Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968156)

Did the people you saw, and their families, who'd had their lives destroyed by heroin, start their addiction with that drug?

Or did they start off on the slippery slope taking a 'softer' drug, cannabis say?

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968159)

Some of the people i know who got hooked on heroin had never touched cannabis

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968161)

They went straight to taking heroin, and no 'softer' drugs before that?

In all the work I've done with those effected by drugs, I've never found that to be the case.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968164)

I am only going off what I have seen & experienced

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968166)

Same here, and in my experience dealing with hundred of young people addicted to heroin, I never came across one user whose very first drug was heroin.

They all started off taking 'softer' drugs.

Anyone who thinks recreational drugs are totally harmless, or even glamorous, should perhaps go and work with young people who once thought the same thing.

But who now degrade themselves, and put themselves in grave danger, no longer to experience euphoria, but to have enough energy to drag themselves out of their beds and onto the streets, in order to sell their bodies, so that they can afford their next fix.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968171)

Thing is I know lots of people over the years that have smoked cannabis , taken extacy , speed & LSD , yet none of then have entertained hard drugs like heroin or coke , even crack .. I believe its down to individuals being weak minded & just following the crowd they get involved with

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968228)

Well yes, the majority of users usually start experimenting in their young teens, so they will be 'weak minded, and willing to follow the crowd'.

It's a fact that some of them will continue to experiment with other drugs.

As stated earlier, when you're fourteen, most youngssters can't imagine they'll ever be as old as thirty.

They're even less capable of understanding that some of them will go on to become addicted to these and other narcotics, that will ruin their lives.

I must admit I'm shocked you consider taking hallucinagenic LSD, amphetamines, and MDMA, in the same group a cannabis, which is generally considered a 'soft' drug.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968250)

Imo Garinda , If they know the dangers of taking a highly addictive drug that destroys everything around them including themselves , that is stupidity , selfish & yea imo weak minded.

I class speed , LSD , extacy & cannabis as recreational drugs & not hard drugs .. that's just my opinion

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968250)

that's just my opinion

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968254)

At fourteen, or younger, the greater majority of young people don't know their arse from their elbow.

They know about safe sex, but some will choose to ignore advice, in the foolish belief that they'll never catch anything, or end up pregnant.

But some will.

If you think that taking the hallucinogencic LSD a worthwile way to spend your recreation time, do remember to open the window, before you jump out of it, and try to fly.

Glass cuts can be such a nuisance to heal.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968255)

Which comes across as rather sad.

Who knows? Perhaps that why some people feel the need to use an artifical stimulant, to help them cope with some inner sadness.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968259)

I have never heard of any one jumping from a window after taking LSD .. so dunno where you get that from

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968261)

maybe you`re right ... maybe some people take em to block out whatever it is that is depressing them , who knows tbh

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968262)

Haven't you?

It's not an uncommon reaction to the narcotic, thinking you can fly, whilst on an acid trip.

Sadly, many find out too late, that they can't.

Anthony Stewart (17) jumped through a hotel window and fell seven stories to his death after taking LSD - MyDeathSpace.com

Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with a few more of the facts, before publicly labelling LSD as a 'safe recreational drug'.

We have young members on this forum.

I sincerely hope none of them take any notice of your imbecilic advice.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968264)

If ain't broke, don't fix it.

If you're happy, no need to make yourself artifically think you are.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968259)

I have never heard of any one jumping from a window after taking LSD .. so dunno where you get that from

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968272)

But yet alcohol is available at stupidly low cost prices .. how it that right ?

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968273)

As you say though ... young one`s don't think straight

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968272)

Where did I say it was safe?

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968250)

I class speed , LSD , extacy & cannabis as recreational drugs & not hard drugs .. that's just my opinion

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968272)

How many die each year through alcohol ?

How much of a burden is alcohol related incidents costing the NHS ?

But yet alcohol is available at stupidly low cost prices .. how it that right ?

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968272)

LSD does not effect everyone in the same way

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968282)

I would certainly never advocate to a young person that it's worth the risk.

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968259)

I have never heard of any one jumping from a window after taking LSD .. so dunno where you get that from

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 968259)

I have never heard of any one jumping from a window after taking LSD .. so dunno where you get that from

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968280)

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Well not to those with half a brain.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968359)

There appears to be a strong body of opinion expressed here that holds that all controlled substances are bad and should be shunned as tools of the Devil and a danger to the young and impressionable. It is hard not to concurr. But in the interest of fairness I think it should be pointed out that the issue here is the abuse of substances rather than the use of substances per se.

Abuse typically occurrs when a substance is used either to excess or in ways other than originally intended.

There is a large and growing body of evidence to suggest that Controlled substances of whatever class have good, positive and life saving properties when used in the correct context and under supervision. MDMA (Ecstacy) is finding increasing use in the treatment of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, LSD is more effective at treating the problems of Alcohol withdrawal than standard therapies. THC, the active ingredient in Cannabis is used to combat the pain associated with degenerative conditions such as Arthritis with none of the noxious side effects of anti-inflamatory drug regimes. The analgesic properties of Cocaine and its derivatives have long been known and made use of in dentristry, among other branches of medicine.

What is not addressed by this discussion, or any other discussion I have heard over the last forty years, is why our young are so attracted to court the obvious dangers of substance abuse? Why are they so impelled to seek temporary release from everyday life? What is it about the qualities of our society that they find so oppressive or restrictive that they are prepared to spend large sums of money in funding criminal enterprise for a period of respite or escape?

How have we failed our young?

And, if so many of them are so affected, often at the risk of their health and lives, what are we going to do about changing our society to make such substance abuse unecessary?

It strikes me that in reaching for the 'BANNED' stamp, we are dodging the real issues.


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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968392)

As far as dosage is concerned, all controlled substances are subject to variation in the quantity/quality/strength as supplied. Only bringing the supply under regulation will iron out matters of inconsistency. With LSD, the good/bad trip phenomenon appears to be governed by the size of the dose and the individual's state of mind at the time. All alkaloid euphorics enhance what is already present.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968395)

You ever seen anybody on a bad trip?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968395)

You ever seen anybody on a bad trip?

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968392)

As far as dosage is concerned, all controlled substances are subject to variation in the quantity/quality/strength as supplied. Only bringing the supply under regulation will iron out matters of inconsistency. With LSD, the good/bad trip phenomenon appears to be governed by the size of the dose and the individual's state of mind at the time. All alkaloid euphorics enhance what is already present.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968403)

Several times. I have acted as 'chaperone' for friends who have indulged and I will readily admit that a 'bad trip' is not easy to deal with. Does that invalidate my argument?.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968409)

Which sort of proves my point. once the variables of manufacture are reduced the only variables which remain are within the make up of the individual consumer.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968166)

Same here, and in my experience dealing with hundred of young people addicted to heroin, I never came across one user whose very first drug was heroin.

They all started off taking 'softer' drugs.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968262)

Haven't you?

It's not an uncommon reaction to the narcotic, thinking you can fly, whilst on an acid trip.

Sadly, many find out too late, that they can't.

Anthony Stewart (17) jumped through a hotel window and fell seven stories to his death after taking LSD - MyDeathSpace.com

Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with a few more of the facts, before publicly labelling LSD as a 'safe recreational drug'.

We have young members on this forum.

I sincerely hope none of them take any notice of your imbecilic advice.

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 968430)

I have already posted what my thoughts are on this subject.

I see the usual typical sniping is going on.

Garinda can I ask where you helped these 100s of heroin addicts.



Most peoples first drug wouldn't be Heroin, as they will probably be young when they try there first substance and wouldn't have the contacts.

You could class Alcohol as a gateway drug, a lot of the young people I know tried there first drugs E / Speed / Coke, Ect whilst out clubbing. But Alcohol is good??

As for this take LSD and think you can fly rubbish, where does this information come from. (Urban Myth).

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 968430)

I have already posted what my thoughts are on this subject.

I see the usual typical sniping is going on.

Garinda can I ask where you helped these 100s of heroin addicts.

Most peoples first drug wouldn't be Heroin, as they will probably be young when they try there first substance and wouldn't have the contacts.

You could class Alcohol as a gateway drug, a lot of the young people I know tried there first drugs E / Speed / Coke, Ect whilst out clubbing. But Alcohol is good??

As for this take LSD and think you can fly rubbish, where does this information come from. (Urban Myth).

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968433)

The article says the Police "think" he had taken LSD! Think is not know! He may have taken LSD and mixed it with other stuff - if they don't know for sure it could have been Angel Dust or some other substance!

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968435)

I went out with a French girl who was a heroin addict I tried it twice

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968435)

I went out with a French girl who was a heroin addict I tried it twice and never did it again! It made me vomit and then I felt I was lying on cotton wool for a few hours and really happy! But I did not become addicted! Someone I know was a crack user I tried that a couple of times and thought it was rubbish! Not everyone who smokes a bit of pot ends up a hardcore junkie! I think there are other issues at play, perhaps genetic predisposition, social/family problems!

How many people beat up their wives or a family member or visa versa on alcohol? Thousands!

There are around 3,000 incidents of serious injury or death from drunk driving per annum in the UK.

Finally the most well known incident of someone jumping out of a window on LSD was in the 1950's when the CIA (US Government service) dosed a doctor with LSD, with out his knowledge and he jumped out of a window to his death!

That's a fact not fiction.

Frank Olson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968433)

The article says the Police "think" he had taken LSD! Think is not know! He may have taken LSD and mixed it with other stuff - if they don't know for sure it could have been Angel Dust or some other substance!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968437)

Well that comes as no suprise.

You do come across as rather dim.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968438)

Still struggling with the memory loss?

You informed everyone you weren't posting again, as well as leaving the forum.

An other ideal customer for a dealer.

Weak willed.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968440)

I'll try anything once (or twice);) as I've got the strength of mind to over come it! :)

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968440)

See another personal attack, your dim mate lol - you do it on purpose! As it happens she was very fit and I only found out afterwards! I'll try anything once (or twice) as I've got the strength of mind to over come it! :)

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968441)

I just noticed people had posted some more comments not in your favour and I wanted to give them some support.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968359)

There appears to be a strong body of opinion expressed here that holds that all controlled substances are bad and should be shunned as tools of the Devil and a danger to the young and impressionable. It is hard not to concurr. But in the interest of fairness I think it should be pointed out that the issue here is the abuse of substances rather than the use of substances per se.

Abuse typically occurrs when a substance is used either to excess or in ways other than originally intended.

There is a large and growing body of evidence to suggest that Controlled substances of whatever class have good, positive and life saving properties when used in the correct context and under supervision. MDMA (Ecstacy) is finding increasing use in the treatment of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, LSD is more effective at treating the problems of Alcohol withdrawal than standard therapies. THC, the active ingredient in Cannabis is used to combat the pain associated with degenerative conditions such as Arthritis with none of the noxious side effects of anti-inflamatory drug regimes. The analgesic properties of Cocaine and its derivatives have long been known and made use of in dentristry, among other branches of medicine.

What is not addressed by this discussion, or any other discussion I have heard over the last forty years, is why our young are so attracted to court the obvious dangers of substance abuse? Why are they so impelled to seek temporary release from everyday life? What is it about the qualities of our society that they find so oppressive or restrictive that they are prepared to spend large sums of money in funding criminal enterprise for a period of respite or escape?

How have we failed our young?

And, if so many of them are so affected, often at the risk of their health and lives, what are we going to do about changing our society to make such substance abuse unecessary?

It strikes me that in reaching for the 'BANNED' stamp, we are dodging the real issues.


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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968447)

So you don't do what you say?

No back-bone.

Weak.

Ideal target for the pushers.

It's all starting to make sense.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968443)

I presume the few numpties we have on here, who support the consumption of these narcotics, would happily give them to their young teenage children?

Just as long as they'd come from a 'good' dealer.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968450)

ha ha ha! Same old same old! Personal attacks are a sign you are losing the argument! :D

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968440)

See another personal attack, your dim mate lol - you do it on purpose! As it happens she was very fit and I only found out afterwards! I'll try anything once (or twice);) as I've got the strength of mind to over come it! :)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 968459)

Strength of mind is not taking Heroin in the first place, Yeh really have lost the plot,:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968473)

Missing the point as usual! Garinda's world view says that everybody who tries Heroin will become addicted - the point is I didn't so his theory is wrong!:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968473)

Garinda's world view says that everybody who tries Heroin will become addicted

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 968476)

No yer missing the point, anyone who takes smack is stupid.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968490)

Would you therefore surmise that a person, such as Kestrelx, who took it twice, was doubly stupid?

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968491)

It seems to work in amsterdam

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968495)

One advantage with canibis is people take it and cant be botherd to do naff all.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968498)

At least nowadays they can still see family, and friends.












They can now watch Jeremy Kyle on catch-up.

When they can drag themselves in to the land of the living,

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968506)

Im talking about taking it socialy on a weekend at night like people do with beer not people that are addicted just like i wasn,t talking about alcoholics.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968434)

Er...London, and Glasgow.

Though I can't think what their geographical location has to do anything. Well, unless you're off your tree.

As for where the information came from, regarding people thinking they can fly, after taking LSD, try Googling it.

Besides the news report I gave the link for, of the seventeen year old boy falling to his death, there's very sadly many, many other reported cases of this happening.

I'm begining to see a bit of a pattern developing here, regarding those who extol the pleasures of recreational drug taking.

Highly strung, and not very bright.

Perhaps that's the dealers' idea of the perfect customer.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968498)

They can now watch Jeremy Kyle on catch-up.

When they can drag themselves in to the land of the living,

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 968511)

I was more referring to the organisation / support group.

LSD Facts - How to Tell Use of LSD - Questions, Myths, Truth

snopes.com: Death of Diane Linkletter

Links to disprove LSD makes you think you can fly.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968514)

Can you answer my question about alcohol being invented in the modern day?

Also do you think that the 'war on drugs' will ever end because the cost is huge on police force were as if some drugs were legalized they would not only save money on trying to stop it but make money from tax and your talking billions of pounds saved in the first place what could go to help addicts.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968518)

As stated earlier, this thread is about illegal drugs.

Of course alcohol also causes a great deal of problems.

Again, as stated earlier, two wrongs don't make a right.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968514)

Can you answer my question about alcohol being invented in the modern day?

Also do you think that the 'war on drugs' will ever end because the cost is huge on police force were as if some drugs were legalized they would not only save money on trying to stop it but make money from tax and your talking billions of pounds saved in the first place what could go to help addicts.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968520)

Yes but you seem to be the one with expierience and knowledge just answer it I think its a good point.

Legalize it its not a wrong. I think if you have just been helping messed up families then thats all you no of drugs when there are many people of all ages who at the end of a working week enjoy cannabis to relax. All you seem to have seen is people who dont have jobs and smoke it all day but you get people like that on alcohol but if I went out and bought some realy strong alcohol and drank loads Id probably be sick and be in danger of death and that is something legal that can be bought cheaply.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968521)

Prople take recreational drugs for a high.

Soon the body gets used to what you take.

The high is lessened.

Some people, in order to recreate that initial euphoria, will increase the amount of drug dose, or move on to other, stronger drugs.

This is a fact.

People who become addicted to alcohol just drink more.

There's no 'harder' alcohol to move on to, for a better high.

There is hand gel, and meths.

But they're normally used by the desperate.

Not because they'll make you more drunk.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968521)

Some people, in order to recreate that initial euphoria, will increase the amount of drug dose, or move on to other, stronger drugs.

This is a fact.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968520)

Yes but you seem to be the one with expierience and knowledge just answer it I think its a good point.

Legalize it its not a wrong. I think if you have just been helping messed up families then thats all you no of drugs when there are many people of all ages who at the end of a working week enjoy cannabis to relax. All you seem to have seen is people who dont have jobs and smoke it all day but you get people like that on alcohol but if I went out and bought some realy strong alcohol and drank loads Id probably be sick and be in danger of death and that is something legal that can be bought cheaply.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 968440)

See another personal attack, your dim mate lol - you do it on purpose! As it happens she was very fit and I only found out afterwards! I'll try anything once (or twice);) as I've got the strength of mind to over come it! :)

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968491)

It seems to work in amsterdam choosing weed over there is like looking at a wine menu they describe how the taste and how strong they are. Some of the shops sell mushrooms and they have a bar chart out of 5 of what effect it will have for things like energy, laughing, colours, hallucinations, some were they give you good energy and giggles and 0 hallucinations, and some which are full on all. Over here you have no idea whats in them because they are not controlled.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968527)

Its not fact there have been experiments either way you can check they are all over the internet.

I no somebody the started taking drugs at about 14 and they have been college and uni and passed and now they have a decent job at 22.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968534)

Not every dope smoker will find themselves shooting up, in some skanky drugs den.

However, every smack head I've ever come in contact with started that journey by first using 'softer' drugs, such as cannabis.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968525)

People who took harder drugs peobably have also drunk alcohol smoked a cigarette even had a cup of coffee which all have body altering effects but its the illegal one that gets the blame. Its they easiest drug to get hold of so the link is there due to the person wanting to take drugs and that being first on the list.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968495)

If alcohol was inveted in the modern day like meow meow was and a few 18 / 25 went out drank in excess and died do you believe alcohol would still be legal. I dont think it would be people can buy 50ml of vodka with red bull for £1 in some places plus alcohol people drink it effects them and they start fighting. One advantage with canibis is people take it and cant be botherd to do naff all. :couchplus

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968540)

Had them people also come in contact with alcohol maybe that first buz of feeling different led them onto cannabis??? As I have said its the easiest drug to get hold of so thats the reason the link is there.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 968543)

My point has always been its bad enough when you have to take prescribed drugs to keep you alive, never mind taking something that is toxic just for kicks, I grew up in the swinging 60s when uppers and downs were flying about as well as pot, but I was never tempted to even bother trying, I didn't need anything that screws with your brain to have a good time, doing that just shows lack of imagination and self confidence on top of utter stupidity

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968555)

I respect your view i went to amsterdam were it was controlled and took the weaker of the shrooms that was to make you like and colours come up bright it was an expierience just like it stated on the box. I would never buy some over here off someone in the street as they are not controlled and they could do anything. Yet people do buy it and people die. Some drugs are very bad im not argueing for all drugs but some can be taken by some people and they dont get addicted if we saved money of policing and earnt money from taxing.

At the moment nobody can say the war on drugs is being won

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 968555)

I respect your view i went to amsterdam were it was controlled and took the weaker of the shrooms that was to make you like and colours come up bright it was an expierience just like it stated on the box. I would never buy some over here off someone in the street as they are not controlled and they could do anything. Yet people do buy it and people die. Some drugs are very bad im not argueing for all drugs but some can be taken by some people and they dont get addicted if we saved money of policing and earn money from taxing.

At the moment nobody can say the war on drugs is being won

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968517)

I worked with charities trying to help street sex workers.

Most of whom were forced into that work to feed drug addictions.

Wouldn't describe their drug intake as being particularly 'recreational'.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968521)

Prople take recreational drugs for a high.

Soon the body gets used to what you take.

The high is lessened.

Some people, in order to recreate that initial euphoria, will increase the amount of drug dose, or move on to other, stronger drugs.

This is a fact.

People who become addicted to alcohol just drink more.

There's no 'harder' alcohol to move on to, for a better high.

There is hand gel, and meths.

But they're normally used by the desperate.

Not because they'll make you more drunk.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 968541)

I've known alcoholics, and those addicted to caffeine, or tobacco, hold down full time jobs, and more or lesss carry on as a fuctioning member of society.

I've yet to meet a smack head, capable of pulling it off.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 968542)

You could put forward an argument against the potato, if that had been introduced now, the toxins would make it illegal.

As it is, however way back into the past we have used that particular stimulant/depressant (alcohol), to aid the majority through life.

Someone mentioned X number of deaths from drunk drivers were they drunk? Or maybe the police couldn't detect the narcotics and had to blame it on booze?

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968952)

All of them, to a man, were fans of James Taylor, Lou Reed and Bowie, and ALL OF THEM were smoking every type of dope you could name. 'Rope', 'Afghan', 'Red Leb' etc. etc.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 968536)

You'd have even more strength if you didn't take it in the first place;)

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 968952)

An oblique comment, if I may.

I read a few financial blogs, mainly to try to get my head around what is going on in the euro crisis. Many of the commentators on one are frighteningly clued up about how the market works and what it all means, I don't understand half of it. But I soldier on making what I can of it. Then, a day or so ago the bloke who writes the blog posted a piece about his youth in the early seventies, going to concerts and smoking dope. I read the comments afterwards. All of them, to a man, were fans of James Taylor, Lou Reed and Bowie, and ALL OF THEM were smoking every type of dope you could name. 'Rope', 'Afghan', 'Red Leb' etc. etc.

These are now men and women in their early fifties, with their fingers on the financial levers. I am not sure whether this discovery fills me with despair or a strange kind of hope.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 969322)

Steve Jobs the creator of the Apple Computer Empire said that LSD was , "one of the two or three most important things he had done in his life".

Steve Jobs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Francis Crick one of the blokes who discovered DNA - says he got the idea while on LSD! The Human Race have been taking drugs for Millenia and there are many theories that natural drugs found in plants were used by early religions and so on! Drugs were given to soldiers in the wars to help them stay awake and fight, drugs of all kinds are used all day every day for all sorts of purposes!

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 969323)

Whilst I'm not condoning the use of drugs - there have been some great songs produced (allegedly) thanks to LSD.....Purple Haze, White Room, Strawberry Fields etc....classics!!

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 969325)

And quite a number of musicians have been screwed up by LSD, e.g. Peter Green, Brian Wilson and Syd Barrett.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 969318)

Why shouldn't I have taken it - I'm glad I did take it - at least I know what I'm talking about.