police Restless, they'll get you for sure...lol
I've been fending um of for 7 years BG, trouble is most of them are just as big numpties as me on spelling:rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 10-02-2013 10:10
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And you know the humour of it all Jay, I get told I'm being offensive and accused of making personal attacks by persons unknown.
Apparently, it is okay for others to voice an opinion, but not for me.:D


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