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Of course you're allowed an opinion, just so long as you keep it to yourself.
:)

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Ya funny there are people who don't practice what they preach BG they usually call them BGBs :rolleyes:

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Cheers lads, I'll keep stum in future, for fear of upseting the |red K brigade!

Jay, i take it you mean big... ... ... not Boeing guy bashers:D

Back on thread, well sort of, I wonder what drugs William Shatner (Capt Kirk) took when he recorded this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Ar79f8aN8

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Beatles must of had some heavy stuff. I never had that kind of experience depicted in the video.

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May I speak as a scientist for a moment, rather than as a person with any sort of axe to grind?

Any substance we put into our bodies, be it food, alcohol, pharmaceuticals, whatever, has an effect on our system in complex biochemical ways. Some as we can see are more harmful than others in their outcomes and have therefore been restricted or banned by authority. Others are seen as benign and help us to function but we do not know that there are no hidden dangers lurking in the daily fuel we take in as food and drink. And sugar is but one of these items that we consume on a regular basis.

Rather than castigating someone for pointing out that a person on a TV show mentioned that sugar can be harmful, it might be better if folks took more interest in the science behind such claims, kept a more open mind, and didn't come out with the usual kneejerk reactions.

Research on sugar has been done and is ongoing:

Sugar addiction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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seeing this was a thread about the Legalisation of illegal drugs, maybe it would be better if we got back to the case in point.
Here is a report the United Nations have prepared on the effects the Drugs Trade and the taking of said drugs causes to the community at large.

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/technical_s...98-01-01_1.pdf

anyway, I now know who decided I was being Personal and offensive towards Kestralx, even though he decided to attack first:D
Just for the record, I have no hidden agenda, no axe to grind etc, I do have an opinion, you may not like it, but please don't not for one minute think that any attack at myself, personal or otherwise will be ignored.
I will of course not stoop so low :o everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

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Yeah, yeah we can all google stuff about sugar, point is that your friend openly admitted to driving around the lake district under the influence of a mind altering substance and then tried to muddy the issue by banging on about sugar and fruit machines being addicitve.

Not one single person has had a 'knee jerk' reaction or disagreed that sugar is addictive... the reactions have been to insults, trash talk, rank stupidity and irrelevant argument

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I once tried going cold turkey in an attempt to cure my addiction for water.
The withdrawal symptoms were horrendous, I did find that diluting it with copious amounts of alcohol made me tolerant to it's effects.

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Now then, lets look at your sentence & break it down into its relevant aspects ................ :D

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Allow me a moment of a pedantic nature, it should be smilie face before dots except after rant. (though there are some that claim it isn't a true rant if you include a smilie face).

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Pedantry noted & ignored Sir. I think you'll find decorum & etiquette dictate that said smiley face should follow elongated punctuation points to infer a pause prior to cheeky grin, denoting also non serious nature of reprimand, a virtual, genteel rap across the knuckles so to speak. ;)

Still, if you're off your face, who gives a rodents rectum ? :D

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Excuse me. That should be "tapstery": the art of drawing strong drink.;):thepint:

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I kinda like people who send you messages without signing them, as for birdbrain, if he carries on posting crap I'll keep telling him and that ain't abuse, unless the truth hurts that is, for the time being spin on it;)

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With ya Jay, no doubt we will be getting a flood of Red...
It is rather childish really, if I ever give any, there's always a first, I will sign it

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Ha ha ha - ignorance!

This is one I made earlier...:)

The Ohmbudsmen - Ohm the Aum - YouTube

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Water is not harmful - the issue is that sugar does kill people but is slower at doing it than some drugs like heroin. However the point is very few can totally stop eating sugar - so it is a drug but we are so reliant on it we are prepared to ignore the damage it does.

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Nope. Sugar is not a drug.

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There is a lot of it about if you google it. People trying to get sugar listed as a drug due potential harm it can have on the body blahdeyblah

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A drug is described as:
A substance that has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body, in particular.


So while Caffeine is a drug, one I enjoy a lot in fresh coffee, I fail to see sugar as one. Even the highly refined stuff we have in our foods.

This doscussion has been going on for 95 pages now and we are still bickering, I have had enough, I will not post again on this topic.

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If one lists "sugar" as a drug, then why not sulphuric acid? Here we see a very broad definition of "drug": something that has the potential to cause harm.:rolleyes: What a crock of horse manure!

In fact, this whole discussion is a complete waste of time, fit only to put on display some rather amusing prejudices. Most folks are arguing, not on the basis of some reasoned definition of what a "drug" is, but from idiotsyncratic;) prejudices which they assume, for some strange reason, are generally shared. Most seem to be approaching "drug" in the same way that the blind men did the elephant.

John Godfrey Saxe: The Blind Men and the Elephant

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OK sugar isn't a drug? but it's certainly not benign - this sounds a bit like a drug to me:

A 2008 study noted that sugar affects opioids and dopamine in the brain, and thus might be expected to have addictive potential. It referenced bingeing, withdrawal, craving and cross-sensitization, and gave each of them operational definitions in order to demonstrate behaviorally that sugar bingeing is a reinforcer. These behaviors were said to be related to neurochemical changes in the brain that also occur during addiction to drugs. Neural adaptations included changes in dopamine and opioid receptor binding, enkephalin mRNA expression and dopamine and acetylcholine release in the nucleus accumbens.


Avena NM, Rada P, Hoebel BG. Evidence for sugar addiction: behavioral and neurochemical effects of intermittent, excessive sugar intake. Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2008;32(1):20-39. Epub 2007 May 18.

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OK they can both cause harm but that's not the definition of a drug.

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Best watch out. The police are watching!

Nah I agree. This thread has gone on too long. Though I find the discussion of sugar and its effects on the body interesting its entry in this thread is... well Its a debate not worth having anymore

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See #1418 ...That was what was on my mind.

And you might agree that a liking for fats and sugars constitutes a survival advantage; and has, therefore, more to do with evolution than it has with addiction. There again, you might not;)

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Yeah, I think I've had enough too. But I'll take one last kick at the cat, just for the halibut. Certain drugs, the "soft" ones, will be decrimminalized. Just a question of the law catching up with what's going on. I've seen a lot of changes in my life. I remember when the good ol' boys in the pointy white hats was a'lynchin niggas in Mississippi. I remember when homosexuality was illegal. And I live in a time when the President of the United States of America is a black man, and the Premier of Ontario is an openly gay woman, legally married to her partner. So, some significant modifications to overly restrictive and outdated drug laws that are becoming way too expensive to police are inevitable.

I remember being at a party one time. I was looking at the album cover for Peter Tosh's "Legalize It". Buddy of mine, even more stoned than I was, looked at it and said something like, "Legalize it hell, subsidize it" :theband: Ok. Maybe that's going way too far:D The times they are a'changin', folks. Perhaps not in ways that we expected, or that we would have hoped for. But the barriers against responsible use, subject to law, of drugs for recreational purposes will come down like the Berlin wall. And tell me that wasn't a shocker to those of us who grew up in the Cold War era.;)

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Quite right Eric and I haven't used it for years

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I'm with you BG it won't be long before the usual suspects will be trying to tell us that eating cornflakes is addictive, and for heavens sake lay of the raspberry jam its the new heroine:rolleyes:

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Woman in NZ dies from drinking Coke after being addicted and drinking up to 10 litres a day...

The coroner calculated that drinking 10 litres (17.5 pints) of Coke amounted to more than 1kg (2.2lb) of sugar and 970mg of caffeine, Television New Zealand (TVNZ) reports.

This is twice the recommended safe limit of caffeine and more than 11 times the recommended sugar intake.

BBC News - Coca-Cola drinking 'linked to New Zealander's death'

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Hardly what I'd call a typical or scientific example though is it?

More like tabloid sensationalism that some tend to use as poor examples for their weak arguments.
:o

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And so your point is, if you drink that amount of water a day you'll end up with the same result, death

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Errr no, that's your point.

I give up :confused::confused::confused::confused:

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Susie, Google 'Death by water intoxication'.
One woman died after drinking 2x2litre bottles quickly.

So 10 litres of Coke- yes an excess of sugar and caffeine wouldn't help but neither would 10 litres of water.
An excess of anything can be harm full and kill but that doesn't make it a drug.
You need salt but try swallowing a packet or being shipwrecked and having to drink sea water and see where you end up.

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Well I would, your certainly not winning any arguments by keep backing up a druggie with any clap trap that he tries to justify is predilections with

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I did exactly that Gordon, that has been known about for yonks.

My frustration is with folks who don't see that things like sugar (not just sugar, note) have an effect on the body above and beyond their role (questionable in any case) in nutrition. The physiological effects can be hard to grasp from the scientific literature but yes I would go so far as to call them drugs.

Anyway as this thread is about illegal drugs I had better shut up or get back to that subject or who knows where I'll end up.

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That as been the point all along, but as I said earlier, there are those who try and justify drug taking by linking other LEGAL SUBSTANCES

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Try eating 11 times your nutritional requirement of steak every day and see what that does to you. Try taking deep breaths 11 times as fast as you should and see how long before you pass out. Steak isn't a drug, neither is air.
If sugar is a drug how come people can cut it out and use sweeteners with no problems? I couldn't just stop smoking( although I could try sucking sweeteners instead?)

Loosing?

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Arrgghh!! this is getting silly. Of course I wouldn't say that steak is a drug but we're talking about effects on the body with things like sugar that go far deeper than nutrition as I said before. I'm not trying to brag or be a clever clogs but I do have a PhD in sugar chemistry so please grant me a little insight.

And we're talking here about the effects far above those seen with the recommended daily intake of such things.

BTW looking at some of the none too pretty sights wandering the streets I'm beginning to wonder if steak etc is not a drug for some folks! :rolleyes:

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It's not their fault, susie. They didn't know they were eating horse meat!

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Phew!! Thank you Gordon for that bit of light relief!

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Susie has her own opinions. She ain't 'backing him up' and with her background she has more sensible things to input in a stupid bull**** thread such as this than most users seem to have. (see my posts for example)

There really is no need to keep calling him a druggie. He has said he is no longer a drug user more than once.

On a lighter note. How the hell does someone drink 10 litres of coke a day? geeeeese

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while he keeps justify the taking of illegal substances for kicks and carries on trying to prove his point by using clap trap so be it, like they say an alcoholic is only one drink away from rejoining the ranks same goes for drugs

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I used to smoke. Using your argument, am I still a smoker?

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He talks of past experiences and yeah he has some off the wall opinions and ideas about drugs and IMO weak arguments for the use of them. I have suggested again and again that this subject should be moved to 18+ if the "this is a family forum" is to be applied. I also agree that kesx should restrain himself a little (like the I drove on acid comment) and think of the idea that this is a family forum.

I don't know much much about alcohol addiction, but it was my understanding that they are always one drink away from becoming an alcoholic again because of the damage it has taken on the body. Damage that a person can never be fully recovered? I have never looked that much into it but if what I believe is to be true then it cannot be applied to drugs on a whole. How can you suggest that all addictions are the same as that of alcohol. Physically and mentally ?

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Stick one in your mouth Michael and it will probably undo all the good work you did by stopping

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Its called the University of life Rob, I've been around a long time and seen to many people in early graves through stupidity, I stopped smoking 35 years ago, if I hadn't I certainly wouldn't have been here today. You would never hear me saying I'm a onetime smoker but I recommend any body to try it, which is basically the theme of this thread from a onetime drug abuser, one of the mates I grew up with, went to his grave at the age of 42 because he couldn't say no to drink. The bottom line is I have no time for people who promote using illegal substances just for kicks, as I've said before I have a cupboard full prescribed drugs just to keep me alive, and some clown wants to promote illegal drugs just for kicks, especially when he uses comparisons like sugar to justify it, sorry its not on

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I agree it does appear a little unfair, would you be happy if we refer to him as a self confessed ex-drug user?

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From my own experience, Michael, yes you are.
Your just not smoking at the moment. Good for you.

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I failed to say that I am addicted to nicotine chewing gum!

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It's certainly politer than some of the names he has been called.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:nice one Michael:D

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Easy, unscrew lid, pour into glass, drink, repeat .......... continuously until required amount is reached. ;)

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No, but you are very susceptible to nicotine! Ny husband gave up smoking in 2000 (he was on 25 Marlborough a day), we went through 2 years of hell with his withdrawal symptoms until it all seemingly calmed down. 7 years ago for a "joke" his boss gave him some chewing tobacco to try (I told him not to but of course he didn't listen...)and he's now been using that for 7 years. To my mind it is worse than smoking the stuff -pretty disgusting to be honest. My point is that like an ex-alcoholic you are are just one step away from being hooked again -so take care! :)

Didn't read through the thread to see about the nicorette gum! :D

You could try alternating with Wrigley's spearmint gum and slowly cut down to zero - you will be hell to live with throughout the process though -warn those who know you! Nicotine affects exactly the same areas of the brain which heroin does...

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I packed up smoking 4 years ago in May and I used a hypnosis tape and nicotine chewing gum to cut down and get onto rolling tobacco then gave that up. I never have cravings for a smoke.

I am not addicted to the gum though - it did help me cut down over several years.:D

Most likely you could say I am addicted to tea, coffee and sugar as I probably couldn't go a day without them, also possibly chocolate. ;)

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Neither.

Posts like jaysays last one is more preferable. Experience and insight more than sniping comments. The latter only brings this subject to go around in circles

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There was a debate about this on the Wright Stuff today about should you discuss illegal drug taking with your kids or ignore it? There has been research done with conflicting conclusions. One woman said she shunned the issue with her son and he ended up dying of a drugs O.D another claimed he did openly discuss drugs with his son and the lad didn't have a problem with them, as the father did.

TV chef Gino D'Acampo admitted dabbling in drugs when he was younger and has discussed the issue with his sons! And his brains don't seem to have been fried! ;)

Gino D'Acampo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Its a pity really that this thread keeps being revisited time and again, one would have thought that it would have run its course, but apparently not, just wondering what mileage some body thinks is still left in this nonsense;)

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The debate goes on but people like you wish to bury your heads in the sand! :( Your the nonsense - you just ignore things you don't want to hear - if you got nowt constructive to say, then say nowt!

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I'll accept your expert knowledge on that.

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OH HUM:rolleyes:

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It's all in the name of the learned professor in the very first post.

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What is:confused:

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I am surprised you ask. Let me put it like this. I once had a workmate who was a little eccentric (no crime in that, we all have our little oddities). One day he happened to mention where he lived: Nutter Street. There was a collective sigh in the office: 'That explains it.';)

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Sane words ... and all of them correct;):hidewall: ... I think all democratic nations have reached the point where the public debate has run its course. The ones totally opposed to legalization will not change their minds; and the ones in favour are equally adamnant. And the ones who don't give a flying-you-know-what ... I'm in this group:D ... will go on merrily flauting or obeying unenforceable laws as they see fit. And, to be honest, I do think that governments, particularly in the US and Europe, have much more important things to occupy themselves with. And the poor sods in Central and South America will continue to suffer until the yanks, who actually control this debate, decide to do the right thing. Wasn't it Churchill who said: "You can always count on the Americans do the right thing once they've tried everything else"? Or something along those lines.

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Ya everything boils down to the Yanks Eric, and as you agree this debate HAS run its course, no matter how many links are entered on here. this is the last time I comment on this tripe, it will end up someone posting to himself

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Ring a ring of roses a racket full of posers, atissue atissue your nose drops off.
That sums up coke, do we have to go round and round for all the other false highs?
Yes, I include booze in that, isn't it time this thread and it's starter were put away?
Lets close the thread, No-one with the smallest amount of sense needs it, the rest are too stoned to read it!

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Why close it? As there is always new information about the subject such as, and this was on the news few days ago - there are 9,000 alcohol related deaths every year in the UK, up 50% since 1990! That is a serious increase.

So the abuse of booze and illegal drugs and newly created illegal highs have increased at the same time (though some research says drug use has fallen) - only difference is - booze is legal and cheap.

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Alcohol related - doesn't necessarily mean the person who died had been using alcohol, making that statement somewhat ambiguous & misleading.

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That's the name of his game Dave:rolleyes:

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at the spar on burnley road the bottles are a bit high up. To get a few of the lovely, lovely desperado's I have to stretch. CRASH went a bottle the last time I went for em and I managed to stop 3 others beer bottles from falling, though, I still witnessed a sad act of sacrilege and I had to drink one less bottle because of it GRRR nevemind the fact that 4 bottles almost fell on my head

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You were lucky.
It could have been ten green bottles!

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A few pages ago there was some discussion, if you can call it that, regarding Sugar and the harm it does....
Interestingly the BBC have this,

BBC One - Bang Goes the Theory, Series 7, Episode 1

Just to add to the debate, this story of a Drug Addict appeared in this weeks Accrington Observer,
Drug addict warns robbery victims: I have got AIDS, now give me your money - Accrington Observer

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Ya recreational drug abusers are a pain in the backside when they turn into brain addled morons :rolleyes:

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Agree - there are enough brain addled morons who aren't addicts ;)

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ya its usually a conspiracy that gives them away:rolleyes:

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Jo Wood, wife of rockstar Ronnie Wood claims she gave drugs to her children and none of them turned out to be addicts in their twenties! Doesn't this tell a lot about the facts about this issue!

See article here;

Jo Wood Defends Admission Of Giving Drugs To Her Children

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Doesn't tell me a lot really just that she is a stupid cow

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I have decided, we need to legalise all illegal drugs, just so we can close down this stupid thread.
Make them legal then idiots like the thread Starter will get stoned and leave the rest of us alone.

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Says more about Jo Wood as a mother, rather than a critique on Drugs. IMHO

I have no issues with anyone who wishes to partake in illicit substances, the problem only arises when other people are invoked and hurt. A addict will resort to Theft, Burglary, Robbery to feed his/her habit.

Then there's the drugs cartels, Medellin comes to mind.


BTW just found this.... Remind you of anyone?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...57028797_n.jpg

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I bet there are plenty of Dutch folk that couldn't find their bikes after the end of WWII.
Probably all got melted down to make classic VW camper vans.

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I have no issues with anyone who wishes to partake in illicit substances, the problem only arises when other people are invoked and hurt. A addict will resort to Theft, Burglary, Robbery to feed his/her habit.

Quite right BG but then we have a clown who use a woman giving her kids drugs to try and placate using these substances. I'm with Less on this its time to close this thread its run its course

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Easily done, quit replying, end of, simple.

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The issue does not go away...More are getting hurt by "legal highs"

What is happening is that "legal highs" are being manufactured - these are chemicals that are not illegal - and are sold on the internet - people still buy them and more people get ill and die. Now if the drugs that we all know like Cannabis, cocaine, ecstacy etc were not illegal then these new "legal highs" would not have a market and there would be less deaths.

Drugs tsar warning on 'legal highs'

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Again a numpty trying to placate his habits divvy

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worst quote ever

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Worst Quoter ever:rolleyes: