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Kestrelx, in your list you missed out The OX, John Entwistle, of The Who. Heart Attack, due to Cocaine and Kurt Cobain, Gun shot wound.
Seeing there was no Autopsy performed by the French on Jim Morrison, I would be interested how you know he was into alcohol, instead of strong drugs. |
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With reference to Jim Morrison, despite the Doctor saying it was a "Heart failure", the suspicion has always been a overdose of some illegal Drug both Cocaine & Heroin have been mentioned in various recountings by different individuals. Still nothing was substantiated, so the Death of Morrison will always be an enigma.
But judging by his past behaviour it is more than likely that it was Drug related, if not the actual cause it was certainly instrumental in his demise. |
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Member since 2006, wow how time flys. Comments re the "Click" word, I have gone through this before, its always denined, but when you are no longer a newcommer, you will see exactly what I mean. ;) Some people get so upset about it they even deduct Karma when you mention the word "Click" or cliques.:dummy2: :D. |
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The clique accusation always crops up when someone, usually a newcomer but not always, realises that theirs is the minority viewpoint. It's basically a defence mechanism. :rolleyes: Funny how we get other new members joining without all this fuss and bother. DaveinGermany, Gordon Booth, Alan Verrachia, JCB and many others have all joined in the last 12 months and are now busy agreeing, disagreeing, taking the mick and doing all the other things that Accywebbers do. Admittedly, JCB had a bit of a torrid initiation, but he stood his ground, hung around and sussed out the somewhat off-beat humour of the forum and now rubs along with the rest of us. As for whining about karma, get real! The karma system is an integral part of Accyweb - you can add or subtract karma without revealing your identity and the more karma you have, the more you can add/subtract to someone else. All perfectly legitimate, as agreed by the creators of Accyweb. If you don't like it, take it up with them or ship on out! Now, Mr D, kestrelx, RHFOY and all other clique/karma conspiracy theorists, repeat after me - "it's just words on a computer screen, it's not real life!" ;) |
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I cant remember whining about Karma? I like the Karma Facility, its adds a little spice.;) |
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When I became a student I was put through an initiation which was viscious, sadistic and downright degrading- a few couldn't take it, the rest of us survived and were gradually accepted. The next year it was OUR turn!
Don't know about a 'clique' but you do put some new members through a 'baptism of fire' which perhaps not everyone can handle. I wonder if some people join and are frightened off from joining in or staying in-as they say on the films 'be gentle with me'. |
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If there is a clique on Accyweb can I join please, I'm sure Cashy Less and Garinda will be interested too:D:D
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No, you weren't whinging about the karma system, that accolade must go your fellow clique theorists, kestrelx and RHFOY! |
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There is no clique . Once I strongly thought there was . Now I know how wrong I was . |
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Things seem to click /clique with some folk quicker than others though thats the problem:rolleyes::D
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Columbia Encyclopedia: Illuminati Top Home > Library > Miscellaneous > Columbia Encyclopedia Illuminati (ĭlū'mĭnā'tī, -nä'tē) [Lat.,=enlightened], rationalistic society founded in Germany soon after 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, a professor at Ingolstadt, having close affinities with the Freemasons and seemingly organized on a Masonic plan. While briefly very popular among German rationalists, it had limited influence. The Roman Catholic Church, which Weishaupt left in his youth and rejoined before his death, condemned the Illuminati; in 1785 the Bavarian government dissolved the organization. It did not long survive. In Spain and Italy in the 15th and 16th cents. the term Illuminati, or Alumbrado, referred to persons claiming direct communion with the Holy Spirit, so asserting that outward forms of religious life are unnecessary. Their claims led to persecution by the Inquisition. Other groups using the name have included the Rosicrucians, and certain followers of Jakob Boehme and Emmanuel Swedenborg. Read more: illuminati: Definition from Answers.com |
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What have I got involved in? I'm getting out of here, I don't want to be in a Dan Brown book!
I need a drink(that's just to keep us on thread). |
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Here we go again::D
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I, you might shoot yourself in the foot if your not careful ,mind you if you do that it will be a bullet through the head because its usually in your mouth.;):)
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Incidentally, who am I trying to win brownie points from? Oh yeah, I forgot, the other members of the clique! :D |
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Me angry! i am not the one who has been banging on about a clique for the past millenia.I am also a newcomer to accyweb but i have found if you talk some sense now and again it helps, and people on here either agree or disagree with you that my friend is how life goes.You cant be right all of the time, that is a fact! But as the old saying goes "you cant put owt in a full bucket".:p
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If I'd thrown my toys out of my pram everytime someone was sarcastic towards me or called me a plonker (sometimes with good reason!), I'd have flounced off from here years ago! |
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Fears over new legal party drugs that are 'as dangerous as cocaine' | Mail Online
If legal drugs can do this to young people, we don't need to add to the problem legalising illegal ones:( |
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I know I would sooner my children Smoke Weed than take any of this legal stuff. I Love this quote from the Mail. 'We must however put more responsibility on parents to know what their children are up to and penalise them too to get messages home.' Fines Perhapse.:rolleyes: What a load of rubbish. |
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Cannabis (sativa) Hemp is the type grown for industrial use, the type your after is Cannabis (Indica) Which on the other hand is not as versatile & really has only one specific application. ;)
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Please can we keep this thread on topic or it will have to be closed.
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DId anyone see the program on BBC3 lastnight?
Cannabis - Whats the harm. BBC - BBC Three Programmes - Cannabis: What's the Harm? Quite a intresting watch. |
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Especially those interviewed in various U.S. states who were legally prescribed it medically. In most cases for made up ailments, they admitted. Next week looks interesting too. Featuring those who say their lives have been harmed by it. |
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Aye sat & watched it but had a bit of a difficult time of comprehending some of those interviewed & their attitudes. As to the youngster of 14 & his paranoia, so this is modern Britain & the modern way is it ?
Well you're welcome to it, it holds no appeal for me ! |
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You do get the feeling that the real reason most people use it, isn't for medical reasons.
Well unless not wanting to cope with the realities of the world has been classified as a disease. :rolleyes: YouTube - Afroman - Because I Got High |
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As long as its not biast and the Positive sides are given also or at least the true dangers. It would be very intersting if someone who had no idea about cannabis and alchol to be given TRUE facts and then asked which one they think is illegal.;) |
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Not even water, coffee, tea, juice, milk.:p |
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So the wine Jaysay mentions sometimes is just a mouthwash - sipped but not swallowed;)
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post#158- "I don't drink at all these days, except a bottle of wine at weekends, I do have a case of larger in but I've probably had the odd can, I'm just not a home boozer" The communion wine he takes doesn't count either:rolleyes: |
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How long did you sup 70+ Pints a week for? |
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I also believe if you work hard then you should be allowed to poision yourself how you feel as long as it doesnt affect/harm others. |
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Ya but drug addicts don't work hard do they, and before you go off on one people have more chance of becoming addicts using so-called "Soft" drugs than people drinking beer do of becoming alcoholics |
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Why has this thread turned into personal attacks. Just because someone does not agree with you, you do not need to resort to character assassination.
I could not agree more with Jay, have seen the effects of hard drugs on friends and there is a good reason why it is illegal. To be fair I got hammered on the local rocket fuel here in khazakstan last night and have no after effects. Let's play the game and not the player |
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probably cos some people never think their wrong.
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I presume this is aimed at me? if so can you explain where the above has taken place? We where discussing Soft Drugs (Cannabis)/ Vs Alcohol and IMO the chances of becoming a Hard Drug Addict or Alcoholic are about the same its down to the individual. My total rubbish statement was aimed at the fact Jaysays comment that "How do I know because I have never come accross an alcholic who drank only beer" (IMO 10 pints of beer a day every day is Alcoholism/Alcoholic). Also the Comment -"Ya but drug addicts don't work hard do they" I bet the City Boys on Good money and celebs ect, are sniffing Coke left right & centre. I have also seen the effects of Alcohol on friends and there is a good reason why it is legal.;) And BG I always play the game.:D |
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For the record I was not referring to any one person.
If you read through the last few pages it seem like there has been some hangbags at Dawn. That's not exactly cricket |
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Any substance is dangerous if used in the wrong way......even water......you can die from water intoxication, though it isn't common.
I am from a nursing background and regularly saw young people who had smoked cannabis, suffering from mental illness.......yes I also saw folk who had misused alcohol and had liver disease.......and I'm not being 'fly' when I say this....you can get a liver transplant(OK, it isn't the easiest thing in the world, and in my opinion, it shouldn't happen if the disease is alcohol induced)......this type of mental illness can only be managed. Ask me if I would use cannabis for recreational purposes and the answer would be 'absolutely not'.......I drink alcohol very rarely too. it is,(again, my opinion only) people with sad lives and poor imaginations who need to rely on recreational drugs to get their 'highs' in life. |
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A lot of "Legal Substances" could be seen to give a "high". Caffine, Tobacco. |
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Well, you know that no-one can be 100% sure of very many things in life........all I can say was that in the patients that I came into contact with, there was no history or evidence of mental illness before they started using recreational drugs. I have stated my opinion on alcohol....and I have already said that even water can be dangerous if it is misused. Tobacco is addictive but the government make lots of money from the taxation of this product....so although they pay a lot of lip service to getting people to stop using it, they don't really mind if they don't.......the same with alcohol. As for Caffeine, it is relatively innocuous........you would have to drink an awful lot of coffee, tea or cola to suffer any serious or lasting effects(unless you are allergic to it). People always throw in the comments about alcohol, tobacco and less frequently caffeine.........but they are just red herings in the argument about the use of recreational drugs.....some of the newer ones we aren't sure of the long term effects, or the efffects on future generations. The use of drugs(even soft drugs) is strongly linked to other criminal behaviour. If you think these drugs are so safe. let me ask you this....would you let your children use them? We let children drink Tea and coffee and cola drinks. As I say, I base my opinions on what I have seen in a long nursing career, not necessarily research papers, because I know that reseach can be skewed to say what the researcher wants it to prove. |
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Caffeine, is now not just in coffee ect you can get super energy drinks. with 500 milligrams of caffeine in. Just for the Children. I would let my chldren do what they like when they are at suitable age - 18+. (I May advise but never command). Education is the key with the kids. As for recreational drugs I would only put Cannabis in this area and thats been around for a Long, Long Time, I have NO interest in the other Class A (Man Made) drugs. Alcohol is NO red Hering its dangeress (IMO). |
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I am pleased you think my answer is a good one, and I do not expect anyone to agree with my point of view. We are all exposed to experiences in life, these are the things that make us have the views we possess....views can change too, as our experiences change.
My views were formed as a result of a long time in the profession I chose to follow, and are carefully considered.(I wish I could package these experiences and give them out freely to teenagers who are tempted by the drug culture.....by the temptation of what they see as a safe 'high') Yes, I am aware of the drinks that are supposed to give you a lift.......and as far as I am aware they are not suitable for children. You are also right about education being the Key.......but you fail to mention that children, even those who are educated to the risks, sometimes will take those risks because of either peer pressure, or they feel(much like a road accident)...that won't happen to me. I have(in my work) seen people who have started off on Cannabis and then progressed to 'hard' drugs......and their lives have taken a downward spiral. Parents have a big influence in how their children face the dangers that the world holds, by how they(the parents) behave. And Yes, I do know that you can be good parents and you can see your child make decisions that you have no control over, which are harmful to their life.....and which they didn't learn at home. When that happens you just have to be there for them, but tough love is required....and that is the hardest part. |
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You right about the energy drinks, not for children, but I have heard thats its becoming popular with them.
Peer presure is a killer, I know I have cercumed to this myself and its very hard to be the odd one out, BUT I would hope/wish that when my kids are older they have already been educated enough to make the right desicion or atleast know what to expect and how to stay safe and be comfortable to talk to me about it. All drugs/Alcohol could be seen to lead to stronger things. I have a argument that Alcohol (Going Out) would lead to stronger drugs more than smoking cannabis would. Just to re add - I do not wish drugs, Inc Cannabis to be Legalised. Just to be looked at in a more pro active way. |
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The only advantage for the user of hard drugs, to them being legalised is that these drugs would not be 'cut' with stuff like vim or talcum powder....this would make them less hazardous, but just as addictive, therefore just as dangerous.......and if they were legalised then the government would surely put a hefty tax on them.
The other apsect would be that it would take dealers out of the loop......but I am not convinced that this would lead to less criminal activity.....users would still need to fund their habit. Educate your children well, and tell them it is better to be a monkey than a sheep(that is....don't follow the herd......think and act for yourself, not because your crowd want you to do what they are doing). I do hope that makes sense. |
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John, I'm not on anything other than leaf tea...strong, hot and sweet(just how I like my men......that'll get Mancie at it :D)and an occasional biscuit!
I have enough stuff in my life to keep me high. And Yes, I do know your question wasn't directed at me...but I couldn't help it!:) |
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