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OK i never new you were t total and never drank coffee or took anything that would effect your body. Is your way of thinking 'why drink coffee why not just have a nap'. You ever conciderd some people take drugs because they have to much going on in there life and they would like to escape it for a while.

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Er...let's just say old enough to have been around drugs, from art schools, the clubbing scene, and then in fashion.

When you were still sat on your Noddy Does Crystal potty.

I've also worked with many health education charities, that try to help drug addicts.

Old enough to smell plop-plops, that come out of a bullock's botty.

;)

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Because Garinda is saying he doesn't need drugs! When your brain is basically lots of "drugs or chemicals" working together - so what's wrong with adding a few externally - (he said laughing!)

:rolleyes:

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The thread is about illegal drugs. Are you now justifying the use of illegal drugs?

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Do read the thread.

See what's actually been already said.

Before you look like even more of a fool.

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I've changed my mind.

Unhappy?

Dim?

Unfulfilled?

Lacking imagination?

Humourless?

Drugs might help.

Fill your boots.

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All 40 odd pages you are saying you dont need things in your system

I keep asking you questions but you keep not answering them.

Do you drink if you do why?? Do you drink coffee if so why?? why mask what is wrong. Some people take drugs and sit at home and relax the same way people have a can of beer and relax just ones illegal ones not.

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Take time out of your busy little life, to actually read the thread.

I've already answered similarly banal questions, many times.

What was I saying about dim?

:rolleyes:

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Answer mine now be easier than scrolling 40+ pages. Or are you trying to avoid it???

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So, to add to the list, we can add lack of patience, when it comes to doing the simplest tasks.

Fair enough.

Knowledge is power.

Which rarely comes as a gift, but as a result of a little industry.

Ba-diddly-diddly-diddly-dong.

Musical Youth Pass the Dutchie - YouTube

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He's winding you up mate!

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I tried cocaine and cannabis, says Jonathan Dimbleby: Veteran broadcaster insists the war on drugs 'causes misery for millions' He suggest decriminlization may be the alternative!


Read more: Jonathan Dimbleby reveals he tried cocaine as he calls for hard drugs to be legalised | Mail Online

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Once again you avoided answering me. So if you do drink alcohol / coffee why put chemicals in your body? why should on be legal and one not? ( point of thread )

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I no but i no im going to get up in morning and continue my career. Im just entertaining him because this is probably all he has left in his life. He thinks its bad to put chemicals in your body but probably drinks alcohol and coffee and takes painkiller and anyone that disagrees is dim

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Read the thread.

Sit back.

Draw on it deeply.

Take it all in.

Hold it.

The answers are all there.

If you're lucky, as well as the answers to your little questions, you might even discover the meaning of the universe.

;)

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Ah, so before I was naive, and young, and now I'm old, and jaded?

Make your mind up.

See?

Dim.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I thought i asked how old you were because you seem naive. and quote me on old and jaded please Maybe we both need to read back.

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I've read.

I've read, and retained all I've read.

It's a great skill to have.

Knowledge is power.

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So you can't quote me then??? Haha another thing you have chosen to ignore if you are telling the truth and have read and retained

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Is your mummy there?

I think you might need changing.

Sweet dreams.

Sleep tight.

Mind the Cheshire cat don't bite.

:dummy2:

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Go ask Alice.

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Yes I drink, vodka mainly and I love a good cup of fresh coffee.
However neither make me hallucinate, paranoid etc.

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Recreational drugs are nothing like tea and coffee. Most of us won't do something we later regret, as a result of drinking tea or coffee.
You won't go and mug someone to get a fix of tea or coffee.
Taking painkillers is something that most of us have to do at some point in our lives.....but again we won't carry out some felony in order to get our paracetamol.

I think it is sad that some people cannot have what they consider to be an enjoyable life without the aid of recreational drugs.

Some people will go on from recreational drug use to addiction, their lives will be ruined....and what is more, they will ruin the lives of the people who love them.

I wonder,

You claim to have a career, would it be a responsible job such as a care worker?

Or

Could it be?

That you are a member of the teaching profession?

Judging from your above post such expertise in spelling, punctuation and grammar, has me thinking, you have the skills to hold down a job as head of the English department at one of our more superior Comprehensives.

Do you live in the area of the school? Amongst your pupils or do you commute to toxteth on a daily basis so that you can provide your charges with a superior quality of mind bending products at play time?

Or

Maybe I'm being over-ambitious with my opinion of you and your career training has reached it's peak by uttering no more than the phrase,

"Do you want frys with that?...

Man".

If drugs don't attract idiots, they certainly seem to turn ordinary folk into them!

P.S. I was given the idea that drug users are members of a 'free society', therefore, above the law, so why do you need them legalised? (unless you wish to conform and join with the rest of us).

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Well thats a great drug in itself Steve:D

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These illegal drugs are adulterated by all kinds of substances.......and those who sell them do not care about whether they will ultimately do you harm....they are only interested in taking your money(which incidentally, goes to fund other criminal activities)

If you are lucky, you may grow old enough to need some pharma(prescribed) drugs to keep your body ticking over nicely....and I bet you will wish that you didn't have to take anything.

All drugs have side effects......some are annoying, some are incovenient and some are scary.
Taking recreational drugs is a lifestyle choice.........(please don't insult us by equating it to drinking tea and coffee)......your life your choice.

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Yes, he's a very sad case, he started at an early age when he became addicted to his mothers milk, it took her almost 15 years to wean him away from that habit, (course, she blamed herself having offered it up to him almost immediatly after the cord was cut).
We, his friends tried to help, but we knew nothing and only exacerbated the problem, we tried to control the cravings he had for the evil coffee bean by cutting it with hot water, milk & 3 sugars but he was hooked.

The next thing we knew it was his 18th birthday and he was experimenting with half of mild. This in turn led to him trying the doubles bar where he ended up craving tia marias complete with cherry & paper umbrella.

The hand wrenching, the agony of watching throw himself into the gutter with all the other legal drinkers, (it was even rumoured that he could be seen around town with other like minded weak willed people at what were known as AccyWeb meets), Oh, the shame.

We heard of a rather unconventional cure being put forward by a Professor Horlicks, but later discovered that this charleton was adding extra 'vitamins' to his products thus making, malted milk the inevitable slide back to his original addiction of breast milk.
It was feared that he couldn't be left on his own with any women of child bearing age, without her suffering the indignity of him try to force his way into her blouse!
We have almost given up on him many times, however, he is our friend and we continue to do whatever we can for him hoping that if he can't ever recover his self control, that he will at least have his teeth removed to make the experience less painful to his unfortunate victims.

Hey rindy, where you hiding the instant stuff? After this, I could really do with a quick fix to keep me going until I get to the pub.

:)

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Can I ask what are you classing as recreational drugs.

Cannabis is naturally grown.

The same could be said for Tobacco.

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Just heard a story today about a guy who took a "legal" drug (can't remember the name, it's some sort of plant feeder. Why anyone would want to put that into their bodies is beyond me :S same with ketamine :O )

They had to go to A&E because they had a severe reaction to it and basically made them have a heart attack. This was the 1st time they tried it.

They have decided to go back onto the illegal cannabis............

There are tonnes of "legal/herbal" drugs that are causing more harm than illegal drugs at the moment....... So would making illegal drugs legal, which we know the effects of more than these newer legal drugs, be safer?

Drugs are only sometimes classified as illegal after the effects have be analysed, so all these new legal drugs are only legal because they probably haven't been tested yet. When they are they will probably be found to be illegal aswell. Which means that people will start looking for another legal drug...untill that is make illegal, and so on..

I am personally anti-drugs, and don't think any of them are safe, but if someone wants to spark up, or take a pill, then it's their choice, who are we to stop them.
Although I do think that the only thing that making them illegal will do, is making people think "ow, actually, this may be more risky than I thought".

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Never having taken drugs, I don't class any drug as recreational.

The dictionary definition of this is :- any drug which is taken voluntarily for pleasure.

While cannabis is natural....and therefore less likely to be adulterated, it still has it's dangers. It can be the trigger for lifelong mental illness.
The other angle is that some people will start on something which they see as fairly harmless(cannabis) but then move on to stronger drugs in search of a better 'high'.
As I have said in a previous post, those selling drugs of any description are not interested in you or your safety, they are only interested in making money,this money may go to fund further criminal activity.

If you want to take drugs then that is your lifestyle choice. You pays your money and you takes your chance.

I worked in the NHS for 30 years and saw first-hand the harm that drug dependency has on people and their families.

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The drug that this guy took was Mephedrone.......also known as 'Bubble'...and you are right it is a common type of plant feed.

The only upside to making illegal drugs legal, is that they can be made to proper pharma standards....the government could exert some kind of safety control in the manufacture...this would not necessarily make drug taking safer, as they could impose a tax on drug use, which would then make a black market in drugs just as lucrative as ever.

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I last used a drug 3 or 4 years ago - on prescription.

It was a 'blue pill inhaler'. I took it for 5 weeks until I found out that it increased the risk of heart disease and stroke by 50%:eek:

Many prescribed drugs just let you choose a different way to die:rolleyes:

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I never saw anybodies eyes spin and left them with a stupid grim on their face smoking wild willie woodbine:rolleyes:

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And we are all going to do that sooner or later Margaret, in my case I would probably have been dead long before Accyweb was born, but for prescription drugs, they have only ever help me in my struggle with this bloody horrible disorder which inflicts me

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I suspect this was Tiotropium (one trade name of Spiriva).
Usually taken by patients with COPD for breathing problems. Obviously, a wise decision by the doctor as you appear to have this type of problem.

I cannot find any side effects as you describe on the internet... most reactions are mild with, of course, the usual, very rare ones.

It's your decision of course ....we have discussed many times ...always the risk value here.

Just keep well anyway ... x

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I first read of this increased risk in a research report done in India. Our medics are now aware of it as shown here
COPD Mist Inhaler That Delivers Tiotropium Linked To Higher Death Risk

When my doc prescribed it following an xray he said the I had 'early signs of mid lung thickening'.
He qualified that by adding that it is not normally prescribed until the condition is worse than mine.
He said he would prescribe it for me because I do use any NHS prescribed meds.
He regretted not being able to compensate me for the loads of money I spend on Vitamin B12 lozenges and the nutrition therapy which I use to relieve my fatigue (and it works!), so he thought he was doing me favour by slowing the progression of COPD.

I choose to die of 'shortage of breath' eventually (doesn't everybody? :D) rather than heart disease and stroke - my choice.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;971923]The drug that this guy took was Mephedrone.......also known as 'Bubble'...and you are right it is a common type of plant feed.

Mephedrone has been made illegal. It was classified as a class B drug in 2010.

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As stated before in previous discussions,we can all find one report that shows bad adverse reactions to drugs ....ignoring all the majority that recognise the more qualified ones that do not agree. You choose to believe the minority.

The only way you can slow the process in COPD is to stop smoking. Yes, have experience. Think we will finish up next to each other in a care home on oxygen cylinders .... could put Jaysay in the middle. LOL. On second thoughts he will probably beg for Euthanasia... :D:D

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It is not an 'adverse reaction' it is increased risk - there is a difference

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PS I don't know where you get the idea that this risk is 'minority opinion'
Here it is again
Inhaled Anticholinergics and Risk of Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients With Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, September 24, 2008, Singh et al. 300 (12): 1439 ? JAMA

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[quote=annesingleton;972001]I have to correct a misconception about mephedrone, it never was, and is not a plant feed. It was labeled as such in order to import and distribute the substance when it was classed as a "legal high" the label has stuck. It is still marketed as a plant food but is also on the same website as marijuana and hemp seeds so you can understand the association has been made. I think saying it is a plant feed somehow makes it sound safe, how can something that feeds plant cause harm, but it does.
If you talk to the people who deal with mephedrone consumption and addiction(and I have)they will tell you that what I say is correct.

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Well Margaret according to this page there are 500 Paracetomol related deaths in England and Wales per year...

http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org.../27/1/19.short

There are probably less than 30 deaths linked to MDMA or Ecstasy - which in many cases today is not MDMA but cut with other more harmful drugs for reasons relating to the fact it is illegal!

Also people do become alcoholics and can attack and kill relatives, rob relatives and that is with a legal drug - alcohol. Gambling is legal and likewise people do crimes to support gambling habits.:D

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[quote=davemac;972010]Yes you are right - mephedrone was called plant food as it was an easy way to sell it without attracting attention - bit like an in joke!

It is actually a synthesis of the natural drug in Khat - a plant chewed in certain parts of Africa that gives the user a buzz a bit like speed and is legal in the UK and used by locals.

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Yeh but those 500 deaths a year, aint many of em took to get high, What a daft comparison.:rolleyes: Still expect nowt else.:rolleyes:

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Not you again :rolleyes: It doesn't matter whether what purpose it's for - it's still 500 deaths over 30! I think the issue you have is that you don't like the fact of someone taking a drug for recreational purposes! YET THOUSDANDS OF PEOPLE TAKE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OUT OF HABIT AND A LOT ARE ADDICTED - society lets that go and pharmacutical companies are making Billions out of it! ;)

If I want to take a drug currently illegal - I should be allowed to! What politician has the moral right to stop me?

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I don't like the fact people take recreational drugs? I really don't give a toss who takes what, in fact i'd be very happy if you Overdosed.:D

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It's got a lot to do with the Media printing stories with wrong information about drugs - namely the Sun! If anyone dies they blame Ecstasy and blow it all out of proportion - that gives the morons something to get excited about! So you ARE right on that one Kate x!

Professor Nutt was trying to get the facts out and the Government don't want the facts they just want to tell us - all illegal drugs are totally destructive and they will remain illegal when alcohol related problems costs the tax payer over 3 BILLION! per annum :)

I tell you if sex wasn't part of our bodies some Politicians would have it made Illegal! No Joke!

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Heard the other day that some American woman from the anti- sorry -"American accent"- "An-tie"-abortion league was trying to outlaw "self-pleasuring" don't want to risk a ticking off by writing the "M" word and offending.

Now that is wrong -perfectly natural...;)

Am off for another cup of English-breakfast - 5 mins brewing time - nice and strong! My only drug...:D Can't live without it...

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Well look at all the murders that are done by people over the issue of "sex!" so that is harm to life! ;) Jealousy over sex, and plain old psycho paths! Politicians like to regulate everything if they can. :rolleyes:

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So, you are now trying to change this to a:-

The Government want to control everything thread.

I think we can therfore conclude that your addled brain, has at last realised you don't know what you are talking about concerning 'illegal drugs', but you would rather try to smoke screen us than grow up and admit you talk rubbish.

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And where did I say that paracetamol did not kill people?
It has long been the drug of choice for committing suicide...it is easily available, and cheap. It might not kill right away, but it does kill.

What I actually said was 'people do not commit a felony in order to get paracetamol'....there is a difference.

All drugs(even over the counter ones) have risks attached to them.

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I accept that some people are addicted to prescription drugs...but that does not give weight to your case to legalise illegal drugs. As for society letting it go....I think that is a misconception on your part. You can hardly blame the person who is addicted to prescription drugs - they did not choose to take the drugs for pleasure. They were prescribed the drugs by a doctor, legally, for a medical complaint. The doctor must take some responsibility for this, and there is help for these people.

Some people have addictive personalities and will become addicted to almost anything....tea, coffee, mints, coca-cola........but they won't go out and mug someone, or burglarise houses to get their fix......they won't killl someone so that they can get a cup of coffee.

Alcohol is different, in that it lower inhibitions and make people do things that they would not normally do. It is cheap, it is legal and it causes a heap of problems.
I'm sure that if it did not bring in so much revenue for the government it would be banned or at least severely restricted.......look at what they have done with tobacco.......made smokers into pariahs, made it so that people who smoke can do so only in their own home or in a lean to on the side of a pub

You are right about t he pharma companies.

I have never smoked, or taken drugs...other than the occasional paracetamol........I drink very little(an odd glass of wine with a meal if we go out - and I can take it or leave it)...life gives me all the 'highs' I need.

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Seeing that the vast majority of people in the UK have Paracetamol in their home and only a small minority will have taken esctasy in the past year.
I would say your numbers are very skewed, seeing there are about 60,000,000 adults in the UK and only 2,000,000 have taken illegal drugs in the past twelve months.
You see when you do the numbers you see that far from being dangerous, Paracetamol has a death rate of 1 in 120,000. But illegal drugs has 1 in 66,000. Almost double the number.

Unfortunately you seem to be either: too thick, drugged up, insane*
To see any other side to this disscussion and are hell bent on making a real ass of yourself:D

*delete where appropriate

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Well that's one I've never heard of Kate neither trade or generic name

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Probably won't know what delete means BG;)

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True, he promised to delete his user name and stop with all this brain rot a few weeks ago, but he is still here!!

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Yes, he won't be lonely though, he does have a couple of like minded, (should I really refer to that pickled walnut he has between his ears as a mind?), to back him up, it seems they are attracted in a similar fashion to flies around the brown stuff.

One day he'll suprise us, he'll come on and post without the artificial aids he relies so heavily upon, we just won't recognise him.

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But I could argue that other legal substances including food additives could trigger illness or a bump on the head.

Move on from cannabis to get a better high, same could be said for Alcohol.

Those selling drugs, yeah of course they don't care, this is where better laws would help the user.

Funding Criminal Activity, buying bootleg, DVD, Tobacco ect probably helps with this also.

I have never worked for the NHS but agree Hard Drugs are very, very dangeress, I cannot though Include Cannabis as a hard drug.

I can say the same about cannabis.

My problem is people seem to know about drugs, but group them all under one banner. cannabis and E are completely different.

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Of course they are, cannabis has six letters and E (doing it's best to assist dyslexic junkies), only has one.

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the only people who want to legalise illegal drugs are the users of these illegal drugs.

There is very little validity in legalising them...unless they were given to those used them free of charge. If they are to be legalised and sold, then there is the possibility that they would attract some sort of taxation......as with tobacco......this would still lead to a black market (people will do anything to avoid taxation).

I do know that cannabis has led on to the use of hard drugs(this is from my experience in the NHS). I would think that few people will go on to use alcohol to get a better high......but the reverse might be said......alcohol users may go on to try cannabis...then cocaine or heroin.
People are arrogant enough to believe that they will not become addicted to these substances.......it is just sad to see how wrong they can be, and see the lives shattered by this erroneous belief.

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Oh and I do know that there are different categories of drugs......and that Cannabis and E are different.......different they may be, but they still have the potential to ruin lives.

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I don't understand the need to 'get high'.
I admit to having 'inhaled' natural 'grass' occasionally in the past.

If you do, it is a temporary escape only, followed by an extreme low.
If you feel the need to escape, change your life.

I prefer to be calm - it costs nowt and Zen buddhism techniques show you how to get it.

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I'm with you Margaret.
I can escape by reading a book, looking at my thousands of pictures, watching a film.
All pleasurable pursuits that do not harm anyone, least of all myself.

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Funny that, Pablo Escobar, the Coumbian drug lord. Purveyor of only the finest in cocaine etc once said the same Marg. He did not use drugs, he found better ways to enjoy life, but he certainly helped the users in Coke etc...
Pablo Escobar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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And both used by numpties with a death wish

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Exactly Margaret

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He might have been a drug pusher BG but he had enough sense not to use the product he supplied, far to dangerous and brain scrambling

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[QUOTE=davemac;972010]I completely agree, Mephedrone was introduced as plant food but never was. I have been working with a young man this week who has been using Mephedrone. His life has since spiralled out of control as a result.

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Do the people who advocate legalisation have any idea of the effects of currently illegal drugs on peoples lives? I'm not just talking about the immediate effects, I'm talking about the chaotic lifestyles, the inability to function, the aggression, the paranoia, the crime they have to commit to get the money to finance their habit and caused as a result of taking drugs, the trauma they put their families and loved ones through, their loss of looks, their selfishness, their costs to society via the NHS, the benefits system and the criminal justice system? And on the plus side the user will get a 'high' or a 'kick' for a while until they need their next fix.
And yes I know that legal activities such as alcohol can cause the same problems, but we are talking about drugs which are currently illegal - I do not think there can be any excuse for legalising them and I would like anyone to justify realistically why they should be legalised without mentioning the right to do what you want with your body - but please at the same time tell me where you would draw the line?

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We've already seen enough evidence of those things, exhibited in this thread, by the pro-recreational drug users.

:rolleyes:

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I personally don't see the point in following a football team! Seriously - I like the world cup and european cup - but when I try and follow English football league I just can't get excited about it!

So people want and enjoy different things. I might ban football if I was in power! I just don't see the problem for a responsible person to be able to smoke cannabis? Out of principle!

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oxymoron? Responsible cannabis user?

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[quote=annesingleton;972223]It was never a plant food - they sold as that because it was illegal to sell it as for human consumption. It wasn't illegal at the time.

"organisations including the BBC and The Guardian, as well as a news section in the Annals of Botany[38] (later corrected[39]), incorrectly reported that mephedrone was commonly used as a plant fertiliser. In fact sellers of the drug described it as "plant food" because it was illegal to sell the compound for human consumption"

Quote from Wikipedia.

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It's not an oxymoron - some people use cannabis because they find it helps them with pain control in away that prescription drugs don't! By responsible I mean not some kid running round the street in a gang smoking cannabis in the street and causing trouble.

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I know some people who do, responsibly, but it is stress relief, and there are better ways of relieving stress.

Here I am after 4 days of nearly tearing my hair out, and nearly opening the Jack Daniels bottle I bought 2 years ago. I did a bit of reading philosophy written by a zen buddhist and now feel calm. I'm actually smiling to myself.

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[QUOTE=kestrelx;972290]It was made illegal in 2010 and is currently a class B drug.

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No-one who is responsible would want to smoke cannabis.
Responsible people take charge of their lives. And don't tell me about celebs or politicians who smoked cannabis....and ask me if I think they are responsible...the answer would have to be NO!

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As for pain control, cannabinoids are now available on prescription(Sativex - was the one being used just before I left the NHS) for patients who need it for this reason....it is still addictive.

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I'm very sorry if you or someone you know have a complaint which means you have to use pain control. I knew a man some time ago who suffered from Multiple Sclerosis and was totally dependent until he smoked cannabis, when he could do much more, in fact it was amazing to see him.
Heroin is derived from morphine which comes from the opium poppy, and has benefits in providing pain relief. Cocaine is useful as an anaesthetic. All are beneficial for specific use but not as a mind altering recreational tool. All are legal when used for specific medicinal reasons but are controlled drugs. I do not see any valid reason to legalise any more mind altering substances for recreational purposes than we already have and I have not yet seen any argument which would persuade me otherwise based on my own professional experience.

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So shall we add meglomania to the list of phsycological problems the long term 'social druggie' will suffer from?

I don't follow football, very often, but wonder why would someone want to ban it.

Could you please define for us what exactly you mean by a responsible person using cannabis is? Then explain to us how you would stop an irresponsible person from smoking it? Would you make it illegal for irresponsible users to use it?

I would have thought a responsible person refrains from using it because it's illegal.

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Well said Less.

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No - my comment about football was sarcastic, because someone said they can't understand why someone wants to get high - I was saying I can't understand why someone follows a football team - i really can't!

Responsible is someone using it a few days a week - that said there are people in full time jobs drinking alchohol every day of the week!

I know someone who brings up two kids well and smokes cannabis regularly - he has no problems!

Paul McCartney has been smoking it for years and still does at 69 he has a full life...
Sir Paul McCartney gives up cannabis aged 69 for daughter Beatrice | Metro.co.uk

How do you stop irresponsible people driving cars, drinking alcohol, gambling and everything else?

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You don't do it by legalising illegal drugs!

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Keeping cannabis illegal is maintaining criminal gang control of something and thus fuelling that street gang culture and making it more glamorous to delinquents to become part of a gang and carry out criminal acts to take drugs. Causing more crime and more problems for the Police! By legalising cannabis that whole gang culture would collapse and I think in the long term less people would smoke it because it was no longer "cool" to be part of that culture. :cool:

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Seeing if you take illegal drugs you are twice as more likely to die than from Paracetamol. I would have thought responsibility does not come into it.

I refer to my earlier post on this subject
Post 753 a few pages back

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Responsible is:- seeing that using this substance can have long term health implications and deciding against using it at all. There are other, much safer ways, to get some pleasure out of life.

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And legalising it would stop that, would it?

You may be of that opinion, but I am not.
Legalising it would perhaps make the government tax it, and so there would still be a black market out there for it....and you do not address the progression by some users to the harder drugs.

Anyone who sees drug taking(in whatever form)as cool needs their head testing......it isn't big, glamourous or clever.

We need to educate the youngsters who may use illegal substances, by letting them see and speak to recovering addicts....giving them a spell in a rehab unit or psychiatric facility....let them see the potential harm that even these so called 'harmless' drugs can cause.

So, a thirteen year old child using it 3 times a week because he knows he hasn't enough pocket money for anymore would therefore be acting 'responsibly'?

Yes, both having a job and drinking alchohol are legal at the moment.


With laws.

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There will always be an illegal gang control just as there is with alcohol and tobacco which is legal to buy - and even DVDs. If it were to be legalised I'm sure the government would milk the tax revenue it would bring in so I doubt there would be a significant difference in crime rates. The argument does not really hold.

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I know of a group of local recovering substance users who talk to young people about their experiences - their sessions are very powerful and really make the young people think about their actions. Unfortunately there are child protection and data protection issues which prevent them being able to visit rehab or psychiatric units to look around.

Thank you Margaret, although you must realise I wouldn't be able to do it if I wasn't a responsible drug user.
:)

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Naturally Less......would expect nothing less of you.(no pun intended)

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Over use of the Oxy there Sue;)

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Your not some people, you have said you used it for pure pleasure not as a pain killer or anything else

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I did use it like 18 years ago! :rolleyes: and some people are in and out of prison for murder in that time - so I'm sure that society has forgiven me for it, even though I was never caught for it! :)

CLEAR: Cannabis Law Reform

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So, if it was such a pleasurable pursuit, what made you give it up?

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A few reasons, but one was that the only type available was Skunk which I found too strong...

Which is another problem caused by letting criminals run it...

http://clear-uk.org/cannabis-farms/

Quote. "In a properly regulated system, thousands of new jobs would be created on licensed cannabis farms and individuals would be able to grow their own in the privacy of their home."

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Are you insane!!
I refer you back to my post, twice made now, you seem to ignore.

Seeing if you take illegal drugs you are twice as more likely to die than from Paracetamol. I would have thought responsibility does not come into it.

I refer to my earlier post on this subject
Post 753 a few pages back

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But your the idiot who keeps enhancing its use, looks like it took its toll 18 years ago

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Seems like the damage was done back then BG, no longer able to reason sensibly