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lol Past Campaigns Welcome to The Church of the Militant Elvis Party aka. Bus-Pass Elvis Party

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Go back to sleep your floggin a dead horse

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just shows everything they say is a lie Government borrowing hits April record | Business | The Guardian

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Are you altogether thick or what, we have no bloody money Brown and Darling spent it all and 20 times more, government HAS to borrow just to keep the country going never mind dragging back all the debts that were left behind

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no money, then why add too overseas aid, but then don't expect yeh to comment on that.:rolleyes: or Lord Hanningfield fer that matter, :rolleyes: seems to be plenty of money around fer things that don't affect us.:(

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Which is peanuts compared to brown/darling scorched earth policy last march and April

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so Tory excess is acceptable to you then? sure seems that way.:rolleyes:

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maybe should be a new thread ......... seems the Labour loving/salivating Guardian is now changing its point of view about ( Blacks /Ethnics can do no wrong and are the future of a new multiculture Britain) ) President Mugabe recently had a peon tossed in to the clink for having the teremity use the Presidential 'bog'

In jail: Zimbabwe police sergeant who dared to use Robert Mugabe's loo | World news | The Guardian

yep , agree , before I'm shouted down Thatcher danced with the guy at a Commonwealth Prime Ministers meeting , but this PIG should have been taken out years ago , if Ghadaffi is so bad and 10 Downing St. feel the UK has God on its side ..WHY has HMG taken so long to do something about Mugabe .
Hopefully the local MP who if he can find time in his schedule between attending local council meetings and playing football can find the time to raise a question in the 'House' to ask the Govt ... Why is this guy still in power , and hasn't he done more harm to British intersts in Africa than Ghadaffi ......... why we haven't taken him out ... suggestion to local MP ... check with Accy web member AndrewB/Cyfr , (who has a university education) ... sure he will be able to point out on a map where Zimbawee/Rhodesia is located on a map

just a point ... is there any Labour party member who has been a "VC10er " can explain rationally why any white person would not want use a kaffier bog

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We've always had foreign aid why are the apologist's for Labour now making it an issue:rolleyes:

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Well I'm an apologist for no one, but at a time when we are experiencing savage cuts at home, to massively increase foreign aid is economic madness....and a major own goal politically.

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Must admit it seems so wrong giving away billions in aid when the UK is in such difficult financial straits, I don't care what pap they spout about it being beneficial, if that kind of money is "available" use it to deal with our own internal problems first !

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now they are putting lives at risk in care homes the caring loving tories BBC News - Care Quality Commission has shortage of inspectors

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I reckon you are floggin a dead horse on here.. if this sort of thing had come to light a couple of years ago newspapers would have had five page specials on how the government were destroying social care.. but now you might get a small corner behind katie price and someone killing a cat.
The cavalry will be on soon enough to defend " the indefensible" ;) :D

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yeh got that spot on Mancie.;)

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here we go selling more of the countries assets to their mates buy now pay later sounds familiar Surplus public land to be sold to build 100,000 homes - Telegraph

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just what i predicted a long time ago read the comments as well George Osborne Is Warned By UK's Top Economists To Draw Up An Economic Plan B | Politics | Sky News

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britain finally waking up? UK Polling Report

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The Confederation of British Industry, Organisation for Economic Co-ordination and Cooperation and the G20 all back the deficit reduction plans. It's not a clear cut thing. There's lots of left wing and right wing economists that will argue completely different points of view. It's an art not a science.

I think you sometimes forget that the Coalition are cutting less than 1% per year more than Labour planned. Remember that when you next hear a Labour politician opposing reductions for oppositions sake.

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Is it just me...or do any other members find it irritating to have links posted to newspaper/news channel stories?????....all of course political......with little else in the way of justification or comment.
Lazy posting.

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Mr cameron seemed happy enough when i saw him in ibiza this week.No worries what so ever, was lookin totally chilled hope he has recharged his batteries for all the hard work to come.

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I wonder if shares on the open market for Mr and Mrs Balls & Co. and the elfin Eagle twins would sell? I doubt it.:)

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and the reason is we cant afford to pay it now because of tory policy they are paying out more in redundancy payments than it would have cost to keep people t in employment its like cutting off your nose to spite your face;)

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Agreed.

Fine if you're giving a link that will further illustrate something you've just posted, or as a source of additional information.

Boring as hell, when it simply says...

'Look. Same as what what I fink'
www.sameoldboringpoliticalslant.com

We are all able to go and read newspapers, or browse other sites, if we so wish.

:rolleyes:

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good to read that G...thought it was just me being 'picky'.

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No, not just you.

:D

I never click them anyway.

I just guess at their gist.

:rolleyes:

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so if your not interested in politics why post at least jay say has a debate;)

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
good to read that G...thought it was just me being 'picky'.

Totally agree, so no not just you.

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If you actually offer a considered opinion, I will debate with you.

By debate, I mean tie you up in little knots, and then wipe the floor with you.

I have no intention of wasting my time, debating with what some journalist has written.

;)

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Very easy to make statements like 'we can't afford to pay it now because of tory policy'. The statement is absolute rubbish, but very easy to make.

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Exactly....a debate.
This does not consist of posting a one liner, followed by a link to either a newspaper, a news channel or some government survey......that is not debate(it doesn't even come close to it). It is lazy posting.
If you have something to say about the link(which if you post a link, it would be safe to assume you found it telling in some way) then you should have the decency to give some kind of opinion of what you have posted.
I am interested in politics,(non partisan) but not in contentious, attention grabbing(for attentions sake) headlines.

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Must be oddly comforting, living in an unreal world, where everything is simply black and white.

'Them always bad.'

'Us always good.'

When the blinkers are off, you actually see that things aren't like that at all.

It's just one big gray kaleidoscope, of varying hues.

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You're the one who's not interested in politics in the real sense of the word...ie the discussion and exploration of various ideals and policies from all parts of the political spectrum. All you want to do is ram mindless Labour party propaganda down our throats, with the proviso that anybody who dares to disagree with you is a Tory. As Accyweb is home to a large number of political free thinkers, you've come to wrong place! ;)

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Hooray.......I would give you Karma for that if I could.
Succinct and to the point. I like it.

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Incidentally, Margaret, you're right on the money about the tediousness of just posting links and saying (in effect) "told you so." Karma sent.

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I noticed the same chap never bothered when Gordon and Tony were destroying the country, the only reason he uses links from newspapers is because he's not very bright and can't think of arguments for himself, I just ignore the buffoon now, and he's a jock to boot

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I know and to think there was a wall to keep them out as well, but it fell into disrepair due to government cuts:D:D

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Ya them bloody Tories have no sense have they, should at least keep the kilt wearers firmly where they belong:D

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It is Ok John, when the kilt wearers get independence, they will rebuild it to keep us on this side of it.:)

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All we needed to do was charge em to come in:D:D:D that would definitely keep em on their side of the wall :hidewall::hidewall::stop::stop:

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see you still cant defend the tories record in the last 13 months .go on give me a debate what tory policy has benefited you :confused:

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and heres another cock up;) Charity numbers fall leaving 'big society' pledge under threat | Society | The Guardian

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You are still doing it...posting links with one liners.
You want a debate about what good the Tories have done in 13 months........I do not like mud slinging type arguments/discussions, harping back to the past....but in this instance I really do not have a choice.
The last 13 months the coalition government(not the tories) have been trying to clear up the mess left by 13 years of labour chucking money about like it was falling from the sky as rain.
You think that 13 months is time enough to put things right do you? From where I am sitting it seems like you have the better end of the deal here.....free prescriptions, free university tuition, free care for the elderly.
SUMO! (shut up-move one) and I mean that most respectfully. We all have to suffer these privations because of bad financial policy - no regulation of the banking industry - the sale of gold reserves at a time when we didn't actually need the money....by a Labour chancellor...just in case you are in any doubt......of course there were global influences in force too, but they were not the whole story.......and the Labour givernment knew about these 7 months before they actually let on or did anything at all about it.
The open door policy of the Labour government let in people who should not be here.......who have claimed money from the communal pot.
I could go on and on.

And Mancie if you are reading this....these observations do not make me a tory or even anti labour, they just make me someone who can see both sides of the situation.....non partisan....one of those floating voters that the parties all cosy up to.

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Thank goodness somebody with no political allegiance has pointed it out AGAIN, maybe just maybe this guy may just get it in time, but I ain't holding my breath

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My income has risen and my rent,gas and electric have all gone down.

There have of course been significant price rises but with cutting out waste and having a stricter management control of my finances I find life is not as bad as the picture you constantly paint.Get a grip.We will get through.:mosher::D:D

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I don't know how you have managed to get cheaper gas,electric and rent in the last year or so :eek:.. but good luck to you:mosher:

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here's a one liner for jock the noo, think he might be interested

BBC News - IMF says no changes are needed to UK economic policy

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If the coalition government hadn't taken the financial steps that they did, then we would have found ourselves in a similar position to Ireland...with out credit rating downgraded......we really would be in the doo doo then.

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A little note on the IMF sturdyblog

Best Regards - Taggy

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Ya but its a better Idea listening to the IMF than the bleatings of Ed Balls any day.;)

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The IMF :D... all of a sudden this government have managed to dig up some IMF forecast that states economic growth is being slowed down by these across the board cuts... the IMF have made reports every 6 months for decades and always like cuts by any government in the western world.. what pathetic attempt by the ConDems to reassure people in this country that we have to take the pain of these savage cuts aimed at the less well off, the sick and the old... wake up man!

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And were do you get this information from?.. can you show any real evidence that this country would have been in the same position as Ireland?...you seem unable to grasp the concept that every single advance economy in the world has suffered a global recession over the last 4yrs or so... this country was emerging out of that recession in 2010 along with Germany and France, but the policies of this government that are based purely on ideology are cutting growth, cutting standards of living and cutting jobs.
Margaret I reckon you have lived through a few governments wether tory labour and now these condems..(well maybe two) do you really believe this government ?

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and where is the boss of the imf yes in custody accused of rape what a shady bunch you should trust if they were doing their job properly we wouldnt be in this mess;)

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Mancie...please do not put words into my mouth that I haven't said.
I said that Britain would be in a similar position to Ireland(that, believe it or not is a bit different)...and what I meant by that is that we would (like Ireland) have had our credit rating downgraded...this would mean that we would not be allowed to borrow money at the rates we are borrowing at now......the international community would charge us much more for the money they doled out.

I know all about the global recession which was precipitated in America with toxic loans and the banks taking on dire risks without thinking of what would happen if the worst came to the worst(which it did)......and I did actually point that out in an earlier post.
As for us emerging out of the recession...I think that is an optimistic politically enhanced view. You are believing what the Labour spin docotors tell you.

I can only tell you that my views on the financial state of this country are as I have stated before........we, as a country spent money foolishly...money that we didn't have. Money that now has to be found from somewhere.

Please believe me....if the Labour party had got back into power, they would be making the same kind of swingeing cuts, despite their claims to the contrary.....the thing about being in opposition is that you can say anything you damn well like ....it is never going to be tested....and they know that.....and they think we are fool enough not to know that.

I know that if I go to Tesco and try to buy my groceries and cannot pay the bill .......then I have to do without something.......and that something might be sorely missed...but I cannot have what I cannot pay for.
As a country we are in the same kind of situations...we cannot have what cannot be funded.

As I also said in a previous post, 13 months is not long enough to clear up the financial mess that was left by the previous incumbents.

The International Monetary fund seem to think that what is being done in the way of reining in spending, is the right way to go.........and for governments, these are the guys that have to be pleased.....they are the ones who hold the international purse strings.

I do not care about the colour of the shirt the government wears......it matters not one jot to me whether we have Labour, Tory Lib Dems...or a group of monkeys running the country, as long as they can sort out the problems that we are beset by.

I don't quite know how many times I have to tell you this to be believed...and it is getting tedious. I have NO POLITICAL ALLEGIANCE.

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Good God.............how many straws do you need to suck on?:rolleyes:

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Sorry for such a long ungainly post.
I had to do it!

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Yes it was long.. and you could have simply said you think this government will do a better job than the last one.. but you insist on talking to us as if we are little kids who know nothing of economics.. Tesco?.. you remind me of another Margaret from the 80's who spoke down to the country .. her economics was based on slicing a pie and long drawn out speeches basically telling the population how stupid they must be not to understand..rubbish :)

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See...you are doing it again......Unless of course the text you are reading is different to what I posted.
Nowhere did I say that I think this government will do a better job than the last one.

If i talk to you like you a little child(a kid is a baby goat) who understands nothing about economics, then that might have something to do with the demonstration of your understanding in your posts.

If you showed some sense instead of just spouting political dogma then perhaps things might be different.
And just because I remind you of Margaret Thatcher does not mean that I am like her.
I'm not sure if I should be flattered or insulted. How about if I let you choose?

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Well maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick :confused:.. but to a neutral I'd say that it's pretty clear you regard this government as more able than the last lot..and I'm in no doubt you could go "on and on"..:)

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Do I?????
Where does it actually say that?
I didn't vote...for any of them as I feared that they were sending boys to do a man's job.
(I discount Gordon Brown, because if the Labour party had gained a victory then I am pretty sure he would have been replaced).
I was actually trying to point out the failings of the last government.......and had I gone into them all it would have been longer.
Nowhere have I passed any judgement on this coalition government...either negative or positive.

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Anyway, now you have offended me...I am going to burger off.

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Not like you Mancie to throw the towel in :mosher:

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He hasn't really thrown the towel in...he has just gone off to regroup......and to find some other barb to stick in my hide.:)
As if comparing me to Margaret Thatcher isn't enough!

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"If the coalition government hadn't taken the financial steps that they did, then we would have found ourselves in a similar position to Ireland...with out credit rating downgraded......we really would be in the doo doo then."

I'd say that was a positive for this government..and fair enough.. but please don't give us all a lecture on how bad the last lot were..

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The comparison to Thatcher is as far as you regard cuts as the best way to recovery .. I don't.. and that is all.

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That wasn't an opinion, it was fact.
You are being pedantic...reading into my posts what you want to see.
I don't need to give anyone a lecture(which I wasn't doing anyway....just pointing out salient facts)we are living with the results of the last government.....painful isn't it?

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Again....I didn't actually say that.
I said that we couldn't buy what we couldn't afford. I didn't say I approved of the cuts.

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the imf has downgraded the growth for britain but says the goverments policies are right. dont make sense.

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And you can't explain away your insult in such a blase fashion either.

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It would be useless to explain it to you. Mancie would think I was lecturing again!
If I could lecture, I'd be doing it for money.

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Do you regard it an insult when I compare you to Thatcher?... why is that?.. she had the same sort of outlook you seem to have.. as in cuts to everything are a necessity we all have to suffer because of the last government..anyone alive in the 80's knew that as a basic policiy of the tories..you seem to agree with that policiy so why should you think it as an insult?:rolleyes:

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now the imf are telling the goverment to cut taxes. i think everyones been a bit premature in listening to the lazy journalists in this country;)so here whats been said economic growth downgraded ,cut taxes but hey increasing poverty for people who are working is ok:confused: temporary tax cuts inject money borrow more thats what the imf really said sounds familiar;)

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when you look at this chart it seems weve all been victims of scaremongering lying lazy press;)

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Tax cuts have always been used to create growth in the economy and could be used again..tax cuts cause even more inflation.. at this time I think it would be a good idea.. but this lot should look at cutting the 20% VAT.. and cutting tax on fuel and domestic use..I don't think they will do it because the only agenda is to let prices rocket and hope for the best.. same as usuall.;)

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To be fair to margaret i think you need a visit to specsavers because you seem to be reading something totally different to what i am seeing.She seems to be saying that the policies being implemented are the right ones for the situation we find ourselves in , which is a different kettle of fish to all out support for the present government, whoever happened to be in power at this time would have to be doing something similar to try and pull us from the mire , whether they be tory, labour whatever.And before you think i am a blue or red supporter i would like to say i too have no time for any of them really ,i wouldnt trust any of them as far as i could throw them.

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gotta agree wi walkinman, in all his comment.

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Mancie, you are entitled to your opinion.
I don't know how you can judge my outlook...you fail to grasp what it is.
Unless, of course because I criticise the last government you make the assumption that I am in favour of everything that this government(which by the way is not just Tory...it has Lib Dem elements in it...but silly me.....am I lecturing again?)does.
You are sadly deluded. I distrust all politicians. I question what they are doing and why. I read as many newspapers(of all persuasions) as I can.
I think and reason for myself. I do not follow narrow political dogma's or ideologies.
And I can be insulted by your comparing me to Mrs Thatcher because it indicates that you do not believe any of the information I have told you about my lack of political affiliation.
You continue to read into my posts what is not there.
If you took off your pink spectacles you might do better.

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By the way Mancie, putting a smilie after a contentious or insulting comment doesn't make it feel any less insulting.

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And that is were we differ..I don't think the present policies of cut slash burn are good for the future of this country whichever way it is looked at.. some one once said you can judge a country on how they treat the old and sick.. the cuts this government are imposing will affect the old and sick.. to my mind there is not much room to move.. we either take care of our less well off or go headlong into cuts that will destroy the NHS, destroy the already underfunded social care facilities and could wipe out any form of local care.. now can you defend that?

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You tell me what Labour would do then ????? And would it be all that different and be honest!;)

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No..labour have gone and to keep harking back is not good enough..you tell me what this government will do ?

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Its not what they would do its what they are doing rightly or wrongly remains to be seen.And you seem to think wrongly son what would your favourites do???

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Thats nailed it- remains to be seen, my personal opinion is they are cocking it up big time, but thats all it is- my opinion, only time will tell,

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My favourite is anyhing that is not tory.. if you take a look at the political history of this country maybe it will open your eyes.. the tories have done zip ...in over 200yrs they have opposed votes for women, child labour laws, education for all, the NHS, pensions,equal gay rights,.. it's not hard for me to have a favourite when it comes to the government of this country;)

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thats pretty accurate, shame they became ******* just like the tories.

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They need these policies so that the rich don't lose to much for to long, and they don't give a fig for the poor and underprivileged. Just as long as it get's back to them making pots as quickly as poss.
Thats just the way i see it through my poor eyes but fairly intelligent brain.
It's nothing to do with which politcal party does what, but down to personal wealth and how to hang on to it. :confused::confused: Right that's my two penneth.

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Well said young man, truth be told you summed it up in that post:(

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Very true.. and no need to seek more further than the Ossie bod who has benifited more than any other man in the western world from labours chucking money policey at social care.home visits free transport ..all paid for.. but now makes the case that all these "benifits" should be stopped..typical tory

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I'd take the Margaret Thatcher analogy as a compliment.

As much as I detested her politics, she was her own person, took no bull from anyone, and was certainly no one's poodle.

Unlike some of the silly pups on here. Whose bark always mimics their political Master's Voice.

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Oh, how super.

Mancie supports gay rights.

Even if he's prone to come out with homophobic abuse, when he can't think of a better argument in a debate.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Who's that?

Bit hard for them to agree, or disagree, if you don't name them.

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I'm glad you posted a quote Garinda, highlighting what London's Left Wing Clown is posting, I long since put him on my ignore list. But it does beg the question, how some one in London can know so much about another persons lifestyle, or what benefits they are on. I can't actually remember too many people put their life story on here for the world and his wife to read about, I for one have never or will every post anything on here with regards to my personal circumstances apart from the fact, which is well documented that I have serious health problems. The only way people can find out about my personal circumstance is if there is a mole in HBCs benefits department, that could happen surely;)

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Well John...I write a blog. Not that I think Mancie has ever read it. It would give him some insight into the person I am, if he did read it.....it would allow him to see that I am not a bit like Margaret Thatcher in my outlook, but I am a strong woman...because I have had to be...he would also know that I am principled too.
He actually doesn't care much anyway...if you aren't for the Labour flag then you are obviously against it.
What he forgets is that the Labour party today does not equate with the Labour party of the 70's and 80's. It was the Socialist party back then...not a paler version of the tory party it is now. The Tony Blair government was tory in all but name.
This my cue to bow out of this discussion.....I get fed up of talking round in circles.

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As I've said I got fed up with mad mancie ages ago, so I put him on my ignored list, the only way to deal with a bigot, works for me:thumbsup:

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Open my eyes to what? That the tories look after the rich and keep the serfs under the cosh, i know this thank you. You seem to think if someone doesnt agree with you that they are a tory, this in my case is not true as i have already said i have no time for any party. The labour party is no longer a force for the working man and in my opinion has morphed into something akin to a slightly watered down tory clone.The measures being used by this government are draconion i admit and could be wrong that remains to be seen as both cashy and myself have said,but the people to blame are the previous encumbents of number 10 and the bankers they gave free rein too if you cant see that then your more colour blind than i thought.And again i ask what would a labour government do to rectifie this situation if not cutting spending and their borrowing??:confused:

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Problem wi the measures this lot propose, like the NHS, the Sentencing of Rapists, they are demonstrating to me, they aint a sodding clue, they propose these things- big outcry- climb down n change tack, its off the hoof government nowt else.:rolleyes: hope they dont cripple the country even more,cos they sure seem to be sticking wi the economic way.:eek:

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Hey come on cashy that's a bit rich a socialist talking about economics mate:D:D:D

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I reckon that is spot on Cashman..I'm surprised you ain't been shot down with the usual "left wing bigot" replies for even daring to question this governments strategy of cuts in everything no matter what (but then again not really);)... it's pretty clear that nothing has been thought out from the word "go".... 30% cuts in everything is not a plan.. it's a lazy, incompetent agenda, and shows little respect to voters of any colour.

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And no response from the other one? the economic wizard that compares buying the weekly shopping from tesco as a advanced economic agenda for growth :D

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i was talking about the incompetence by changing tack, summat yeh declined to comment on.:rolleyes: i know not a great deal about economics, but i will comment on anything i regard as wrong/pathetic, no matter what party is responsible, which is summat yeh seem to avoid like the plague.:rolleyes:

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Who me cashy not me cashy ya know I totally agree with call me dave whatever he does, except forcing candidates list on Hyndburn that is:rolleyes:;)