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But leave the acid alone because that will screw your head up.

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Your wrong I have taken LSD and it can't physically kill you unless cut with other chemicals - like strychnine which has been used to cut LSD. It can damage your mental health and in a few cases has caused a user to commit suicide. Strength of LSD these days is very weak (if you can still get it I don't know but I've heard it's hard to get these days) but in the 60's LSD was so strong it would put you on another planet. So it can be made to varying strengths. So I am talking from experience and please don't use verbal abuse.

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Again you don't know what that Ecstasy was cut with. People who are ardently against drugs don't care if it was laced, all they care about is keeping drugs illegal.

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plonker is not verbal abuse, its my opinion of you, i stand by what i said dont know if hard to get these days as i am talking about the 60s, i also know where it was manufactured back then n what went in it, so i stand by the fact yer talking balls. but if you would like verbal abuse, i will be happy to oblige.:D

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Please don't use verbal abuse ? You come up with statements like the above ....... Not the smartest thing to say really is it ? You are a foolish individual, firstly for your comments & secondly to think you won't be judged. As it stands in UK Drugs are illegal endex ! No ifs or buts, I really couldn't care less what you do to yourself but the problem is the fallout !

You personally may not have caused any problems to others with your drug taking, but for every one like you there's an innumerable amount of others who have ! How many times ? Granny beaten for 3 quid to feed yobs habit ! Home broken into by fix needing felon ! should I go on ? It's always about someone with a drug habit 99% of the time & not a drink issue.

And before you go on about Drunks, I know ! They aren't exactly saints either but the majority of them are doing it to each other down town in a drunken miasma with other Drunks & not attacking some old dear on her way to the shops for a pint of milk ! You really should rethink your lifestyle choices friend.

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You don't know what your talking about! There was not one manufacturer of this drug in the 60's so how can you know where it was made? You may know one manufacturer - for all I know that could have been someone in Accrington who was trying to be clever with his chemistry set. But LSD was made by many sources, much of it in Holland. I think you don't have a clue about it mate really. If you can't have a intelligent conversation don't waste my time!

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My statments are right and proper. You are not clear about what statements I have made. So don't call me a foolish individual. Up until 1916 Cocaine could be bought in any chemist and up until 1960's Heroine was available in GP's. LSD as a chemical is not dangerous, it is the effect it has that can be dangerous - big difference. This thread is about whether "illegal" drugs should be legal or not?

There are people who beat up old people with out being on drugs, people who do it just for money or kicks - how many people are killed by hit and run drivers on drink and not drugs? Also drugs is a massive term there are 1,000's of types of drugs, some used and some abused.

I don't take drugs pal! In fact the drugs I have been prescribed by a Doctor legal drugs for normal illness give me more undesirable side effects than other drugs I had before. Drink is a harmful drug that keeps people dumb. There is always some loud mouth who's drank too much causing trouble.

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you really are a fool, twas made in the science lab of a uni, which supplied much of the north west, its you that are clueless stupid n know nowt.:(

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The problem is that you have now admitted to using class a drugs.

So why should anyone listen to your ramblings.

There is no need for anyone to take Lysergic acid diethylamide recreationally, so why bother to legalise it.
The simple fact is these drugs cause problems to the user and to society as a whole.
From users hurting themselves to people being robbed to feed a habit.
Do not for one second think you can try to argue the point that illegal drugs do not have serious consequences, because they do.

Just to add about the legalisation issue, in parts of Holland, the municipal parks and children's playgrounds are awash with the waste of drug users. Nasty things like spent needles. Also it is now a drug tourist hotspot for people to go to.

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Then in post 107 Kestrelx said Sounds like you are a bit confused!!! Maybe you should lay off the acid

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thats the trouble wi some- they just dig deeper.:D

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Seems you are pretty confused KX. And should you now wish to continue with your tirade, at least put facts out there so that we don't get mislead if that's the case by your self aggrandizing statements (See above in RED). So you see, with statements like those the expression foolish is one of the politer terms I would use for people (not just you) who claim they've taken illegal drugs.

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I took acid about 30 years ago! So at least I have the experience to know what I am talking about. Not just what I read 2nd hand in the sun or some excuse for a news paper. :D

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I don't care much for what you say! You can't have a decent debate about this issue so you are now trying to manipulate what I have said! Can't even be bothered with it anymore - don't waste my time, if you can't ahve a decent conversation without reverting to personal attacks!

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You don't know what you are on about mate. You are the one that doesn't know what they are talking about same with Cashman. I am glad I took LSD it was a positive experience. It is the fools down the pub who when drunk buy drugs and take them while drunk for a laugh - and then have a nightmare experience which is caused by the alcohol.

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:dummy2: Go suck a dummy :D

ha ha ha! You are being childish! Several posts back you called me a plonker don't waste my time. So the LSD was made in a uni, what does that mean? Was it some student doing it when the teacher wasn't looking ;) Most LSD in this country was made in Holland in the 70's.

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In what respect exactly ? Could you be more precise with your arguments ? You really aren't doing your cause any good at all from your last few entries.

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Kestralex,
Just to answer a few points:
1: Just because I have not taken any Class A drugs, or any illegal drugs, does not exclude me from having any knowledge on the subject.
I studied Psychology a long time ago and we looked at all manner of mind altering substances back then. Not just LSD.
For your information I do not and have never read the Red Top newspapers, I used to read the Times, until it went to the new improved size...

2. The whole point of a debate is to listen to the other sides arguments, however you have attacked anyone who questions your point of view, sometimes aggressively. I have not tried to manipulate anything you have said...

3:If reading and responding to the other side of this argument, I suggest you should not have started it in the first place. I have not resorted to a personal attack, it is pointless and counter-productive.

Have you not realised, you are starting to look a bit foolish. I suggest you stop now before you say something you regret.

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I don't give a sh 1 t whether is cut with or without anything, anybody who puts these drugs in their bodies just for kicks is a sandwich short of a picnic, end of story:(

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Its no use using smiles, the issues with these illegal drugs don't appear exclusively in the red tops, the devastation caused is often reported on all news channels and have been featured on such documentary programs Panorama, Dispatches :mad:

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Alcohol is a drug, and everynight people pile into pubs and fill their body full of alcohol for kicks. So are you saying they are all "a sandwich short of a picnic?" I'm not concerned about what it says on the news as most of it is sensionalism to create a response in the people that "believe what ever they are told by the TV!"

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I I'm going to take notice of a self confessed class A drug taker:(

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This issue started when Cashman called me a plonker! That is a verbal attack because I contradicted what he said. Which was that LSD can kill you first time you take it. It is a scientific fact that LSD if it's not cut with impurities can't kill you. However it can cause mental problems and in a very few occasions someone has jumped on it. Cashman is basically saying that I am talking rubbish! He then called me a Plonker then Dave in Germany and Boeing Guy took Cashman's side and then tried to twist everything that i'd said out of context.

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So how does the fact I took LSD, 30 years ago damage my ability to comment on this issue? What does that have to do with anything? Proves you know little about the subject. That your judgements are based on misunderstandings about the subject. Peace and Love folks! :rolleyes:

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Let's break it down shall we ? What he said was :-

what a load of balls LSD has always been very dodgy, ya only need 1 bad trip n can screw yer fer life as i have witnessed, can also cause ya to think ya can fly, ending in death,

He is simply expressing a view & speaking from an experience. As to the plonker comment, that is no different from my saying you're foolish only not so subtly expressed.

then Dave in Germany (I am that Dave) and Boeing Guy took Cashman's side and then tried to twist everything that i'd said out of context.

There was no twisting, the comments are yours ! You yourself made them, I simply copied & highlighted them. To accentuate their foolishness.

It's not a matter of taking sides it's about us as individuals expressing our views/opinions about (illegal) Drugs & Drug users. Isn't that what forums are about ? An exchange of views & opinions ? Often people will be of differing opinions & that friend is a fact of life. Doesn't mean to say I or others wouldn't agree with you on a different topic, that is what makes us what we are, individuals with opinions.

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The only information I need to know about any substance that is illegal, is leave well alone, its illegal for a reason

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this is what ya said, which is balls, yer saying mental issues wi it can't cause death, yer also saying there was no manufacturer of it in the 60s, so as well as being a plonker yeh tell lies, unless of course yer rambling cos yer still on drugs? but dont worry i won't report ya.:dummy2:

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Being such a good hearted soul Kestrelx, i have decided to tell ya why i say yer a plonker, you were born in 1960, so in the 60s yeh were a child, completely unaware or involved in what was goin on, so to state that there was no manufacturer then unless it was some house in accy, makes a plonker to me,that is not verbal abuse, its what ya are. hope that explains it.:D

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may i say that your thread is expertly put and it doesnt just suggest... it gives all off us an indepth explanation that leaves the reader in no doubt off the dangers, Articulate !!!!

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dave this reminds me off another thread, haha, .... but again you cant argue with the facts, im into this already :-)

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Ya have a way with words cashy:D

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Ha ha ha! I said that the chemical itself can't cause death! By this I mean if someone eats rat poison? That will kill them or it least cause them serious physical pain. What is causing the pain is the chemical of rat poison! But if someone eats LSD the chemical itself will not kill you. What might kill you is the effect of an halucination that makes you jump off a building or may cause you to have some kind of mental breakdown, by making you think awful things.

Also I did not say there was no manufacturing of LSD in the 60's - I said that there was more than one manufacture of LSD in the 60's!

You should have gone to spec savers Cashman! :cool:

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I never said what you are claiming, seems you've misread - misunderstood what I said Cashman! :( :rolleyes:

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Just looked on Wikipedia and it backs what I say that LSD can't kill you - that you need a massive amount to physically OD on it...

Estimates for the median lethal dose (LD50) of LSD range from 200 µg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg of human body mass, though most sources report that there are no known human cases of such an overdose. Other sources note one report of a suspected fatal overdose of LSD occurring in November 1975 in Kentucky in which there were indications that ~1/3 of a gram (320 mg or 320,000 µg) had been injected intravenously. (This is a very extraordiEstimates for the median lethal dose (LD50) of LSD range from 200 µg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg of human body mass, though most sources report that there are no known human cases of such an overdose. Other sources note one report of a suspected fatal overdose of LSD occurring in November 1975 in Kentucky in which there were indications that ~1/3 of a gram (320 mg or 320,000 µg) had been injected intravenously. (This is a very extraordinary amount, equivalent to over 3,000 times the average LSD dosage of ~100 µg).[17][18] Experiments with LSD have also been done on animals; in 1962, an elephant named Tusko died shortly after being injected with 297 mg, but whether the LSD was the cause of his death is controversial (due, in part, to a plethora of other chemical substances administered simultaneously).nary amount, equivalent to over 3,000 times the average LSD dosage of ~100 µg).[17][18] Experiments with LSD have also been done on animals; in 1962, an elephant named Tusko died shortly after being injected with 297 mg, but whether the LSD was the cause of his death is controversial (due, in part, to a plethora of other chemical substances administered simultaneously).

Lysergic acid diethylamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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you should learn to tell the TRUTH, have just highlighted where ya said it. or to give ya benefit of the doubt, yer not a liar, so i'll stick wi plonker.:D

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And how much did you contribute to that kestrelx:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by kestrelx View Post
Your wrong I have taken LSD and it can't physically kill you unless cut with other chemicals - but in the 60's LSD was so strong it would put you on another planet. So it can be made to varying strengths. So I am talking from experience . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See you have NO experience at all of the state of play in the 60s, dont dispute you have taken it, probably in the "Punk Days" you have n uncanny knack of making yerself look dumb.:rolleyes:

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Just an example cashy of why drugs shouldn't be legalised:rolleyes:

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Ok Kx, lets give you the fact that LSD won't kill you in itself, but you have no control over it's effects & they CAN KILL YOU ! Various governments have considered it in a military aspect, the fact that those ideas were "Canned" (really?) tells you something about the dubiousness of the Drug & its uses.

Look up "Porten Down UK" or "MK Ultra USA LSD/BZ Gas" especially footage of the British troops, not an ideal advert for legalizing such things really.

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Your talking rot mate! You know your wrong so your basically reverting to name calling! I repeat: LSD can't kill you in a normal dose - get your facts right. You may say to this: "it can if you take enough!" But the same can be said of water - drink enough water and that can kill you to.

So why do you have to rely in personal insults:confused::rolleyes:

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What difference does it make when I took it? That's not the issue - I know people who took a lot of LSD in the 60's. Also I have stated that LSD was not as strong in the 80's as it was in the 60's!

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No but we can still see the effects:D

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Now you are talking out of your armpits! There is nothing I've said on here that is dodgy - until Cashman started calling me a Plonker!

Cashmen stated that LSD in a normal dose can kill you! Which is not correct. LSD used at Porton Down was obviously massive doses used to get maximum effects for use in warfare. I wish you'd get your facts right! and stop wasting my time.

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Tolerance for LSD is short-lived it is lost if the user stops taking the drug for several days. There is no evidence that LSD produces physical withdrawal symptoms when chronic use is stopped.

Two long-term effects persistent psychosis and hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD), more commonly referred to as "flashbacks," have been associated with use of LSD. The causes of these effects, which in some users occur after a single experience with the drug, are not known.

Psychosis

The effects of LSD can be described as drug-induced psychosis-distortion or disorganization of a person's capacity to recognize reality, think rationally, or communicate with others. Some LSD users experience devastating psychological effects that persist after the trip has ended, producing a long-lasting psychotic-like state. LSD-induced persistent psychosis may include dramatic mood swings from mania to profound depression, vivid visual disturbances, and hallucinations. These effects may last for years and can affect people who have no history or other symptoms of psychological disorder.

Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder

Some former LSD users report experiences known colloquially as "flashbacks" and called "HPPD" by physicians. These episodes are spontaneous, repeated, sometimes continuous recurrences of some of the sensory distortions originally produced by LSD.

The experience may include hallucinations, but it most commonly consists of visual disturbances such as seeing false motion on the edges of the field of vision, bright or colored flashes, and halos or trails attached to moving objects. This condition is typically persistent and in some cases remains unchanged for years after individuals have stopped using the drug.

Any of this ring any bells Kx ? One minute you're raging on about something or other, the next your bleating on about people picking on you, then you're all pally, pretty much what the above says. For more details see the link below :-

Effects of LSD - What Are the Effects of LSD?

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I see the usual few are bullying again.:D

Dont worry Kes this is how some are on here.

I feel you lot dont really understand Todays drug culture. If LSD is your concern.

LSD is pretty harmless as a addictive drug, not that common and not a use daily type. I agree that you could end up dead, but you could end up dead going to the shop, or having a night out on the booze.

Smack, Crack, Met, Rock are the drugs that are BAD for not only the user but also the community, these are the ones that should be locked down, harsher penatlies for possession, dealing Ect. These are the addictive drugs that ruin lives.

LSD, Coke, Speed, Weed IMO are all harmless compaired to the above list. These should be looked at and laws revamped.

As I have alwawys stated I do not agree with Legalising any drugs, I would prefair Decriminlisation (Sensible).

In fact thinking on I could walk into a few shops in accrington and buy LEGAL HIGHS. that would be more harmfull that smoking a joint.
EXPLAIN that one.

Keeping recrational use drugs 100% Illegal has open a flood gate for new legal drugs (NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMTION) to be sold.

There is no easy sollution but it needs to be reviewed.

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We can all copy paste.

Do you have a drinking problem?



You may have a drinking problem if you...

• Feel guilty or ashamed about your drinking.
• Lie to others or hide your drinking habits.
• Have friends or family members who are worried about your drinking.
• Need to drink in order to relax or feel better.
• “Black out” or forget what you did while you were drinking.
• Regularly drink more than you intended to.

Alcoholism and Alcohol Abuse: Signs, Symptoms, and Help for Drinking Problems

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plonker n dumb are not personal insults, but you seem to take em as such, there just a comment of yer opinion on this subject, but as ya keep bleating they are, it leaves me wi the thought that yer a tart,who takes offence at everything that don't suit, i have been called much worse on here, but don't bleat about it, so report tart if it makes ya happy.:dummy2:

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Yes Mr.D we can, but if you read through KX's comments & see for yourself there appears to be these mood swings & differing attitudes that was the reasoning behind posting the extract.

As to the comments about bullying can you justify those please ? As far as I can see the comments I have made are (from my point of view) balanced & fair I haven't been derogatory or abusive that I can see, perhaps a reread of all posts & a reassessment of their contexts, might be advisable ?

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Give over, KX's Mood swings. Thats Funny. LSD Flashback (As per you wikipidea Paste?), Thats Also funny.:D

Read through the thred and see how some people just join in the argument to back up there Karma Buddies.:D (Did I imply you was a bully) Happen reading my post again is advisable.:D

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Yes mood swings, this is displayed in the "tone" of his entries. As to the excerpt it is the following :- About.com Health's Disease and Condition content is reviewed by the Medical Review Board. I try where possible not to use Wikipedia for source information as so much is speculative.

And the charge of bullying ? You aren't specific in your accusations so I feel as though by association this is also levelled at myself. Due to the fact my comments aren't exactly agreeing with KX's points of view, he even feels this himself as he so clearly comments in I believe, post #123.

Still the main thrust of the thread is about illegal drugs in general & not specifically LSD, it is just one of the usual divergences that so often happens in these threads that we appear to be focusing on LSD.

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Maybe, and this is a strange idea, just maybe, the majority of people living in the UK are against the legalisation of drugs????

I have not, once said or written anything derogatory about KX but he saw fit to have a go at me. Mr D I suggest you reread all the thread.

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This is not about personal attacks, but a debate about the legalisation of drugs. Just because there are those of us who have opposing reasons to KX and it seems yourself Mr D, does not mean you are right and we are wrong, or for that matter visa versa.
If you put something as explosive as this on the web for people to discuss that's what you will get. The vast majority of posts have been rational and sane, KX however has contradicted himself several times. This is just like the conspiracy theory posts on here, if you disagree with the 'evidence' you are in the wrong.....If you cannot stand the heat.....

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I didnt know you could get a tone from a written post, Its all how the reader perceives it (IMO).

Why must I Re Read all the thred?

Just maybe the majority of People living in the UK are up for Decriminlisation of certain Illegal drugs????????

I dont agree with Legalisation. Re Read my posts maybe?:p:D

I just have my own opinion and write it how I think, not just to fit in. (before anyone starts Im not saying others dont do the same).

I see my Bullying Comment has a few of you worried, I didnt mention no names.:D

I dont see many Conspiracy Posts on here anymore where they not banned? (Advised to post on David Ike & The Likes).

Notice in some of my post the lovely use of.:D;)

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Notice in some of my post the lovely use of:rolleyes::D
Ya I use um too but it don't stop me telling the truth:D

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the trouble with making any drug available in my humble opinion is this, once you try 1 you want to try another as your bored with that one or you need one to make you normal or sane??, a bit like alcohol when your full of guiness or bitter or mild or lager. you move to the top shelf to slow down or your bored with same taste ... now these days we have a problem with far to many youngsters drinking huge amounts of high percentage alcohol.. what happens when there fed up of 4 or 5 % drinks, they move onto 40% vodka and jack daniels.. then just when you were having a nice quiet drink with the wife or having a drink with the lads, uproar and next minute your ducking classes, and then next minute your friends been glassed and more... so if drugs were legalised we would then have drugs mixed with alcohol, and what will happen then?????

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p.s. in my day my Dad drank mild as stones bitter changed him, these days it looks like people drink to purposely change, imho..

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The difference between Drugs and Booze or as you put it moving onto something stronger is that if you start on say pot or ecstasy and you want to move to something stronger you end up on Cocaine or Heroine from where there is no road back but addiction, with strong booze you do have a chance, not every body becomes an alcoholic, in fact very few in comparison to drugs

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When I started out drinking my first pint was mixed since when I moved through the full gamut, bitter, mild, lager, strong beers real ale guinness Murphy's, you name it I've drunk it, but was never dependant on it and never missed work through it either, I don't drink at all these days, except a bottle of wine at weekends, I do have a case of larger in but I've probably had the odd can, I'm just not a home boozer

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Absolute rubbish, someone who say smokes pot will not all of a sudden wish to start taking Coke or Smack.

The truth is Coke, Estacy are more likely to be taken by drinkers, bought in nightclubs & Pubs and taken when going out on the town.:rolleyes:

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I'm a drinker I worked in nightcluds for years, I was never tempted;)

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How long ago was that though, was E, Coke as available as it is now.

Im talking about the situation as it is now.

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Still wouldn't have made a difference when it was, I had the brains enough to leave drugs of any type well alone

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I wasnt sayin YOU would. I was refereing to the current status of play.

Dont you take strong medication.;)

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Thats under medical supervision, which without I wouldn't be alive and actually a bit crass bringing it up:mad:

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Not at all.

You said that you dont take drugs of "ANY TYPE" when clearly you do.

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in your opinion you say it doesnt lead a pot smoker to try other drugs, well accy must be the only exception, ive seen it first hand... then you compare presciption drugs being taken when some drink?? most perscription drugs have been tested in labs- and we know the long term effects off most, and you take most perscription drugs for a completely diff- reason than you take illegal ones!!
if alcohol was brought out today it would either carry a AAA rating or be banned? due to the severe consequences of drink and SOME, users actions from the drug.... we could sit and type all day re this subject and we would never know the answer in full untill the goverment did a legal trial onit( they never would) so im just being hypothetical... in your opinion you say thats absolute rubbish, what do you base your findings on? to state your opinion?:-)

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yes not all drug users become addicted i presume? just like all drinkers dont become alkys, but some do, and like with drugs it ruins families lifes for ever, you can get better from anything(virtually) but its all the suffering to others thats the problem... drunks dont burgall houses when they cant stand up, and many still get up for their work and jobs around the home... plus do you not agree that an addicted drug user would cause more serious harm to the community than drinkers, ie go out and steal from the vunerable/or charities? compared to a raging drunk who may well want to fight the world after one to many, and most of these types are controlled by local doormen, or the police as they can see it developing??? and take immd- action.?? ill except this rather than some hardened drug user roaming through my house stealing my personal and sentimental value items, and waiting for the police to call round to see and discuss the incident, it takes them hours/days as there are so many to deal with??

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he meant he didnt take illegal drugs and you know that and furthermore to throw a personal comment or knowledge(sometimes discussed as a secret or friend) is a disgrace i dont know jaysay i assume you may well do????
i think you should rethink and do what men do as regard you letting the WHOLE world know that one person is on perscription LEGAL drugs..

furthermore my son used to smoke a bit of weed guess what he now doesnt smoke it for the following reasons.
1, he put 3 stone on
2, he tried another drug
3, he couldnt get out of bed for his graft as the drug had serious after
effects
4, his house resembled a skip yard as he couldnt get motivated due to depression and more

he now drinks instead and guess what??? hes normal again.

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Why must Accy be the only Exeption? I to have seen things first hand.

Of corse you take perscription drugs for other reasons but they can be WORSE than Illegal drugs.

I base my finding on my own personal experiances and what I have seen myself.

Also to Reinstate, I still condone Legalising drugs. I dont want the to be legalised.

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Most drug users dont steal, believe it or not over 50% probably work.

This is where the problem lies, class A and Class C drugs are so different, its like larger & absynth!.

The drunks are the ones who smash the father of 3s face in, smash cars wingmirrors of, Drink Driving Ect. Drink is not all good and yet is accepted.

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All info I know is from a Public Forum. He also stated it earlier in the thred.

A good friend of mine started drinking when he lost his house.

1. He is now drinking over 8 cans of strong larger a day (Minimum)
2. He has lost a lot of his old friends (Me Included)
3. He has had 3 spells in prison due to drink related incidents.
4. He has lost his partner (Also had child with)

He used to smoke weed and was Normal then.

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so in summary best to ban all drugs untill the taker can handle it?? and mr d i think you upset mr jaysay hence his uni- question, mr jaysay worked the doors( thank god we have people like him who put his hand up so all other sensible people could be saved from any random attack on any off us)..plus 2 off my friends worked the doors and they hated it as you lose friends as you have to take action even when your mate as thumped someone or even abused the doorman friend??? now my doorman friends say these days the attacks are more vicious due to drink being taken with hard drugs!!! so examples of wrong doing all round, hence these days why most doormen/doorwomen are from out off town, yes now we have doorwomen due to alcohol and drug use amongst ladies ..

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totally diff- comparisons here and not like for like imho.. metal mirror say 30 to 100 pound(wont be long before you cant snap then off, bashed face heals in time, the drink driving is a personal choice and one i accept ruins families, how do you replace all your families looms, camcorder memories, war medals, folks life savings, the fear you suffer when you go to bed, just in case they come back, and lots lots more im sure the forum folk will add to my small list?

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I would say a full review is in order yes.

Im sure Mr Jaysay must have had plenty worse stick when he was a doorman.

I to know friends who are doorman, X-doormen (Before SIA).

Some used to work the doors at the funnies so had the more hardcore clientel to deal with, I have heard many stories, I couldnt be a doorman.

Thing is I can walk 5 mins from Town Centre and buy Legal "Highs" that are probably far worse that the illegal ones (to the user). Yet this is allowed to carry on.

Salva Divorium, x30 strenth perfectly legal, this IMO is worse than Cannabis.

This is why I opt for Decrimanalisation for a few Illegal drugs as the Illegality is not preventing the use but if it was decrimed at least the user could check what they where taking and at least possibably reduce the risk of taking something bad.

The hardcore Drugs - laws should be toughened and more thought into reabilitation / rehab being provided. Just Prison doesnt work as its easy to get stuff in there.

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I was referring (an example) to strenths not cost.

Abusted face heals in time, not when you suffer brain damage due to severity of the kicking because of the Alchol (+ Poss Hard Drugs), (Then in Court "He is such a nice lad it was the drink, he has never done anything like that before")

I agree class A - Smack, Crack, Rock Ect are very, very bad and laws should be tightened, these are the type of user that will steal the most to feed a habit.

Some people steal just for money and have No interest in drugs.

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i do agree on some of this as most ministers make decisions on guessing/assuming what the solution is, rather than do the proper research and making changes based on fact rather then opinion or political correctness.. but this is done on most problem areas in society

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Prats like you deserve everything you get:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger

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Im the prat.:dummy2:

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I have just been reading through what has been posted in last few days about me and this subject and I can't believe what has been said about me!

Let's go back to the start = this post by Cashman! The root of the problem is what Cashman stated in his response to my post. Cashman says that LSD can turn you into a cabbage 1st trip! My argument is that LSD in a reasonable dose can't turn you into a cabbage! This is the root of the argument! So please Dave in Germany don't tell me that I have been haveing "Mood swings" about this issue! It is Cashman who has been using "abusive language" and calling me a "plonker" and so on! Then Dave in Germany and Boeing guy took Cashman's side and started verbally attacking me over the issue! Because they can't stand that fact that his statement is not fact and he is not talking sense! I am not promoting LSD - what I am doing is trying to state the facts about issues: 1) LSD is not addictive. 2) Nor can it kill you.

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but it can n i have have seen the proof, the fact you doubt this is why i called yeh a plonker, theres quite a few on here have known me since the 60s n are well aware i do not tell lies, i will say nowt else on this subject cos yeh aint worth the effort.:rolleyes:

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You know what I think Cashman, back in the 60's you took some LSD and had a bad time and this is why you are calling me a plonker and dumb and a Tart etc. Because you had a bad time on LSD and you can 't stand that fact that someone is talking sense about the issue. You have to personally insult me. :cool:

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Looks like this lot are having a pretty good time on whatever drug they were given.. I persume it's the old LSD..the bloke climbing a tree to "feed the birds" is class.. but I don't fancy them fighting a war for us :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWn...ayer_embedded#!

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I can't be bothered with the ongoing LSD argument but you interest me with the above bit.

What would be the point in the decriminalisation of any drug. If it was decided 10 or 20 years ago they were bad why ignore them now just because worse ones have come along.

I guess we are too soft on those we catch with them. Maybe if those caught with even a small amount received a massive penalty by the courts (I know it is never going to happen) then it would deter taking drugs which in turn would help with all the other problems with drug taking.

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What your proposing would just lead to more people wanting to try drugs and there would be more black-market "dangerous" cut drugs on the underground - more deaths and more crime. Surely the way forward is to be more open about drug use. Also it's a fact more people are made junkies in Prison that outside - this is a fact. Heroine is available in prisons and many people become heroine addicts in prison!

YouTube - MAD HIPPY EATS 25 ACID TABS LIVE ON CAMERA

I came across this video and I wonder if perhaps it's Cashman:D

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I just realised that Cashman is responsible for knocking my Karma down from 28 to zero - now that is very childish mate - not queensby rules -dis- honourable and so on!

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Generous to a fault is our cashy:D

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KX, you really aren't getting this are you ? Certain things have been said due to comments you yourself have made. You need to re-read particular posts, some made by You, Cashy, BG & Me & I mean read properly what exactly was said, then just maybe you'll see where the issues stem from. Until you can see clearly what has caused the last X pages to go in the direction they have, we'll never get any further on !

Start at Page 5 #94(Yours) #98(Cashy) Page 6 #102(Yours) #104(Cashy) #105(Mine) #106,107(Yours) #108(Cashy9 #109,110(BG) #112(Mine) then your marathon #113-116(Yours) #118(BG) Page 7 #123(Yours) #125(Mine) here I did try to explain how things got to the level they did but you wouldn't take it in. So here we are page 10 #188 :confused:

May be a bit much to take in at once, but we've got time, so use it, read through & see if you find enlightenment.

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Cheers Mr D :) it is bullying - Cashman started calling me a plonker because I disputed his claim about LSD or Acid! I don't think it is used much these days is it? As I don't take any of these type of drugs these days I wouldn't know if it's available on the street anymore?

Any drug in abnormally high dose can kill you. But LSD in normal dose will not nor is it addictive. It can be psychologically addictive, if you have good trips on it. But not so if you don't - as you won't want to take it again.

Agreed! Because these are drugs that are highly addictive and are basically run by criminals - to create more crime in the lives of addicts and victims of addicts!

I reckon that decriminilisation is the safest way to deal with drug abuse. Because it's the criminal gangs that are making money out of selling crack, metamphetimine, rocks etc etc - which are the drugs people need and commit crime to get the drugs! Not LSD!

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I have just looked at page 5 and page 6 and my posts don't say anything untoward!

The problem is when Cashman called me a Plonker and I complained then yourself and Boeing Guy started backing up Cashman! The crux of this argument is that Cashman said that LSD can kill on a normal dose - which is not right. Any drug can kill you in a too high dose. So then because he couldn't take the fact he wasn't right he then started giving me bad karma and so on - which is basically intimidation because he can't take someone else's point of view. This is the issue.

Alcohol is more dangerous than LSD in a normal dose. The problems come with a lot of these drugs when kids take them without knowing the full consequences etc. I am not purporting anyone taking LSD. What I am doing is getting the facts right in an adult manner - it's Cashman that is being childish.

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I would regualte the decrimialisation, As in you can have a certain (low) amount on your person and not get done for it, you could have a larger stash at home and again not get done for it.

My first drug for this would be Cannabis. (As say a Trial).

This would free up some time for the police who have to waste time for minor possession (can take hours for the paperwork).

Then I would crack down more on the hard drugs, harsher penatlies inc more concentration on rehabilitation.

I cant say it would work and it would need at lot more thought than above, but the current system doesnt work, and Decrim IMO is the half way point of both arguments.

Dont worry Kes Again its a way of trying to wind you up, some seem to think that if you have 1000+ Karma then it makes you a better person.
Even though its the certain "Click" just spreading it among themselves all the time. (In other words Its Pointless).:D

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For the last time, here is Cashys statement (Page 5 #98) in its entirety !

what a load of balls LSD hasalways been very dodgy, ya only need 1 bad trip n can screw yer fer life as i have witnessed, can also cause ya to think ya can fly, ending in death, n the LSD i'm talking about was manufactured under scientific means microdot tablets cut wi nowt. everyones aware much is cut wi other crap, dunno what you been reading, but its as bad as the Sun.:rolleyes::mad: plonker.

So Where exactly ! Does it say as you put it Cashman said that LSD can kill on a normal dose, bearing in mind this is the disputed statement that has brought us to the repetitive here & now !

The pertinent points in this paragraph are:- "Always been very Dodgy" "Only need 1 bad trip n can screw yer fer life" & finally "Can also cause ya to think ya can fly, ending in Death" So Again where exactly does he state LSD all by itself on a normal dose can kill you ??? As I've said before, read properly & you'll be enlightened ! You know I sometimes think I'm banging my head against a brick wall

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Its Quite clear to me. All you are trying to do is find an alternative solution to an out of control Pandemic drug problem... You have been a member since 06 so your not a newcomer.?.. i will now wait and see what comments come back, re: "The click" word??

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Is that not why they use runners to carry the small amounts from home to place of sale to get around that?

IMHO there is no need for it to be legal. Stopping booze would not be a problem for me but it is far too easy to make at home so would never work.

Wow, you should all read this stuff while your high, what a trip!

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Just for reference about the pages : I state page 5 as I have my settings on 20 posts per side but regardless, the post number is correct. So there may be a page variance either side depending on your format.

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Whatever are you on? The post number no matter how many to a page, is the post number.:D

Oh, look this is post #197

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Must be all this talk about Drugs making me go all fuzzy round the edges :eek:Aye I'll give you that Less :) Not a well thought through example :o

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Have you bee taking something tonight mate, that was post 196 :rolleyes::D

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Was watching a program last night called The History of Rock and Roll, there was a guy from the Grateful Dead came out with a very good moment, think we succeeded in the sixties in getting the message across make love not war, but we certainly failed with drugs when you think we lost some great talent in the likes of Jimi Hendrix Janis Joplin Jim Morrison, Kieth Moon and Brian Jones, there was something fundamentally wrong with the thinking in those days on drugs

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I'll explain s l o w l y for you Neil,

I was only on a little high, approximately one higher than normal.
:rolleyes: