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Is that DRIBBLE or DRIVEL?:rolleyes:
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I don't think it's insane to legalise cannabis and control it's distribution! Currently it is in the hands of criminal gangs and those gangs are making vast profits out of it. Surely it's better to legalise it and that would take it out of the hands of gangs. It's not just me who thinks this but the organisation "Clear". Recent research has shown that cannabis has powerful medicinal properties. Inside The Marijuana Culture (1 of 2) - YouTube You believe all the bad propoganda about it! Can you live without Tea? Coffee? Or Sugar? |
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This thread is going round in circles! There are lots of previous answers to this question! |
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One thought I've been having lately is:- If kestrelx has a downer about people using alcohol, why is his user name also the name of probably the worst lager in the world? :) |
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Let me spell it out for you, in small easy to understand words.
You have posted in this thread that 500 people die each year from Paracetamol and 30 from illegal drug use. This was written with the intention of proving illegal drugs are safer than over the counter medicine. However when you look into this, the figures you quote are wrong. For paracetamol there is one death in every 120,000 people who use it For illegal drugs one per 66,000 people who use, almost a ratio of two to one. So your stupid and crass postings have no basis. Better? Oh and one more thing...you were so fed up and sick of us, you were going to leave, another empty promise? |
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I won't hold my breath |
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Your wrong! However 9,000 people per year die from alcohol in the UK - as was featured on the program shown "Britains Hidden Alchoholics!" with Alastair Campbell (an ex-alcoholic) this week... BBC News - Panorama - Alastair Campbell on drink: 'I paid a heavy price' |
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It said Alcohol related illness, i watched it as well.:rolleyes:
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Now why oh why will you not accept that simple fact. Simply throwing more numbers into the mix only goes to show your ignorance |
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Hes only doin it to try n justify his nonsense B.G.:rolleyes:
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The issue is here what I said in the first place is that 500 people die from Paracetomol and only 30 from Exstasy per annum in the UK - that said a lot of it is not actually Exstasy so again the figures are lower! |
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If cannabis was legalised then it would be illegal for people under 18 to have it and also it would still be an offence to sell it to people under 18! Another issue is that Skunk is about 20% stronger than naturally grown cannabis! So these kids are taking that strenght of drug - grown by gangs in this country - who often use slave labour to grow it! Surely if we legalised cannabis than these gangs would be put out of business and also SKUNK would not be taken by kids! Because it's skunk that can cause more harm to peoples mental health! |
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No you really dont understand do you, there are 60 million people in the uk, the vast majority have paracetamol in their medicine cupboard.
There may be a few thousand take esctasy. Now if you think really really hard you will realise that just a number, without reference to population is bunk. Unless of course you fried your brain years ago |
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However both age groups still find it readily available right now, so how would you police it so that only under 18's are prosecuted? |
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Would you like to see that 'recreational' drug taken 'out of the hands of gangs', and made legal, and freely available for all to use? |
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Some members have difficulties. Short-term memory loss being one of their minor problems. |
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I think kestrelx is losing the argument and should stop now.
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He should try and muster a little self-discipline. Just say No. |
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We know that Cannabis has some powerful qualities that mean it is of use to sufferers of the pain caused by MS and arthritis....that is why the drug Sativex(there are otherdrug company names too) was brought out - to help these people.
It does not alter the fact that it is illegal to use it unless it has been prescibed for such use. No-one has died from using Cannabis(or that is what you tell us)...but plenty have gone on to use other illegal substance and have died from their use.....and there are those who haven't died from cannabis use, but sometimes wish they had(when in the grip of mental illness). Illegal drugs are lumped together because they are illegal, not because they are all the same in effects. As Anne has said this debate has gone around in circles, you are not going to be convinced that your argument is flawed....and there are many of us who are not convinced that your (or anyone else's ) argument for legalisation is anything, other than justification for your own use in the future. My input ends here. |
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I think that is a rubbish argument. How many of those who died from paracetamol overdoses used them to commit suicide? I doubt anyone chooses ecstasy as the drug of choice for suicide. |
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Well said Neil, however there is one thing bothering me, where did Kestralex get his numbers from?
I had a search, I could not find any real credible figgures for ecstacy deaths. |
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Surely? :rolleyes: |
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Several years ago I was on 8 distalgesics a day.(free) They removed them from the prescribed list after they were used by Dr Kelly to suicide (allegedly).:rolleyes: They were replaced by a codiene/paracetemol combination (free) When I got addicted to codiene and told doc I wanted paracetemol only he supplied it free without question. I eventually stopped using that too. Whatever I was on, I got a months supply at a time to accommodate the max daily dose. |
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Hardluck Asthma: 1800-1985: Asthma Cigarettes As far as me losing the argument is concerned; all I hear from you lot is personal attacks and not a jott of decent evidence apart from "knee jerk" reactions! :D |
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They didn't? Come on, kestrelx, start a campaign, I'm sure you'll get lots of backers. |
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As for personal attacks. Since no one know's you from Adam, and the only information that's known about you, are things you've chosen to have made public, any 'attacks' are carried out with the rod you've made for your own spineless back. |
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Playing the victim. Since you were stupid enough to publicly post threats of Actual Bodily Harm, against members of this forum. |
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The thing is that you have a fixed set of beliefs on this subject, whilst others have opposing views - neither side are likely to be swayed. |
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The attacks against me have been that my brain is addled by drugs and therefore my argument is not valid. I have told you that not everyone who tries drugs becomes an addict - something you refuse to accept. |
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Or should be. You've publicly stated you've taken heroin 'recreationally'. Should it be legalised, for everyone to take recreationally? |
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No? Too difficult a question to answer? |
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I've just done a search and it appears the Monkee's were involved in the drugs scene of the 60's in LA! i.e LSD - cannabis - cocaine!
How Does it Feel to Be One of the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE? |
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What makes heroin different from other drugs, that you, and other people take for their own pleasure? What currently illegal drugs should be decriminalised, and made readily available to all, for 'recreational' use? You haven't made your stance very clear. You've mentioned some of the illegal drugs you've taken recreationally. Which should, and which shouldn't be freely available for all? Perhaps you'd better make a list. To make yourself properly understood. |
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More people a year die from alcohol & tobacco than all other drugs combined. |
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Supposed to be edited out. Wrote more - but couldn't be bothered elaborating on it.
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I'm sure the server will be okay with an extra sentence added to a post.
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The biggest reason not to take illegal drugs recreationally, is that you might end up with the same sort of imbecilic brain, as those pro-drug users, that we've had posting in this thread. |
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Tired? Listless? Have trouble mustering the energy to do things? Apathy? Trouble concentrating on things, for more than a few seconds? Just say 'No!' ;) |
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See more personal attacks and as ever you are missing points I have made over and over again which you seem to miss. That not everybody gets addicted to heroin after a few times as I have proved! Some drugs are like going on holiday, it's the same principle. People take a holiday for a break. Likewise drugs can give you a change for an evening that refresh you and help you get on with life! Just as going on holiday may present challenges and dangers for some but not all! All drugs have different uses. :) |
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Perhaps you might like to try and answer these questions, regarding what currently illegal drugs should, and shouldn't be made freely available to all. Quote:
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Why have you got "Bear Baiting" in your profile - is that another word for "winding people up on purpose!" or being a Troll! Anyone see "Our man in Ibiza..." last night on Channel 4... Our Man in... - 4oD - Channel 4 A new "illegal drug" called the Pink Pill which no one knew what it was and it killed a girl and caused others to lose memory for days on end - this is what happens because of making drugs illegal! Criminals can mix any concoction and sell it to people etc |
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Is that why you keep forgetting to answer the questions, just as soon as you've read them? Why shouldn't heroin, which you took recreationally, be legalised 'at the moment'? What makes it different? Could you list all the currently illegal drugs, that you'd like to see decriminalised, and freely available to all? I know it's a problem, the short term memory loss. But I will try to help. By keep asking the questions. Until you manage to answer them. |
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You are not being logical with your argument.
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Ancient arts that risk being lost in the mists of time, rather like falconry. Training a kestrel - YouTube Wonder what they put in the lttle morsels to keep it coming back for more?:rolleyes: Seems to be eating out of his hand...:D |
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I lost interest after the bird flew to and fro a couple of times.
Wonder if those guys traded their pitbull in for the falcon...!! Glad I don't live on that estate - wouldn't fancy cleaning falcon poo off my conservatory windows...!! |
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Also falconry is nothing like bear baiting two totally different things! Just like all drugs are totally different things, have different purposes and different effects! :rolleyes: |
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So lets get this straight heroin does'nt damage the body but can mentally cause harm. I might be missing something here but the last time i looked at some kind of medical book mental harm meant the brain which in my case,don't know about you is attached to my body via my head and neck, i find it gets the best from it keeping it there, maybe yours is in a jar at the side of the bed i don't know:rolleyes::rolleyes: |
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If anybody from the powers that be, read this thread the pro drug lobby are doing a good job of putting a case for not legalising drugs. The posts they have put forward say everything about what sort of condition you end up in once you have used the said drugs.
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I'm sure that those who have read my post have understood that it was made with irony, with the modern interpretation of "bear baiting" in mind -ie the tormenting of a victim, with words Times change, Heny VIII found that sport highly entertaining as did most of his subjects. His friend, Robert, Earl of Dudley, is quoted as recounting how entertaining it was to see an Ass with an Ape tied to it's back fighting...and other such encounters in the pit. The bloodsport of bear baiting was commonplace on this Isle until 1848, until the first Parliamentary Act against animal cruelty. I would not like to witness it personally. Whether it is "right" or not, some people will always throw themselves at the mercy of others, verbally. Their "look out". No one forces them to do it. Is it better to torture animals in the name of sport or consider acceptable that the new generation of human beings be subjected to drugs as a norm? |
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Garinda is a twite in my book! You support him if you want - and you are supporting a troll who is "up himself!" you wanna go up there as well feel free! Tobbaco is a drug it is legal and more addictive than heroin this is a fact! Alcohol is a drug and more damaging than other drugs that are illegal. An individual should be able to take drugs it is their body and their decision! End of! :cool: Unfortunately the Government don't think so and in doing so allow criminals to sell other substances that are not what an individual may require thus putting that persons health at risk! This argument can not be won so I put this argument to an end! |
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Alcohol and tobbacco are indeed legal as you state , nobody has denied that, also nobody has denied that they cause there own problems. The point is if alcohol and tobbaco are legal and cause problems why should we legalise more substances which damage people and cause enough social problems when illegal, what difference would legalising drugs make to solving the economic and physical harm they cause our society?
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This time pay attention, I AM NOT YOUR MATE! By the way, I didn't ignore your 'George Orwell', post, I chose not to criticise it. |
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Instead of a brain addled numpty, be a man of your word. Recently, you publicly stated you were leaving this forum for good. But yet.... Here you are. I'd be so ashamed. I've never gone back on my word. Have you forgotton you said that? More than once actually. Is it to do with the short-term memory loss, brought on by years of taking illegal drugs? If I ever get in such a state, please, someone, shoot me up. |
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Mainly as the brain damaged on here are in a tiny minority. But thank you. It can't have been easy to muster the energy. Even if the defence was woefully weak. |
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Better to withdraw if you can't win the argument, a moment of wisdom in your daily folly? There are 2 sides so you can't have the final word all to yourself... I speak for myself and it seems you are a glutton for punishment - the perfect victim for a "bear baiter" in the modern sense. I imagine you would also be an easy snake to charm -just my opinion, of course.:rolleyes::D |
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Kestrelx lost the argument some time ago and his more recent comments are increasingly illogical - I do wonder whether he actually believes his own arguments or is being deliberately controversial?
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He is not up himself, he trys to be, but is too stoned to aim that high. |
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when he said twite i dont think he was aiming for twit jay lol ;) just think less "it" and more "at" Lol :) yahoo news have brought up this subject today after areas of england are no go areas because armed drug gangs run them.I dont think legalising drugs would help the situation at all these thugs would just find some other illicit trade to shoot each other over.Mind you the bill to the nhs would sky rocket with people wnating to get clean where as now in a lot of cases a much cheaper option of them dying in a gutter through their own stupidity works fine. |
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I can't even be bothered reading it all any more!!!
I tell you what the most dangerous thing is - PEOPLE! People are the most dangerous things on this planet more dangerous than DRUGS - illegal drugs, if they are infact that dangerous!! That is "Illegal drugs being; a drug that has been deemed too harmful for human consumption! Tenacious D - Jack Black on LSD - YouTube It's a waste of time argueing about this subject! You have your opinions which will never be changed even though you are conditioned by the "powers that be" and you don't even know why you think what you think! You are conditioned OK! |
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David Nutt's Blog: Evidence not Exaggeration Professor Nutt asks for Evidence not Exaggeration! No doubt there will be more posts with childish comments in reaction to this post! By the way I posted the Jack Black clip about LSD because it is funny. |
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Your a pratt and I don't care how much Karma you have and how many people will back you up - you can't make decent comments so you basically are snidey to get a reaction! You have said several times cannabis leads to heroin addiction which is not correct! |
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professor nutt isnt the best name i would choose to have speaking on anything
not that i agree or disagree with his comments as i havnt read them yet but the first thing that entered my mind was the nutty proffessor lol |
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