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kestrelx 25-02-2012 21:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 972606)
But your the idiot who keeps enhancing its use, looks like it took its toll 18 years ago

What a load of dribble.... :rolleyes:

annesingleton 25-02-2012 21:38

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972535)
I did use it like 18 years ago! :rolleyes: and some people are in and out of prison for murder in that time - so I'm sure that society has forgiven me for it, even though I was never caught for it! :)

CLEAR: Cannabis Law Reform

I don't understand your comment, are you advocating legalisation or not and are you still using or not if you don't mind me asking? (my question seems a bit to the point) And if you have stopped using, why? I could perhaps use your input to talk to young people about the pros and cons if you are willing and not coming across as you seem to have been?

walkinman221 25-02-2012 21:40

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Is that DRIBBLE or DRIVEL?:rolleyes:

kestrelx 25-02-2012 21:43

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 972590)
Are you insane!!
I refer you back to my post, twice made now, you seem to ignore.

Seeing if you take illegal drugs you are twice as more likely to die than from Paracetamol. I would have thought responsibility does not come into it.

I refer to my earlier post on this subject
Post 753 a few pages back

I don't understand what your comment means? People die from Paracetomol, period, nothing to do with illegal drugs!

I don't think it's insane to legalise cannabis and control it's distribution! Currently it is in the hands of criminal gangs and those gangs are making vast profits out of it. Surely it's better to legalise it and that would take it out of the hands of gangs.

It's not just me who thinks this but the organisation "Clear".

Recent research has shown that cannabis has powerful medicinal properties.

Inside The Marijuana Culture (1 of 2) - YouTube

You believe all the bad propoganda about it!

Can you live without Tea? Coffee? Or Sugar?

annesingleton 25-02-2012 21:46

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972884)
I don't understand what your comment means? People die from Paracetomol, period, nothing to do with illegal drugs!

I don't think it's insane to legalise cannabis and control it's distribution! Currently it is in the hands of criminal gangs and those gangs are making vast profits out of it. Surely it's better to legalise it and that would take it out of the hands of gangs.

It's not just me who thinks this but the organisation "Clear".

Recent research has shown that cannabis has powerful medicinal properties.

Inside The Marijuana Culture (1 of 2) - YouTube

You believe all the bad propoganda about it!

Can you live without Tea? Coffee? Or Sugar?



This thread is going round in circles! There are lots of previous answers to this question!

Less 25-02-2012 21:46

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 972882)
Is that DRIBBLE or DRIVEL?:rolleyes:

Cut the lad some slack, he is easily confused these days, dribble is what drips off his chin as he attempts to post his drivel.

One thought I've been having lately is:-

If kestrelx has a downer about people using alcohol, why is his user name also the name of probably the worst lager in the world?

:)

kestrelx 25-02-2012 21:47

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972881)
I don't understand your comment, are you advocating legalisation or not and are you still using or not if you don't mind me asking? (my question seems a bit to the point) And if you have stopped using, why? I could perhaps use your input to talk to young people about the pros and cons if you are willing and not coming across as you seem to have been?

No I don't use it. But if it was legal I would probably grow some plants as the strength of naturally sunlight grown cannabis is very mellow. But the skunk sold which is 90% of what is sold on the streets of Britain is very strong - which is one reason I don't use it now. It is grown indoors under unnatural lights and is forced to grow faster hence the strenght is like 20% up on natural cannabis!

annesingleton 25-02-2012 21:55

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972887)
No I don't use it. But if it was legal I would probably grow some plants as the strength of naturally sunlight grown cannabis is very mellow. But the skunk sold which is 90% of what is sold on the streets of Britain is very strong - which is one reason I don't use it now.

I'm interested to know why you stopped (none of my business of course I'm just a nosy old social worker so please don't say unless you want to!). But why would you grow plants if it was legal if you no longer use it, and if you feel so strongly why don't you grow it now for personal use? - I'm just interested...

kestrelx 25-02-2012 21:55

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972885)
This thread is going round in circles! There are lots of previous answers to this question!

Yes and you are not listening! I understand you are involved with kids who have abused drugs - I am telling you that a lot of these kids are involved in gang culture and the drugs are a part of that culture because these drugs are illegal. Legalising them would end gang involvement and it would no longer be "cool" to deal drugs as part of a gang!

kestrelx 25-02-2012 21:59

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972891)
I'm interested to know why you stopped (none of my business of course I'm just a nosy old social worker so please don't say unless you want to!). But why would you grow plants if it was legal if you no longer use it, and if you feel so strongly why don't you grow it now for personal use? - I'm just interested...

I've already explained why a few posts back - if it was legal I may grow a bit to use as a herb on my omlettes instead of smoking it. I don't have any seeds for a start... :rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 25-02-2012 22:00

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Let me spell it out for you, in small easy to understand words.
You have posted in this thread that 500 people die each year from Paracetamol and 30 from illegal drug use. This was written with the intention of proving illegal drugs are safer than over the counter medicine.
However when you look into this, the figures you quote are wrong.
For paracetamol there is one death in every 120,000 people who use it
For illegal drugs one per 66,000 people who use, almost a ratio of two to one.
So your stupid and crass postings have no basis.
Better?

Oh and one more thing...you were so fed up and sick of us, you were going to leave, another empty promise?

Boeing Guy 25-02-2012 22:08

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972892)
Yes and you are not listening! I understand you are involved with kids who have abused drugs - I am telling you that a lot of these kids are involved in gang culture and the drugs are a part of that culture because these drugs are illegal. Legalising them would end gang involvement and it would no longer be "cool" to deal drugs as part of a gang!

Do you have any serious written, not you tube, scientific evidence to back up that?



I won't hold my breath

annesingleton 25-02-2012 22:13

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972892)
Yes and you are not listening! I understand you are involved with kids who have abused drugs - I am telling you that a lot of these kids are involved in gang culture and the drugs are a part of that culture because these drugs are illegal. Legalising them would end gang involvement and it would no longer be "cool" to deal drugs as part of a gang!

You are so wrong here! It goes hand in hand with alcohol and a general culture, nothing to do with gang culture. It is just a part of life in general that the vast majority of the 'socially excluded' young people I work with will think that cannabis use (as well as other drugs) is just a normal part of their lives and they cannot see any reason to change because they have no expectations or confidence in themselves to make positive changes to improve their lives. I appreciate that this is a far bigger social problem than the drugs issue, but I don't think that legalising drugs would be a positive message in their lives - it's like saying " carry on as you are it's ok, in fact we'll encourage you by making it legal". And then what about the following generations, what expectations will they have? (I think I'd better stop ranting here, it's Saturday night for God's sake, I'll finish my glass of wine and go to bed!!!)

kestrelx 25-02-2012 22:15

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 972895)
Let me spell it out for you, in small easy to understand words.
You have posted in this thread that 500 people die each year from Paracetamol and 30 from illegal drug use. This was written with the intention of proving illegal drugs are safer than over the counter medicine.
However when you look into this, the figures you quote are wrong.
For paracetamol there is one death in every 120,000 people who use it
For illegal drugs one per 66,000 people who use, almost a ratio of two to one.
So your stupid and crass postings have no basis.
Better?

Oh and one more thing...you were so fed up and sick of us, you were going to leave, another empty promise?

You got it wrong mate - I said 500 people die per year from Paracetomol and 30 from Ecstacy not all illegal drugs. I don't think anyone has ever died from smoking cannabis! EVER!!!

Your wrong! However 9,000 people per year die from alcohol in the UK - as was featured on the program shown "Britains Hidden Alchoholics!" with Alastair Campbell (an ex-alcoholic) this week...

BBC News - Panorama - Alastair Campbell on drink: 'I paid a heavy price'

cashman 25-02-2012 22:18

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It said Alcohol related illness, i watched it as well.:rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 25-02-2012 22:18

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972900)
You got it wrong mate - I said 500 people die per year from Paracetomol and 30 from Ecstacy not all illegal drugs. I don't think anyone has ever died from smoking cannabis! EVER!!!

Your wrong! However 9,000 people per year die from alcohol - as was featured on the program shown "Britains Hidden Alchoholics!" this week...

BBC News - Panorama - Alastair Campbell on drink: 'I paid a heavy price'

Did you actually take a moment to read what I had written.... IF YOU TAKE ILLEGAL DRUGS YOU ARE ALMOST TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE AS IF YOU TAKE PARACETAMOL.
Now why oh why will you not accept that simple fact. Simply throwing more numbers into the mix only goes to show your ignorance

cashman 25-02-2012 22:20

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Hes only doin it to try n justify his nonsense B.G.:rolleyes:

kestrelx 25-02-2012 22:23

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 972902)
Did you actually take a moment to read what I had written.... IF YOU TAKE ILLEGAL DRUGS YOU ARE ALMOST TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE AS IF YOU TAKE PARACETAMOL.
Now why oh why will you not accept that simple fact. Simply throwing more numbers into the mix only goes to show your ignorance

But using the term "Illegal Drugs" is a misnomer because as I have said no one has ever died from smoking cannabis on it's own. You are lumping all drugs in together. So all "Illegal drugs" do not have the same effect and potentiallity to kill someone who takes them.

The issue is here what I said in the first place is that 500 people die from Paracetomol and only 30 from Exstasy per annum in the UK - that said a lot of it is not actually Exstasy so again the figures are lower!

kestrelx 25-02-2012 22:26

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972899)
You are so wrong here! It goes hand in hand with alcohol and a general culture, nothing to do with gang culture. It is just a part of life in general that the vast majority of the 'socially excluded' young people I work with will think that cannabis use (as well as other drugs) is just a normal part of their lives and they cannot see any reason to change because they have no expectations or confidence in themselves to make positive changes to improve their lives. I appreciate that this is a far bigger social problem than the drugs issue, but I don't think that legalising drugs would be a positive message in their lives - it's like saying " carry on as you are it's ok, in fact we'll encourage you by making it legal". And then what about the following generations, what expectations will they have? (I think I'd better stop ranting here, it's Saturday night for God's sake, I'll finish my glass of wine and go to bed!!!)

Better watch the wine Anne - maybe you drinking too much! ;):D

If cannabis was legalised then it would be illegal for people under 18 to have it and also it would still be an offence to sell it to people under 18!

Another issue is that Skunk is about 20% stronger than naturally grown cannabis! So these kids are taking that strenght of drug - grown by gangs in this country - who often use slave labour to grow it! Surely if we legalised cannabis than these gangs would be put out of business and also SKUNK would not be taken by kids! Because it's skunk that can cause more harm to peoples mental health!

Boeing Guy 25-02-2012 22:26

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No you really dont understand do you, there are 60 million people in the uk, the vast majority have paracetamol in their medicine cupboard.
There may be a few thousand take esctasy.
Now if you think really really hard you will realise that just a number, without reference to population is bunk. Unless of course you fried your brain years ago

kestrelx 25-02-2012 22:34

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 972907)
No you really dont understand do you, there are 60 million people in the uk, the vast majority have paracetamol in their medicine cupboard.
There may be a few thousand take esctasy.
Now if you think really really hard you will realise that just a number, without reference to population is bunk. Unless of course you fried your brain years ago

Yes I know what you are saying the over all amount of people taking the ecstasy is less than those who take paracetomol - so there for over all there is less danger in the paracetomol. Which means in your view if ecstasy was legal more would take it and more would die!? Mmmm that is open to debate :confused:

annesingleton 25-02-2012 22:39

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972906)
Better watch the wine Anne - maybe you drinking too much! ;):D

If cannabis was legalised then it would be illegal for people under 18 to have it and also it would still be an offence to sell it to people under 18!

Thanks kestrelx I'm off to bed now, wine almost gone! It doesn't really make any difference whether drugs are legal or not whether for under or over 18's - and I do think at this stage you may be playing devil's advocate? Whether or not we are going to have to disagree on the subject - nothing could persuade me that illegal drugs should be legalised and it sounds like you can't be persuaded that they shouldn't be. But from my experience not much good comes from over indulging in substances either legal or illegal. But to me there's not much point legalising drugs other than for medicinal purposes - we have enough legally obtained potentially life destroying things without needing more!

cashman 25-02-2012 22:45

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972912)
Thanks kestrelx I'm off to bed now, wine almost gone! It doesn't really make any difference whether drugs are legal or not whether for under or over 18's - and I do think at this stage you may be playing devil's advocate? Whether or not we are going to have to disagree on the subject - nothing could persuade me that illegal drugs should be legalised and it sounds like you can't be persuaded that they shouldn't be. But from my experience not much good comes from over indulging in substances either legal or illegal. But to me there's not much point legalising drugs other than for medicinal purposes - we have enough legally obtained potentially life destroying things without needing more!

anne just remember the owd saying- Yeh cant put sense were there is none.:D;)

Less 25-02-2012 22:51

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972906)

If cannabis was legalised then it would be illegal for people under 18 to have it and also it would still be an offence to sell it to people under 18!

It is already illegal for people under 18 to use it, it just so happens that the law making it illegal for them also makes it illegal for people aged 18 & over to use it.

However both age groups still find it readily available right now, so how would you police it so that only under 18's are prosecuted?

garinda 25-02-2012 23:05

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972884)
I don't understand what your comment means? People die from Paracetomol, period, nothing to do with illegal drugs!

I don't think it's insane to legalise cannabis and control it's distribution! Currently it is in the hands of criminal gangs and those gangs are making vast profits out of it. Surely it's better to legalise it and that would take it out of the hands of gangs.

It's not just me who thinks this but the organisation "Clear".

Recent research has shown that cannabis has powerful medicinal properties.


You believe all the bad propoganda about it!

Can you live without Tea? Coffee? Or Sugar?

You posted earlier in the thread that you'd taken heroin.

Would you like to see that 'recreational' drug taken 'out of the hands of gangs', and made legal, and freely available for all to use?

garinda 25-02-2012 23:08

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972885)
This thread is going round in circles! There are lots of previous answers to this question!

Try and be a little more understanding.

Some members have difficulties.

Short-term memory loss being one of their minor problems.

annesingleton 25-02-2012 23:09

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I think kestrelx is losing the argument and should stop now.

cashman 25-02-2012 23:11

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972918)
I think kestrelx is losing the argument and should stop now.

See yer wrong again, Its the plot hes lost.:D

garinda 25-02-2012 23:12

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972918)
I think kestrelx is losing the argument and should stop now.

I think he's addicted to the pain, suffering, and public humilation, that this thread affords him.

He should try and muster a little self-discipline.

Just say No.

Margaret Pilkington 26-02-2012 08:52

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We know that Cannabis has some powerful qualities that mean it is of use to sufferers of the pain caused by MS and arthritis....that is why the drug Sativex(there are otherdrug company names too) was brought out - to help these people.
It does not alter the fact that it is illegal to use it unless it has been prescibed for such use.
No-one has died from using Cannabis(or that is what you tell us)...but plenty have gone on to use other illegal substance and have died from their use.....and there are those who haven't died from cannabis use, but sometimes wish they had(when in the grip of mental illness).

Illegal drugs are lumped together because they are illegal, not because they are all the same in effects.

As Anne has said this debate has gone around in circles, you are not going to be convinced that your argument is flawed....and there are many of us who are not convinced that your (or anyone else's ) argument for legalisation is anything, other than justification for your own use in the future.
My input ends here.

jaysay 26-02-2012 09:48

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 972886)
Cut the lad some slack, he is easily confused these days, dribble is what drips off his chin as he attempts to post his drivel.

One thought I've been having lately is:-

If kestrelx has a downer about people using alcohol, why is his user name also the name of probably the worst lager in the world?

:)

No probably about it Less, I once tried it too:eek::eek:

jaysay 26-02-2012 09:53

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 972918)
I think kestrelx is losing the argument and should stop now.

Ann kestrelx never had a winnable argument in the first place, only in his own mind;)

Neil 26-02-2012 18:17

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 972904)
The issue is here what I said in the first place is that 500 people die from Paracetomol and only 30 from Exstasy per annum in the UK - that said a lot of it is not actually Exstasy so again the figures are lower!


I think that is a rubbish argument.
How many of those who died from paracetamol overdoses used them to commit suicide?

I doubt anyone chooses ecstasy as the drug of choice for suicide.

Boeing Guy 26-02-2012 19:46

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Well said Neil, however there is one thing bothering me, where did Kestralex get his numbers from?
I had a search, I could not find any real credible figgures for ecstacy deaths.

garinda 26-02-2012 20:13

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 973077)
I think that is a rubbish argument.
How many of those who died from paracetamol overdoses used them to commit suicide?

I doubt anyone chooses ecstasy as the drug of choice for suicide.

Yes, but like buying paracetamol tablets, most 'good' dealers would limit the number of ecstasy pills you could purchase to sixteen.

Surely?

:rolleyes:

jaysay 27-02-2012 08:37

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 973099)
Yes, but like buying paracetamol tablets, most 'good' dealers would limit the number of ecstasy pills you could purchase to sixteen.

Surely?

:rolleyes:

Ya Rindi and that idea of limiting the paracetamol which can be bought is a nonsense, the only thing it did was to increase the price of them, I use paracetamol every day as part of pain management and I don't get them on prescription either, it costs me £2 for 64 tabs, before the legislation it was 200 for £1-30p

MargaretR 27-02-2012 10:49

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 973152)
Ya Rindi and that idea of limiting the paracetamol which can be bought is a nonsense, the only thing it did was to increase the price of them, I use paracetamol every day as part of pain management and I don't get them on prescription either, it costs me £2 for 64 tabs, before the legislation it was 200 for £1-30p

I am surprised that you don't get pain relief on free prescription (over 60 as you are).

Several years ago I was on 8 distalgesics a day.(free)
They removed them from the prescribed list after they were used by Dr Kelly to suicide (allegedly).:rolleyes:

They were replaced by a codiene/paracetemol combination (free)

When I got addicted to codiene and told doc I wanted paracetemol only he supplied it free without question.

I eventually stopped using that too.
Whatever I was on, I got a months supply at a time to accommodate the max daily dose.

kestrelx 27-02-2012 13:24

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 971767)
Based on all evidence unearthed to date, unless you count the occasional use of an over-the counter homeopathic remedy, Lewis Carroll was not a drug user.

You a recreational drug user?

Can we look forward to your posts exhibiting great flights of imagination, touched with genius?

From about 1800 to 1985 a highly powerful hallucinogenic -datura strammonium - was used in Asthma treatment medication. In special cigarettes and also as a form of tea in which the fumes were inhaled, but if taken as tea and the liquid drank would cause serious mind warping effects - I wonder if Lewis Carroll used this stuff as it was commonly available and would give serious hallucinations. In those days was viewed as a mere homeopathic remedy!!! :eek:
Hardluck Asthma: 1800-1985: Asthma Cigarettes

As far as me losing the argument is concerned; all I hear from you lot is personal attacks and not a jott of decent evidence apart from "knee jerk" reactions! :D

Gordon Booth 27-02-2012 14:04

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 973225)
From about 1800 to 1985 a highly powerful hallucinogenic -datura strammonium - was used in Asthma treatment medication. In special cigarettes and also as a form of tea in which the fumes were inhaled, but if taken as tea and the liquid drank would cause serious mind warping effects - I wonder if Lewis Carroll used this stuff as it was commonly available and would give serious hallucinations. In those days was viewed as a mere homeopathic remedy!!! : :D

Good job they made it legal then.
They didn't? Come on, kestrelx, start a campaign, I'm sure you'll get lots of backers.

garinda 27-02-2012 14:57

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 973225)
From about 1800 to 1985 a highly powerful hallucinogenic -datura strammonium - was used in Asthma treatment medication. In special cigarettes and also as a form of tea in which the fumes were inhaled, but if taken as tea and the liquid drank would cause serious mind warping effects - I wonder if Lewis Carroll used this stuff as it was commonly available and would give serious hallucinations. In those days was viewed as a mere homeopathic remedy!!! :eek:
Hardluck Asthma: 1800-1985: Asthma Cigarettes

As far as me losing the argument is concerned; all I hear from you lot is personal attacks and not a jott of decent evidence apart from "knee jerk" reactions! :D

As you've stated on here that you took heroin recreationally, should that be made legal?

As for personal attacks.

Since no one know's you from Adam, and the only information that's known about you, are things you've chosen to have made public, any 'attacks' are carried out with the rod you've made for your own spineless back.

garinda 27-02-2012 15:01

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 973225)
From about 1800 to 1985 a highly powerful hallucinogenic -datura strammonium - was used in Asthma treatment medication. In special cigarettes and also as a form of tea in which the fumes were inhaled, but if taken as tea and the liquid drank would cause serious mind warping effects - I wonder if Lewis Carroll used this stuff as it was commonly available and would give serious hallucinations. In those days was viewed as a mere homeopathic remedy!!! :eek:
Hardluck Asthma: 1800-1985: Asthma Cigarettes

As far as me losing the argument is concerned; all I hear from you lot is personal attacks and not a jott of decent evidence apart from "knee jerk" reactions! :D

Though it is quite amusing.

Playing the victim.

Since you were stupid enough to publicly post threats of Actual Bodily Harm, against members of this forum.

annesingleton 27-02-2012 17:35

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 973225)
As far as me losing the argument is concerned; all I hear from you lot is personal attacks and not a jott of decent evidence apart from "knee jerk" reactions! :D

I don't think that is a very fair comment, there have been some very decent responses with good evidence - and speaking for myself I personally don't think that that I have launched a personal attack on you - it would be very difficult since I have no idea who you really are! Do you think it would be fair to say that you have also made personal remarks to other people who haven't agreed with you?
The thing is that you have a fixed set of beliefs on this subject, whilst others have opposing views - neither side are likely to be swayed.

jaysay 27-02-2012 18:26

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 973184)
I am surprised that you don't get pain relief on free prescription (over 60 as you are).

Several years ago I was on 8 distalgesics a day.(free)
They removed them from the prescribed list after they were used by Dr Kelly to suicide (allegedly).:rolleyes:

They were replaced by a codiene/paracetemol combination (free)

When I got addicted to codiene and told doc I wanted paracetemol only he supplied it free without question.

I eventually stopped using that too.
Whatever I was on, I got a months supply at a time to accommodate the max daily dose.

I do get pain relief on prescription and have done for many years Margaret, I suppose I could get paracetamol as well, but its something I've always bought, so haven't bothered. I use them in conjunction with DF118s and thankfully they keep me relatively pain free, by that I mean its just a discomfort more than a pain now

jaysay 27-02-2012 18:32

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 973225)
From about 1800 to 1985 a highly powerful hallucinogenic -datura stramonium - was used in Asthma treatment medication. In special cigarettes and also as a form of tea in which the fumes were inhaled, but if taken as tea and the liquid drank would cause serious mind warping effects - I wonder if Lewis Carroll used this stuff as it was commonly available and would give serious hallucinations. In those days was viewed as a mere homeopathic remedy!!! :eek:
Hardluck Asthma: 1800-1985: Asthma Cigarettes

As far as me losing the argument is concerned; all I hear from you lot is personal attacks and not a lot of decent evidence apart from "knee jerk" reactions! :D

Hell am I glad that things have moved on, Asthma Fags, those Yanks sure as hell had strange ways, mind you one promoter of the fags was Dr Batty, says it all really:rolleyes:

kestrelx 29-02-2012 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 973268)
As you've stated on here that you took heroin recreationally, should that be made legal?

As for personal attacks.

Since no one know's you from Adam, and the only information that's known about you, are things you've chosen to have made public, any 'attacks' are carried out with the rod you've made for your own spineless back.

Your posts have always been antagonistic - you do it on purpose and I consider you to be a Troll - that is someone who makes statements to antagonise another. Any threats I made were because you kept bringing up my brother and his actions which had nothing to do with me. It's obvious you did it for the reasons "Trolls" operate to provoke a reaction.

The attacks against me have been that my brain is addled by drugs and therefore my argument is not valid.

I have told you that not everyone who tries drugs becomes an addict - something you refuse to accept.

garinda 29-02-2012 19:59

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 973975)
Your posts have always been antagonistic - you do it on purpose and I consider you to be a Troll - that is someone who makes statements to antagonise another. Any threats I made were because you kept bringing up my brother and his actions which had nothing to do with me. It's obvious you did it for the reasons "Trolls" operate to provoke a reaction.

The attacks against me have been that my brain is addled by drugs and therefore my argument is not valid.

I have told you that not everyone who tries drugs becomes an addict - something you refuse to accept.

It's really very simple.

Or should be.

You've publicly stated you've taken heroin 'recreationally'.

Should it be legalised, for everyone to take recreationally?

garinda 29-02-2012 20:55

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 973977)
It's really very simple.

Or should be.

You've publicly stated you've taken heroin 'recreationally'.

Should it be legalised, for everyone to take recreationally?

Yes?

No?

Too difficult a question to answer?

kestrelx 29-02-2012 23:21

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
I've just done a search and it appears the Monkee's were involved in the drugs scene of the 60's in LA! i.e LSD - cannabis - cocaine!

How Does it Feel to Be One of the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE?

kestrelx 29-02-2012 23:33

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 973995)
Yes?

No?

Too difficult a question to answer?

No I don't think it should at the moment!

garinda 29-02-2012 23:51

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974033)
No I don't think it should.

Why not?

What makes heroin different from other drugs, that you, and other people take for their own pleasure?

What currently illegal drugs should be decriminalised, and made readily available to all, for 'recreational' use?

You haven't made your stance very clear.

You've mentioned some of the illegal drugs you've taken recreationally.

Which should, and which shouldn't be freely available for all?

Perhaps you'd better make a list.

To make yourself properly understood.

jaysay 01-03-2012 08:56

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974032)
I've just done a search and it appears the Monkee's were involved in the drugs scene of the 60's in LA! i.e LSD - cannabis - cocaine!

How Does it Feel to Be One of the BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE?

So did Jimi Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Brian Jones it sure as hell was a great career booster for them wasn't it :rolleyes:

cashman 01-03-2012 09:34

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974033)
No I don't think it should at the moment!

At what moment should it be?

Northern Monkey 01-03-2012 13:06

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 973977)
It's really very simple.

Or should be.

You've publicly stated you've taken heroin 'recreationally'.

Should it be legalised, for everyone to take recreationally?

Heroin in it's purest form doesn't damage the body. It's all the additives that are used to bulk it out etc that make it as harmful as it is. It might mentally cause harm - but not physically.

More people a year die from alcohol & tobacco than all other drugs combined.

cashman 01-03-2012 13:09

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 974112)

More people a year die from alcohol & tobacco than all other drugs combined.

Which is what to do wi legalising illegal drugs?

Northern Monkey 01-03-2012 13:16

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Supposed to be edited out. Wrote more - but couldn't be bothered elaborating on it.

Less 01-03-2012 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 974116)
Supposed to be edited out. Wrote more - but couldn't be bothered elaborating on it.

Pity you even tried then, wasn't worth taking up the server space!

Northern Monkey 01-03-2012 13:20

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I'm sure the server will be okay with an extra sentence added to a post.

Michael1954 01-03-2012 13:25

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 974112)
Heroin in it's purest form doesn't damage the body. It's all the additives that are used to bulk it out etc that make it as harmful as it is. It might mentally cause harm - but not physically.

And your point is? This is a thread about legalising illegal drugs. What do you think?

garinda 01-03-2012 13:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 974112)
Heroin...might mentally cause harm

Cool, that's ok then.

The biggest reason not to take illegal drugs recreationally, is that you might end up with the same sort of imbecilic brain, as those pro-drug users, that we've had posting in this thread.

garinda 01-03-2012 13:59

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 974116)
couldn't be bothered elaborating on it.

Oh God, not another one.

Tired?

Listless?

Have trouble mustering the energy to do things?

Apathy?

Trouble concentrating on things, for more than a few seconds?




Just say 'No!'

;)

kestrelx 01-03-2012 15:27

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974132)
Cool, that's ok then.

The biggest reason not to take illegal drugs recreationally, is that you might end up with the same sort of imbecilic brain, as those pro-drug users, that we've had posting in this thread.


See more personal attacks and as ever you are missing points I have made over and over again which you seem to miss. That not everybody gets addicted to heroin after a few times as I have proved!

Some drugs are like going on holiday, it's the same principle. People take a holiday for a break. Likewise drugs can give you a change for an evening that refresh you and help you get on with life!

Just as going on holiday may present challenges and dangers for some but not all!

All drugs have different uses. :)

garinda 01-03-2012 15:39

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974164)
All drugs have different uses. :)

Oh, you're up.

Perhaps you might like to try and answer these questions, regarding what currently illegal drugs should, and shouldn't be made freely available to all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974034)
Why not?

What makes heroin different from other drugs, that you, and other people take for their own pleasure?

What currently illegal drugs should be decriminalised, and made readily available to all, for 'recreational' use?

You haven't made your stance very clear.

You've mentioned some of the illegal drugs you've taken recreationally.

Which should, and which shouldn't be freely available for all?

Perhaps you'd better make a list.

To make yourself properly understood.


jaysay 01-03-2012 17:58

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974164)

All drugs have different uses. :)

But the end result is the same, scrambled eggs for what started of as a brain

kestrelx 02-03-2012 14:00

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974169)
Oh, you're up.

Perhaps you might like to try and answer these questions, regarding what currently illegal drugs should, and shouldn't be made freely available to all.

Free drugs for all! :hehetable lol...

Why have you got "Bear Baiting" in your profile - is that another word for "winding people up on purpose!" or being a Troll!

Anyone see "Our man in Ibiza..." last night on Channel 4...

Our Man in... - 4oD - Channel 4

A new "illegal drug" called the Pink Pill which no one knew what it was and it killed a girl and caused others to lose memory for days on end - this is what happens because of making drugs illegal! Criminals can mix any concoction and sell it to people etc

garinda 02-03-2012 15:31

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974373)
...caused others to lose memory for days on end

Did you take some of the little pink pills?

Is that why you keep forgetting to answer the questions, just as soon as you've read them?

Why shouldn't heroin, which you took recreationally, be legalised 'at the moment'?

What makes it different?

Could you list all the currently illegal drugs, that you'd like to see decriminalised, and freely available to all?

I know it's a problem, the short term memory loss.

But I will try to help.

By keep asking the questions.

Until you manage to answer them.

annesingleton 02-03-2012 19:38

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
You are not being logical with your argument.

annesingleton 02-03-2012 19:40

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974373)
Free drugs for all! :hehetable lol...

Why have you got "Bear Baiting" in your profile - is that another word for "winding people up on purpose!" or being a Troll!

Anyone see "Our man in Ibiza..." last night on Channel 4...

Our Man in... - 4oD - Channel 4

A new "illegal drug" called the Pink Pill which no one knew what it was and it killed a girl and caused others to lose memory for days on end - this is what happens because of making drugs illegal! Criminals can mix any concoction and sell it to people etc

Sorry I forgot to quote - your argument is not logical.

jaysay 03-03-2012 09:14

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 974456)
Sorry I forgot to quote - your argument is not logical.

Anne kestrelx isn't logical full stop;)

Less 03-03-2012 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974373)

Why have you got "Bear Baiting" in your profile - is that another word for "winding people up on purpose!" or being a Troll!

Well it can't be aimed at you, a bear has the sense to crap in the woods, you do it all over AccyWeb.

mobertol 03-03-2012 11:24

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 974595)
Well it can't be aimed at you, a bear has the sense to crap in the woods, you do it all over AccyWeb.


:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

mobertol 03-03-2012 11:33

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974373)
Why have you got "Bear Baiting" in your profile - is that another word for "winding people up on purpose!"

Possibly because it's good sport?

Ancient arts that risk being lost in the mists of time, rather like falconry.

Training a kestrel - YouTube

Wonder what they put in the lttle morsels to keep it coming back for more?:rolleyes:

Seems to be eating out of his hand...:D

steve2qec 03-03-2012 11:58

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
I lost interest after the bird flew to and fro a couple of times.

Wonder if those guys traded their pitbull in for the falcon...!!

Glad I don't live on that estate - wouldn't fancy cleaning falcon poo off my conservatory windows...!!

mobertol 03-03-2012 12:03

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 974622)
I lost interest after the bird flew to and fro a couple of times.

That's the point Steve - the Kestrel doesn't get bored -it just keeps coming back for more of the same;):D

steve2qec 03-03-2012 12:05

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 974626)
That's the point Steve - the Kestrel doesn't get bored -it just keeps coming back for more of the same;):D

Ahh, right! I thought it was gonna get interesting and kept skipping to the end...!!!

jaysay 03-03-2012 14:04

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 974626)
That's the point Steve - the Kestrel doesn't get bored -it just keeps coming back for more of the same;):D

Ya mobertol the names usually tells the whole story:D:D:cool:

kestrelx 03-03-2012 17:34

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 974595)
Well it can't be aimed at you, a bear has the sense to crap in the woods, you do it all over AccyWeb.

Well mate you totally ignored a perfectly sound post I made about George Orwell so you are talking crap - me thinks you need to get your incontinence nappies out! :(

kestrelx 03-03-2012 17:39

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 974615)
Possibly because it's good sport?

Ancient arts that risk being lost in the mists of time, rather like falconry.

Training a kestrel - YouTube

Wonder what they put in the lttle morsels to keep it coming back for more?:rolleyes:

Seems to be eating out of his hand...:D

so you are supporting a cruel blood sport Mobertol , one in which a bear is chained up and dogs are allowed to rip it apart! :confused: Is that what you like!

Also falconry is nothing like bear baiting two totally different things! Just like all drugs are totally different things, have different purposes and different effects! :rolleyes:

annesingleton 03-03-2012 17:43

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974719)
Well mate you totally ignored a perfectly sound post I made about George Orwell so you are talking crap - me thinks you need to get your incontinence nappies out! :(

Sorry can't find it, please could you re post it?

walkinman221 03-03-2012 17:46

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 974112)
Heroin in it's purest form doesn't damage the body. It's all the additives that are used to bulk it out etc that make it as harmful as it is. It might mentally cause harm - but not physically.

More people a year die from alcohol & tobacco than all other drugs combined.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:
So lets get this straight heroin does'nt damage the body but can mentally cause harm. I might be missing something here but the last time i looked at some kind of medical book mental harm meant the brain which in my case,don't know about you is attached to my body via my head and neck, i find it gets the best from it keeping it there, maybe yours is in a jar at the side of the bed i don't know:rolleyes::rolleyes:

walkinman221 03-03-2012 17:51

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
If anybody from the powers that be, read this thread the pro drug lobby are doing a good job of putting a case for not legalising drugs. The posts they have put forward say everything about what sort of condition you end up in once you have used the said drugs.

mobertol 03-03-2012 19:54

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974724)
so you are supporting a cruel blood sport Mobertol , one in which a bear is chained up and dogs are allowed to rip it apart! :confused: Is that what you like!

Also falconry is nothing like bear baiting two totally different things! Just like all drugs are totally different things, have different purposes and different effects! :rolleyes:


I'm sure that those who have read my post have understood that it was made with irony, with the modern interpretation of "bear baiting" in mind -ie the tormenting of a victim, with words
Times change, Heny VIII found that sport highly entertaining as did most of his subjects. His friend, Robert, Earl of Dudley, is quoted as recounting how entertaining it was to see an Ass with an Ape tied to it's back fighting...and other such encounters in the pit.
The bloodsport of bear baiting was commonplace on this Isle until 1848, until the first Parliamentary Act against animal cruelty.
I would not like to witness it personally.
Whether it is "right" or not, some people will always throw themselves at the mercy of others, verbally. Their "look out". No one forces them to do it.

Is it better to torture animals in the name of sport or consider acceptable that the new generation of human beings be subjected to drugs as a norm?

kestrelx 03-03-2012 20:05

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 974775)
I'm sure that those who have read my post have understood that it was made with irony, with the modern interpretation of "bear baiting" in mind -ie the tormenting of a victim, with words
Times change, Heny VIII found that sport highly entertaining as did most of his subjects. His friend, Robert, Earl of Dudley, is quoted as recounting how entertaining it was to see an Ass with an Ape tied to it's back fighting...and other such encounters in the pit.
The bloodsport of bear baiting was commonplace on this Isle until 1848, until the first Parliamentary Act against animal cruelty.
I would not like to witness it personally.
Whether it is "right" or not, some people will always throw themselves at the mercy of others, verbally. Their "look out". No one forces them to do it.

Is it better to torture animals in the name of sport or consider acceptable that the new generation of human beings be subjected to drugs as a norm?

Bull - shhhhhhhhhh! Bull baiting!

Garinda is a twite in my book! You support him if you want - and you are supporting a troll who is "up himself!" you wanna go up there as well feel free!

Tobbaco is a drug it is legal and more addictive than heroin this is a fact! Alcohol is a drug and more damaging than other drugs that are illegal. An individual should be able to take drugs it is their body and their decision! End of! :cool: Unfortunately the Government don't think so and in doing so allow criminals to sell other substances that are not what an individual may require thus putting that persons health at risk!

This argument can not be won so I put this argument to an end!

walkinman221 03-03-2012 20:23

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Alcohol and tobbacco are indeed legal as you state , nobody has denied that, also nobody has denied that they cause there own problems. The point is if alcohol and tobbaco are legal and cause problems why should we legalise more substances which damage people and cause enough social problems when illegal, what difference would legalising drugs make to solving the economic and physical harm they cause our society?

Less 03-03-2012 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974719)
Well mate you totally ignored a perfectly sound post I made about George Orwell so you are talking crap - me thinks you need to get your incontinence nappies out! :(

If I have told you once, I have told you a thousand times,
This time pay attention,

I AM NOT YOUR MATE!

By the way, I didn't ignore your 'George Orwell', post, I chose not to criticise it.

cashman 03-03-2012 20:49

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974777)

This argument can not be won so I put this argument to an end!

Yeh mean the same way as yer comment yeh were leaving?:rolleyes: Somehow i doubt it very much.

garinda 03-03-2012 20:55

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974777)
Bull - shhhhhhhhhh! Bull baiting!

Garinda is a twite in my book! You support him if you want - and you are supporting a troll who is "up himself!" you wanna go up there as well feel free!

Easily sorted.

Instead of a brain addled numpty, be a man of your word.

Recently, you publicly stated you were leaving this forum for good.

But yet....

Here you are.

I'd be so ashamed.

I've never gone back on my word.

Have you forgotton you said that? More than once actually.

Is it to do with the short-term memory loss, brought on by years of taking illegal drugs?

If I ever get in such a state, please, someone, shoot me

up.

garinda 03-03-2012 21:00

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974777)
This argument can not be won so I put this argument to an end!

You're right.

Mainly as the brain damaged on here are in a tiny minority.

But thank you.

It can't have been easy to muster the energy.

Even if the defence was woefully weak.

mobertol 03-03-2012 21:35

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974777)
Bull - shhhhhhhhhh! Bull baiting!

Garinda is a twite in my book! You support him if you want - and you are supporting a troll who is "up himself!" you wanna go up there as well feel free!

Tobbaco is a drug it is legal and more addictive than heroin this is a fact! Alcohol is a drug and more damaging than other drugs that are illegal. An individual should be able to take drugs it is their body and their decision! End of! :cool: Unfortunately the Government don't think so and in doing so allow criminals to sell other substances that are not what an individual may require thus putting that persons health at risk!

This argument can not be won so I put this argument to an end!

Oh dear! How sad -if anyone is up themselves I have an idea who it is!:rolleyes:

Better to withdraw if you can't win the argument, a moment of wisdom in your daily folly?
There are 2 sides so you can't have the final word all to yourself...

I speak for myself and it seems you are a glutton for punishment - the perfect victim for a "bear baiter" in the modern sense. I imagine you would also be an easy snake to charm -just my opinion, of course.:rolleyes::D

annesingleton 03-03-2012 21:44

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Kestrelx lost the argument some time ago and his more recent comments are increasingly illogical - I do wonder whether he actually believes his own arguments or is being deliberately controversial?

Less 03-03-2012 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 974823)
Oh dear! How sad -if anyone is up themselves I have an idea who it is!:rolleyes:

Not very often I jump to someones defence, I will make an exception in lousy lagers case however.

He is not up himself, he trys to be, but is too stoned to aim that high.

mobertol 03-03-2012 22:10

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 974828)
Not very often I jump to someones defence, I will make an exception in lousy lagers case however.

He is not up himself, he trys to be, but is too stoned to aim that high.

Dear(est) Less, as you are now "knee high to a grasshopper" - since taking on the persona of "Stewie" as your avatar. How could you, as an innocent possibly know? I appreciate your good intention but, be honest, you don't even understand the concept of "being up oneself" as a wee toddler. He's quick to bandy about such familiar sobriquets, let him at least be culpable of what he accuses others of.:)

Less 03-03-2012 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 974835)
Dear(est) Less, as you are now "knee high to a grasshopper" - since taking on the persona of "Stewie" as your avatar. How could you, as an innocent possibly know? I appreciate your good intention but, be honest, you don't even understand the concept of "being up oneself" as a wee toddler. He's quick to bandy about such familiar sobriquets, let him at least be culpable of what he accuses others of.:)

I would love to enter into a discussion of how knowlegable and streetwise Stewie is, but FG is just starting a double dose on beeb 3, got to get my fix of Brian, I do worry though, The more I watch the more attractive Meg becomes, I think she must be addictive.

jaysay 04-03-2012 09:38

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 974777)
Bull - shhhhhhhhh! Bull baiting!

Garinda is a twite in my book! You support him if you want - and you are supporting a troll who is "up himself!" you wanna go up there as well feel free!

Tobbaco is a drug it is legal and more addictive than heroin this is a fact! Alcohol is a drug and more damaging than other drugs that are illegal. An individual should be able to take drugs it is their body and their decision! End of! :cool: Unfortunately the Government don't think so and in doing so allow criminals to sell other substances that are not what an individual may require thus putting that persons health at risk!

This argument can not be won so I put this argument to an end!

Garinda's a twit, well he certainly has more between his ears than you and it certainly hasn't been addled by experimenting with drugs

mobertol 04-03-2012 13:47

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 974863)
The more I watch the more attractive Meg becomes, I think she must be addictive.

Take care Less, love is a drug;):D

accyman 04-03-2012 13:58

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 974902)
Garinda's a twit, well he certainly has more between his ears than you and it certainly hasn't been addled by experimenting with drugs


when he said twite i dont think he was aiming for twit jay lol ;)

just think less "it" and more "at" Lol :)

yahoo news have brought up this subject today after areas of england are no go areas because armed drug gangs run them.I dont think legalising drugs would help the situation at all these thugs would just find some other illicit trade to shoot each other over.Mind you the bill to the nhs would sky rocket with people wnating to get clean where as now in a lot of cases a much cheaper option of them dying in a gutter through their own stupidity works fine.

kestrelx 04-03-2012 14:14

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
I can't even be bothered reading it all any more!!!

I tell you what the most dangerous thing is - PEOPLE! People are the most dangerous things on this planet more dangerous than DRUGS - illegal drugs, if they are infact that dangerous!! That is "Illegal drugs being; a drug that has been deemed too harmful for human consumption!



Tenacious D - Jack Black on LSD - YouTube

It's a waste of time argueing about this subject! You have your opinions which will never be changed even though you are conditioned by the "powers that be" and you don't even know why you think what you think! You are conditioned OK!

mobertol 04-03-2012 14:16

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 975015)
you don't even know why you think what you think!

Do you? Does anyone, I wonder...:rolleyes::D

kestrelx 04-03-2012 14:43

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 975016)
Do you? Does anyone, I wonder...:rolleyes::D

Everybody is conditioned by their parents , school the media and so on! What you, I and others think about many things may not "reality" but just opinions that may not be actually fact! This is the situation with some drugs that are currently illegal!

David Nutt's Blog: Evidence not Exaggeration

Professor Nutt asks for Evidence not Exaggeration! No doubt there will be more posts with childish comments in reaction to this post!

By the way I posted the Jack Black clip about LSD because it is funny.

kestrelx 04-03-2012 14:48

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 974799)
Easily sorted.

Instead of a brain addled numpty, be a man of your word.

Recently, you publicly stated you were leaving this forum for good.

But yet....

Here you are.

I'd be so ashamed.

I've never gone back on my word.

Have you forgotton you said that? More than once actually.

Is it to do with the short-term memory loss, brought on by years of taking illegal drugs?

If I ever get in such a state, please, someone, shoot me

up.

Bla bla bla! I said I was going to leave because you kept bringing up my brother and his activities some years ago! You did this obviously as a deliberate wind-up... why else did you mention my brother on at least one other occasion if not to cause a reaction. This is what Trolling is - someone who posts to antagonise; which you have done and you know you do it.

Your a pratt and I don't care how much Karma you have and how many people will back you up - you can't make decent comments so you basically are snidey to get a reaction! You have said several times cannabis leads to heroin addiction which is not correct!

accyman 04-03-2012 14:52

Re: Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?
 
professor nutt isnt the best name i would choose to have speaking on anything

not that i agree or disagree with his comments as i havnt read them yet but the first thing that entered my mind was the nutty proffessor lol


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