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Professor Davie Nutt - The former government adviser on drugs explains why his latest research named alcohol as the most dangerous drug

David Nutt: 'The government cannot think logically about drugs' | UK news | The Guardian

Which leads to the questions:

1) Should we legalise currently illegal drugs?

2) Is alcohol and tobacco more damaging than LSD and Extacy etc?:confused:4

Kestrel X

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Lsd can be far more damaging, if yer 1st trips a bad un could be cabbaged fer life, know one poor sod that was, can't honestly comment about extacy, whereas fags n booze in moderation do little damage, the only debate i see about legalizing, is around cannabis fer medical reasons. imho.

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I think that we have to realise that tobacco and alcohol are only more damaging(when used immoderately) because they are freely available and seen as acceptable.

David Nutt....well, he has his opinions.....the only real value in lagalising the currently illegal drugs would be so that the government could perhaps tax them and of course ensure that they are of a standard composition.....meaning that they would not be adulterated with vim or other powder substances that could be as harmful as the drug they are 'cut' with.

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Medical Cannabinoids(Cannabis) are a horse of a very different colour and do not have the problems that Cannabis resin has......paranoia, and mental delusions.

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I can't condone his report and was very surprised when I first saw it some time ago. It opens the doors to a flood of new users who think that an E is safer than a few pints.

I've known enough people who use drugs to see the long term effects and they're all far more damaged than my contemporaries who have only drunk alcohol all their lives. I'm not averse to the odd flagon or ten myself and I know for a fact that I've come out of life a lot better than acquaintances who have spent the last 20 years stoned out of their head.

Cannabis is around three times as carcinogenic as tobacco and, regardless of whether it in itself is addictive, the effects of it certainly keep people coming back more often than I would have thought healthy.

Keep these drugs illegal, Great Britain has enough problems.

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i dont think it will "open the door" for people to take E rather han have a pint but could you imagine the damage that would be done if drugs that are illegal now become much more freely available? the money recouped in tax would pale in to signifigance campared to the money spent treating the mental and health issues caused.

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Proffesor Nutt is a dangerous man, partly because he voices the opinions of far too many of our P.C. freethinking elete leaders and policy makers.
Have you ever heard of a barrister saying 'M'lud,my client hadn't had a pint of Thwaites for 12 hours, he only mugged this old lady(who shouldn't have had her handbag so temptingly handy) because his addiction makes him unresponsable for his actions'?
Have you ever heard of a coroner saying 'This young person had an adverse reaction to their first cigarette, their immediate death was unfortunate'?
Alcohol ranks top as more dangerous than heroin, crack and crystal meth?? Can you imagine Accrington town centre(or any other) on a Saturday night if all the people there were high on any or all of those three drugs instead of alcohol? Can you imagine it the morning after? Or even cannabis, LSD and ecstacy?
He then says he would ban the first three(what a reasonable, sensible man) but would allow alcohol, tobacco, speed, cannabis and ecstacy to be legally available-he's not even consistant! Cannabis and LSD the least damaging? Try watching Woodstock or remember the GI's 'fragging' their own people because they were high and it seemed like a good idea!
In any sane country he would be written of as a slightly dangerous nutcase but as he says-'the Lib-Dems have always been more sensible about drugs and we know we've got a lot of Tories who've taken drugs'. So he obviously lives in hope! Heaven help us!
Yes, I smoke and I drink and I know neither is good for you but I'm still around and I haven't had to burgle anyone to get my next cigarette or pint(yet) or see a shrink. Or drop dead! Yet!

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A couple of points.
1: Cannabis is about five times stronger now than ten years ago.
2: Ecstasy is a combination of MDMA and OTHER substances. It's the other substances that usually cause the problems.

I have never known anybody to have a problem taking just MDMA. I have known people have very serious problems, including death by taking ecstasy pills because anything may have been mixed in with them.

It may be time that this country needs to have a serious and grown up think and debate about drugs. But what chance that?

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Saves me writing an essay on it Ken, totally agree with every word

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Problem with criminalizing people's so-called vices (homosexuality was once seen as a vice:confused:) is that it doesn't work. For example, the Eighteenth Amendment to the US Constitution, popularly known as Prohibition did little except push up the price of booze, get rid of all quality control in its manufacture, and, amongst many other things, gave a boost to organized crime (although I'm not quite sure what "unorganized crime" is.) It was an idea so bad, that it was the only Amendment to be repealed by another Amendment, the Twenty-first. And the criminal groups whose genesis was prohibition, now control the illegal drug trade. Prohibition of any drug just doesn't work; the trade moves underground (and a whole bunch of tax revenue is lost) ... take, for example, the "Wars on Drugs" that several right-leaning American governments have waged.

Even in Kingston, any drug you may want to indulge in is available ... for a price, of course. And this is known as a safe, peaceful community. The two murders that occured in the city this year were both "drug related". That's two unnecessary deaths as a result of the illegality of drugs.

It's a commplex and difficutly question, one that should be considered, and thoroughly hashed (:rolleyes:) out in the political arena.

Problem I can see, as a regular toker, is that if, say, marijuana is legalised, the price will go up and the quality will go dowm:mad::D

I'm not advocating no control whatsoever. The sale and consumption of alcohol is subject to many laws and regulations; and folks live with this no problem. Those of you who have visited Canada may have been surprised by the restrictive nature of some of these laws, esp. in my home Province. So, legaliztion, or de-criminalization does not necessarily mean chaos.

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I've said this many times before why do people want to put this substances in the bodies either by inhaling or swallowing, all for the sake of a few kicks, which could lead to an uncontrollable habit, its bad enough having to take drugs to stay alive, never mind just for fun:mad::mad:

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What he is actually saying is that without a slave trade and greed there would be no drug trade

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Eric, as a regular smoker and drinker I accept I may be biased.As a 'regular toker' perhaps you are? You can't suggest you shouldn't criminalize peoples 'so called vices' because it doesn't work! How about child porn?It's not a vice to the people who do it!We will probably never stop it but does your argument apply?If not why not? We cant stop burglary, mugging etc. but if we want to maintain a civilised society we have to have certain things which are not acceptable and are againt the law.
As setayas says, cannabis is 5 times stronger than it was 10 years ago! I wouldn't know but wow, that sounds like good stuff.And in another 10 years, especially if legal,what will they be able to grow? Do you really think a 'toke' of legal stuff will stop people buying some 10 times stronger illegally? It wont stop the 'illegal vice' because the dealers will always offer something stronger(And more addictive? That's good business)

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There is a line between what is a "vice", and what is a "crime" ... admitedly the line is a fine one, finer for some folks than it is for others. The reason that there is a debate about criminal penalties for drugs, and that there is no debate about strict laws against child porn, burglary, murder etc., should cause us to admit that there is a difference. Homosexuality was once a crime ... I remember the time that it was decriminalized in Canada. And a knowlege of British History would remind you that it was once a capital crime to impersonate a Chelsea Pensioner:eek:

And the "strength" argument: smoke;) and mirrors. I presume that alcoholic bevs come in different strengths over there. I can buy beer at 3% .... I can buy beer at 11% ... if I buy the strong stuff, I drink less ... don't have much choice really. And the only reason that there are "dealers" is because access is illegal. (In the Province of Ontario the biggest, legally the only booze dealer is the Government of Ontario.)

I am not arguing for wide open, uncontroled access. My point is that what is in place now is not working. Anyone who believes it is working has his head in the sand ... or stuck far up his ass. So, rather than hide behind empty rhetoric and prejudice, it might be time to debate alternatives that might work. What's the harm in trying.

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Come on; you are pretending a naivety that you don't have. In the guise of asking a question ... "why" is still interrogative in the English language, I presume ... you are stating your opinion. If there are a few thousand drug users in Accrington, then there are the same number of reasons as to why they use drugs. And then there are the Sam Stones of this world, coming home from wars and falling into alcoholism and drug abuse ... how do we deal with those unfortunates? Throw them into the slammer?

The drug problems are real ... they have to be dealt with somehow ... if the present system were working, then, no problem, "if it aint broke, don't fix it." But it so obviously is broke.

At least you haven't blamed "thirteen years of labour misrule";):D

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I love the way some people immediately accuse those who don't agree with them of being prejudiced, spouting empty rhetoric and having their heads 'stuck far up their asses'. It's something I could never manage, could you?
Of course what we have now is not working, making not wearing a seat belt illegal didn't work at first. But gradually people were persuaded that it was sensible to wear one, it delayed the time you became an organ donor.Very few break that law now.
So instead of listening to the 'liberals' arguing for decriminalising with controlled access why can't we have a proper BIG, SUSTAINED publicity campaign showing people what this stuff can and will do to you and try to persuade them that it's not a good idea? Is that not an alternative?

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NO:rolleyes:

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Short and to the point. What do YOU suggest then?

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Well being a member of the great British Empire that introduced most of these drugs to the rest of the world.Not a lot.:eek:

Keeping in mind we exported Opium to the Chinese and that there were more cocaine/heroin addicts in the USA in the 30's than there are now you tell me:confused::p

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Check your facts! The 'great British Empire' didn't invent opium, it was commonly used in India. Nor did we introduce most of these drugs to the world.The import to China was considered illegal by both Governments and don't forget if there wasn't already a massive market for it in China the British traders wouldn't have been pushing it.By modern standards what we did was wrong but don't quote standards and ethics of 170 years ago as if it made it all our fault today.
Your positive contribution-nil.Must try harder.

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Of course you are quite right in saying that Britain did not "invent" opium but then I never said they did,They exported it in very large amounts via the British East India Company in fact it was almost a Monopoly.

Heroin however was "invented in England in1874 by a Mr Wright (ironic eh).

Further more 1930 was not 170 years ago.

So to conclude: If you don't want my opinion don't ask and If you do then go to Specsavers before you reply

English Comprehension - You could not do worse.

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Never bought the legalise and tax argument especially with cannabis - a user can grow their own, probably to a higher standard than they buy now.

Still, the amount spent on the policing of drugs is obscene and I don't believe that whether or not a drug is legal has any effect on a user taking said drug(that given all drugs are legalised at once).

For the record I've never taken an illegal drug, never had a drag of a cigarette for that matter.

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No.

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The good old Drugs Debate.

Love how people who dont have a clue jump on the bandwagen that "all "Illegal" drugs are bad".

Things need to change thats a fact. I personally dont agree with legalisation but decrimanlsation would be a good start. (Certain Drugs).

Alchol is a drug and is dangeress, but the "Ive never touched illegal drugs in all my life" brigade dont seem to see how certain Illegal drugs could be better for Society than Alchol.

IMO certain perscribed drugs are alot worse that Illegal drugs.

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Drug abuse and addiction starts somewhere, I wouldn't think for a minute that somebody snorting cocaine for the first time thinks wow this is great I'm going to become and addict and it'll cost me £100s of pounds a week to fuel my addiction, its the same with any drug. I can honestly say I've never taken any illegal drugs either tabs smoking or otherwise, fags and beer were enough for me, I gave up fags the first time a doc, mentioned I should cut down (not stop) that was 32 years ago, I don't drink these days, save a bottle of wine at weekends, oh yes and Labour did sod all to help stop drug abuse:D

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well come on then explain how alcohol in moderation can be any worse? use of alcohol is down to plain common sense.

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From what I have seen / done, once you start having a few jars common sense goes right out of the window.

The Evidence is broadcast on 3+ Sky Channels every night.:D

The Use of ALL substanses could be described as "down to plain common sence".:rolleyes:

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Disagree alcohol is legal= common sense, drugs are illegal use of = stupidity.criminal.:rolleyes:

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Spot on cashy they only have to look at thee and me:rolleyes:;)

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:mosher::mosher::mosher::mosher:

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:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Ok then if you say so.:rolleyes:

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Some forums I frequent would class this as spam.:D:D:D

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some forums would class you as divvy.:D

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Thank **** there not on my list then:D

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Does anybody know why cannabis is illegal? I used to get into far more trouble when I got drunk than when I got stoned. The argument that cannabis use leads to other drug use and then addiction is an old and tired one. People who go out and have a few pints and those who stay in and have a bottle of wine, don't automatically become alcoholics, the same argument applies to people who have a few tokes now and again.

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What would some forums class that as?

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That isn't evidence, it's cleverly edited video footage which ALWAYS shows how the streets of Great Britain are awash with drunkards. I'm happy to say that I haven't witnessed scenes like that on the nightly basis that they are purported to happen. Rishton (and even Great Harwood which has a truly impressive array of pubs) doesn't play host to such scenes very often, in fact I can't remember the last fracas that I saw.

Bamber Bridge didn't have a problem when I lived there, neither did Lostock Hall, and in the eight years I spent clubbing in Preston and other cities I think I saw three fights, all of which were dealt with in seconds by the bouncers. Certain people are going to be less tolerant of drink than others but punishing the many for the sake of a few idiots is another case of using a hammer to crack a nut.

There are laws for drink driving, an activity which is bad enough in itself and slows down reactions, but how would someone who flouted the drug driving laws react if they suddenly had a bad trip at the wheel? I wouldn't fancy being cut out of my mangled car because someone saw an imaginary monster on the M65.

Legalising drugs and making them freely available in shops is a surefire way of gettng more people to try them, there's no two ways about it. The occasional iffy beer has far less severe implications than a bad trip - however awful the beer has been I've never died off a dodgy pint.

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Your right, I really have to agree 1930 wasn't 170 years ago.However-
First Opium war-1839 to 1842
Second Opium war-1856 to 1860. The current year is 2010 so I'll leave you to work it out.
History comprehension-You could not do worse.
Maths-surely not as bad?
Yes I would have liked your opinion, do you have one?

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Firstly I agree it is cleaverly edited footage, IMO to condition the public on how bad it is to be a police officer and this is why they have to be so heavy handed. The amount of wrong policing I see on them programs when people do not know there rights is shocking.

The street are that bad in alot of places, see booze britain and many many more as real life examples. I have seen it first hand myself quite a few times.

Alchol = Violence a lot of the time. FACT

As for the drink driving same applies to drug driving. Just Dont do it.

I also have not know anyone die from a iffy joint.

Just to clarify my point I would not legalise drugs I would decrimanalise them to some degree. Class A still needs some thought on as this needs a better aproach to deal with the addicts and not just the drugs.

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A reply with words.:rolleyes:

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There you go ... right on the money.:alright: Cannabis is not an entry level drug; alcohol is. And is it true that booze is legal? Or is it just legal in certain controlled circumstances? I can buy a bottle of liquor at the liquor store .... legal. If I buy from a bootlegger .... illegal. If I make it myself (simple: pressure cooker, copper tubing, and a tap.) ... more illegal.

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Alright, so I edited it a bit. But you know what I meant.
To lighten up a bit-we found this slightly iffy night club some time in the 80's and had such a good time we kept going back. One night, at a table with several people, the guy next to me started to roll a cigarette. I thought he was a bit tight with the tobacco and the end result was a mess. He had a couple of puffs and passed it on round the table-but everyone missed out me and my wife. After two or three 'cigarettes' they were all very happy, so happy one fell off her chair.I couldn't resist-'Don't mind me asking but is that pot you're smoking?' 'Yes' he said. I HAD to ask-'Why did you pass it round to everyone but always miss us?' 'I didn't like including you, I thought you was a policeman' he said. 'But if I was I would have nicked you all'. 'No, not in here,' he said 'this is where the police come when they want one'. And that's how acceptable it was even then!
Oh my innocence(or ignorance). I often wondered if I should try it-it made them so happy.
So perhaps, Eric, you hit on a good thing and I missed out! I'll never know, being hooked on tobacco is bad enough.

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I think your basically right Ken, as an ex bouncer of many years standing the trouble makers are usually those who've had two sniffs of the barmaid apron and usually go home quitely when you tell them very politely, that if they don't you'll rip their head of and place it gently in their pocket, worked for me :rolleyes:

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Nice one Gordon:rolleyes::D

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Where:rolleyes:

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From what I've seen there is the propensity for a large percentage of the people to lose common sense with any drug that causes serious change to mental state and that includes alcohol.

If recreational drugs were legalised then the quality would be higher and less accidental deaths and criminal gangs would go out of business over night. Why is it acceptable to allow people to drink alcohol and smoke tobacco legally and other drugs now illegal remain so. Surely if someone wants to take drugs then it's their body and their choice!?

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That's very simplistic to say the least kestrelx;)

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Tobacco is the bad one ... five and a half hours of surgery 4 years ago:mad: Surgery I wouldn't have needed if I hadn't been a smoker.

Perhaps, as some have been suggesting by bringing in the "common sense" argument, it is not the drug that is so much the problem as the people involved with it. Maybe it's not so much common sense as it is self-control, and an awareness of what one is getting into, and where it could lead.

Alcohol is legal because the govt. makes a shltload of money out of it. Same with smokes. If they could come up with a sure fire way of making money off weed, they would be in there like a dirty shirt.

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Well the way I see it Eric if smoking is bad for you, then taking cannabis is a double whammy smoking and taking drugs at the same time:eek:

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It's not that simplistic is it? I don't take drugs by the way, nor do I smoke and have cut down drinking massively partly due to a medical condition. But if someone wants to take a drug in their own home why not?

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Well it must be me, but I can see the point really getting your kicks out of substances that, not matter what anybody says, screw up your system

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The government could make money from legalising dope, by selling packets in chemists and taxing it in the same way as they do with tobacco. Also in last 20 years the most widely available kind of dope is Skunk. This is often 10 times more powerful than naturally grown dope and therefore has psychotic properties and is known for making some people mentally ill. So government policy is responsible for this situation as it's creating a situation in which gangs in the UK are farming skunk and the naturally grown dope is no longer available!

Also most Heroine abuse is with people who come from socially dysfunctional backgrounds. So the whole illegal Heroine/Smack/Methadone scene is based largely on social dysfunction.:alright:

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So, if the UK Government legalised Cannabis, Cocaine, LSD, Ecstasy etc.. Where would we get the raw material form.
We don't have any coca fields in the UK and as for huge amounts of Cannabis, maybe have to pop down to Morocco.
So our government would have to buy the stuff Illegally off the cartels.
If legalisation was the way forward, it would require a large amount of foreign governments to legaise it as well as us.

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I know someone(a heavy smoker) who could say 'I want a new camera,I'm stopping smoking to save up'.It never bothered him, when he got the camera he started again.I hated him, every time I tried it drove me mad.
I think some people are vunerable to certain addictions, certain drugs-alcohol and tobacco for a start. If you make even more drugs legal, common sense and self control won't always work- you'll have more and more people addicted to more and more drugs.
As for the 'load of money'-rest assured some cynical so and so in Government or the civil service has already thought of it-'if fools will pay £6 for a bit of tobacco,how much could we raise on weed?'.

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And seeing that a Heroin addiction can cost £100 per day, a Gram of Cocaine £50.00, Cannabis resin at £50.00 per ounce, you have to become a thief to afford it.

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yes.

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Someone tell me again why British, US and other Nato troops are dying on a daily basis protecting the opium poppy fields in Afghanistan, production has risen over 500% since the occupation and most of the refined product ends up in the 'west' . Seems to me if our Govts. were serious about the 'drug problem' the poppy fields would have been napalmed and replanted to grow food .
If anyone thinks hard drugs are just a pleasant way of passing a few hours suggest you visit the city near to where I live (Oakland Ca.) and see how the effects of Cocaine/crack has devastated the place.

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No oil at least not yet.But that's what the west is good at,the next thing you know some "historian" will be trying to tell us that slavery was abolished in 1833 when we all know it was alive and kicking in the 1950's and probably still is.:rolleyes:

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Thought Oakland was OK when I went there. Maybe I went to the wrong part...or the right part, depending on your point of view!

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Legalising heroin, mdma, cociane will never happen because these are potent drugs that have no real medical benifits.. alcohol and nicotine are the same but they have always been legal apart from the few years alcohol was banned in the USA for a few years.. in short it is a waste of time to debate wether or not these drugs should be made legal.

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An argument I can't bring myself to accept is that making drugs legal will increase the use. The fact that certain drugs are illegal does not prevent their use. Anyone wishing to use a particular drug will do so regardless of its illegality. If one made, for example, heroin legal I do not believe that there will be a mass movement toward smashing it. Most jurisdictions in my country allow and even promote safe drug use by having needle exchange programs. This allows addicts access to clean machines and prevents the spread of AIDS etc. through the sharing of needles. Also there are methadone programs ... in my community they are operated by Street Health and several govt. funded agencies. Harsher punishments for drug users will not work. The US has tough laws against drugs ... and the worst drug problem in the developed world.

I've offered little in the way of suggesting solutions. Here are a couple of things that could be done. Education: get the kids informed early. Try some prevention, difficult, but a helluva lot easier than coming up with a cure. Programs aimed at parents: better parenting will prevent a lot of problems from developing. Funding of programs for youth: alternatives to hanging around on street corners firing up cannons. Things like this sound simple; but they could work. Problem is, it will require lots of money; and with the suppositories in power don't hold your breath ... (How long before I read "thirteen years of Labour misrule":D)

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Opium, Heroin, Cocaine all used to be legal and used in medicine. Coca Cola used to contain cocaine as a main ingredient - which is why it's called Coca ....:alright:

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I don't think the way that drug use is portrayed by the media is very helpful.It is deemed to be incorrect to smoke in films and TV but It would appear that It's fine to snort white powder up your tudor.

It is also the topic of many pop songs.(still that started in the 60's)

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Think that's a great observation BG

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Got to agree ith you on that Mancie, for a change:rolleyes:

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Lots of medications contain drug derivatives, I use Dihydrocdeine,(morphine) a derivative of opium

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We have enough in this country to suffice with the class A Im sure most labs could knock it up quite easy.

As for Cannabis, easy to grow infact the goverment already has a grow on the go for medical research and we as a country actual export cannabis.

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:D:cool:

Should of gone to spex savers.:D

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Why:rolleyes:

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UK can't get a grip on its current problems so opening up another can of worms in respect of legalizing the present "Illegal Drugs" has got issues all over it. (Hospitals & Police are constantly pointing out the problems of excessive Alcohol consumption, how much worse would it be with drugs thrown in there too ?)

I personally don't care what people do with their own lives, but the problem is it never is just the person taking/using these drugs. There is always some kind of knock on & the severity varies enormously leading to ever more social problems.

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Wouldn't be any knock on effect dave, if they just executed em.:D but great savings.

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Cannabis in its natural form is:
a. not addictive
b. less harmful than tobacco
c. a better pain reliever than most prescription meds
d. a hell of a lot more fun than booze

And this thread is reminding me why I really liked it.

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"Liked":eek: You mean you quit:confused: I'm rolling a cannon right now. Drop by, we'll spark it up; I got lots.;) And a bunch of Lancaster Bomber to wash it down with. Haven't run out since '72:D

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So what is that like? Are the effects noticable or have you built up a tolerance. A pill I am prescribed Co-codamol gives noticable effects when I take it - kind of a very mild rush. Opium dens used to be legal and pure cocaine ( it was used in dentists, still used is novacain which has some chemical similarity to cocaine) and heroine could be bought in chemists.

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That explains everything.. maybe ask the doc to lessen your dose :D

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Or up the Dose :rolleyes:

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Your not complaining that 13 yrs of Labour control of the NHS turned you into a druggie are you ;) :D :D

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Haven't touched it in five years. Just about the only gear you could get was a super skunk, instant whitey. No fun, just wasted instantly. But if you've got some good stuff Eric, I only have one thing to say to you......................


BLAZE ON JOHN!! and enjoy

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Can't agree with b. or c. setayas. b any smoke inhaled into the lungs is not recommended and more fun than booze na not having that:D:D

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DF118s are stronger than Co-codamol kestrelx, If I forget to take my meds I sure as hell know about it very soon. I have Osteoporosis in the spine and believe me its good company, but DF118s kill the pain withing 15 minutes of taking them

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Or increase yours:p:p:p:D

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No that was 19 years of a conservative government that did that SJ:D:D

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Several years of steroids gave my mum osteoporosis too - she had her hands in splints.

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Yip Margaret steroids would be brilliant but for the side effects, unfortunately I don't have a choice take um or die:eek: although I'm usually on a very small maintenance dose of 5mg per day, which do know harm, I only increase them when I have a chest infection and I'm on on anti-bios

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Cashy, I second that:D:D:D:D:D

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Setayas, what's an 'instant whitey'? Does that mean you're so high so quickly you miss all the fun? That super skunk must be quite something! Sounds like Eric can still get something a bit milder(especially if he washes it down with Lancaster Bomber).

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Do you have a cold?;)

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Dough he dalks dyke dat alt time:D

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DF118's sound like a airplane used in the 2nd World War. That must be very painful. So your a legal druggie :D

Have a look at this web-site - it's an A-Z of drugs legal and illegal and reports of abuses and immoral uses etc :cool:

Erowid

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Well DF118s is the name is used in hospital, ask MargaretP, beats the hell out of keep saying dihydrocoeine :D and yes they are addictive, if you abuse them, as for lists of drugs I have several books on prescription drugs including Mims, thanks to mick, as for illegal, not really bothered as I have never used any:rolleyes:

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It means exactly that. Some people don't understand the social aspect. It's not all hiding in the dark but spending time in pleasant company with an intoxicating substance. A bit like the pub, but without the shouting, swearing and or violence.

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LSD and Ectasy are both made in laboratory's anyway so they could be made by authorised companies such as pharmaceutical companies. There are already some companies growing Cannabis in the UK which is for other purposes but never the less still being grow legally in the UK. As for Cocaine - I don't know fully about this drug.

So there is only one drug off this list that couldn't be made or grown in this country.

Finally ex-government Minister says that drugs should be legalised - Bob Ainsworth...
Legalise drugs for a safer world, says former Home Office minster Bob Ainsworth - mirror.co.uk

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Its well known that Ectasy and LSD can have serious side effects which have caused death in a few cases, which firm in the right mind would risk marketing either of these drugs on a commercial basis.

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You been reading the Sun again Jaysay :D

Pure Ectasy and LSD can't kill you taken in a safe dose. What can kill you is drugs perporting to be these which are cut with other chemicals by criminal gangs who are trying to maximise their profits.

As for allergic reactions - some children are prone to death by eating peanuts - so should we ban all peanuts?

More death are caused by alcohol abuse?

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Oh come on your just being silly now, I will reiterate what I've always said why use these drugs just to get kicks, NO DRUG IS SAFE so why go down that route just to get a buz on a night out

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So why add to it then

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what a load of balls LSD has always been very dodgy, ya only need 1 bad trip n can screw yer fer life as i have witnessed, can also cause ya to think ya can fly, ending in death, n the LSD i'm talking about was manufactured under scientific means microdot tablets cut wi nowt. everyones aware much is cut wi other crap, dunno what you been reading, but its as bad as the Sun.:rolleyes::mad: plonker.

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Ecstasy is just the same cashy Lea Betts found out the hard way and her father is still campaigning against it even today:mad:

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Ecstasy is a pill containing MDMA. One problem with taking ecstasy pills is that you cannot know what else the pill contains. The other main problem is dosage, many people take one pill which has no immediate effect, they then take one or two more. When the effects start to kick in, that is when the problems start. I've never known anybody have a problem taking pure MDMA, but have known several people have very bad reactions to pills containing all sorts of dodgy chemicals.