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I'll guarantee they won't be next year;)

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lazy

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C'mon you really are a blind fool, the article you so blithely posted also reiterates the issue of "Cash for Honours". So in your efforts to denigrate Tories, you have succeeded in once again showing that most inept & usual trait of Labour of shooting itself in the foot, crack on, with supporters like you they really will remain mired in the depths of insignificance. :rolleyes:

Cash for honours paper trail leads to Blair - Telegraph

You might at least read the content before posting to save yourself some embarrassment, but then again .......... ;)

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When you have somebody who can't start a sentence with a Capital letter Dave, do you really think anything can embarrass him:rolleyes:

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Is this a thread about Kebabs?:hehetable

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blair and co have their critics but they made goverment more transparent and we wouldnt have known if the tories were in charge ie mark thatcher:confused:

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More transparent:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:Blair took us into two wars by lying through his teeth, the most bent Government in history

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Really ? Can you elucidate ? (that means be more precise) Mark Thatcher just what exactly are you on about here ? His involvement in the African coup ? Or some other sensationalist attention grabbing episode ?

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One of the most laughable statements I've ever read on here. :rolleyes:

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And still raking it in along with his wife - Perhaps they need the money to further speculate in dodgy property deals:rolleyes:

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Transparent.....what about the PFI deals Gordon got us in
to when he was the chancellor. Now that is a real ticking time bomb.

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In fact they have started to going off, ask one or two of trust who are feeling the pinch already. There is one thing Labour in Government's never quite grasps, if you borrow money you have to pay it back and you can't do it by continually borrowing, that's why it always ends in tears, but Accyweb's answer to pinky and perky can't seem to grasp the fact:(

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The post which started this thread- and eight months later the Labour Shadow Defence Secretary totally agrees with the Con/Dems cuts to the defence budget!
'This is a thorough, forensic package which strengthens defence economic credibility', his words not mine.
Sort of undermines your ranting, doesn't it,Mancie?
Although I personally think they should have kept Ark Royal going with enough Harriers to man it.

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i agree on a tory policy:eek::eek::eek::eek: For years, YOU'VE paid their £2,000-a-week rents. But the housing benefit gravy train's hit the buffers | Mail Online another should be if a house is empty and going to rack and ruin more than 5 years should be compulsary purchased .

I have a preference, it is towards Labour, however, each time you post your complete and utter bull,
I am left considering what on Earth, there must be a better alternative than this ace holes idea of a Labour party?

I've never seen so much utter guff since I volunteered to be Jaysay's intern and act as an unpaid spell checker.

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ha ha:D

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Yeah, that's why they fought tooth and nail, from having their expenses published... in their words, for 'security reasons'.

The only security worries they had, were they knew the public would want to lynch them, after their outrageous fiddling was made public.

Transparent my arse.

All the thanks goes to the Daily Telegraph, for making it very transparent they were a load of greedy swine.

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I don't actually know C'Mon never seen him, but I think I'd recognise him if I bumped into him anytime, he'd be the jock limping on both feet, due to continually shooting himself in both feet;)

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looks like the fan is going to hit it;) David Cameron's Welfare Reform Bill: Hiding the truth is not the way to achieve it | Mail Online

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Think you'd do well to tune into BBC1 at 11am every morning, this might give you an insight into why there needs to be reform, not matter which way you wrap it up, between 1997 and 2010 DLA increased by 350,000, strange that ain't it, when you see people being pushed into DHSS offices in a wheelchair, then skipping of to work running a pub, oh ya that guy got 3 years in the clink for that little scam and no wheelchair in site

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This is the Report which is being highlighted, it makes interesting reading!


http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/files/resp...la_reforms.pdf

Best regards - Taggy

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But these "reforms" have nothing to do with stopping scroungers..it's about cutting the income of genuine disabled and sick people..get real!

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so instead of employing people to investigate and find fraudsters the geniune are going to suffer goodbye to dla in fact goodbye to eveything universal credit will destroy this country.even if people dont like people getting benefits its taking more money out the economy which is going to create even more unemployment.even at this moment in time the goverment are recruiting for the civil service as the current level cant cope. unemployment will be going to hit a record high.the tories the party to create unemployment fact.when was the last time there was record levels of unemployment oh yes i know when the tories were in power ie john major

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And this is what it looks like after I have made an attempt to punctuate it.

Couldn't you at least try to put a few Capital letters in, a comma or two and a full stop now and then........?
OK there were a couple of full stops but that was it.

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cheers for that, im multi tasking;):D

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It was a 'once only' event.
My God a comma!....but ah....no capital letters I see.........slow learner? And what has multi tasking to do with anything?

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The thing about the Tories is they like to divide and rule.

Concentrate public distain on benefits 'scroungers' via support from the right wing media (i.e. the Daily Mail) and the public will ignore another round of fat cat bonuses for the Tory friends in The City and the upcoming abolition of the 'temporary' 50p higher tax rate.

Same old Tories.

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Thank god others can see this.;)

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Can't wait for the Ossy lump o' wood and his sidekicks to lay into you..you left wing pinko toffee nut!;)

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ohh the tories and their media friends telling lies and misleading the public,what a surprise:eek::eek:

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Even a leading left wing MP said last week that the welfare state is not fit for purpose, when you have people who are better of on benefits than they are working. Labour had long enough to change this but only made it worse. They also employed 1 million more civil servants, most doing no jobs, which was affordable whilst Gordon was throwing money about like confetti, money which he had borrowed (for which the interest is growing at around £450 million per day)Gordon Brown knew he was in a hole, but carried on digging now everybody is paying the price, but numpties on the left just can't see it, the bottom line is, Labour left this country with huge debts, which is what they always do, but if you borrow copious amounts of money there comes a time when you have to pay it back, unfortunately when that time comes the culprits are of on the American and Mideast gray train after dinner circuit and selling their memoirs

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And setting up Limited Partnership Companies through which to launder the proceeds so that they pay minimal UK tax.

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Ya know Bob C'mon never seems to put links on to these kind of things funny that;)

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Lords Divisions results - UK Parliament i know what your talking about;) funny that all private companies are in it for the money and will be taking more money out of the british economy .the tories dont know what they are doing they inept;)

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I thought it was the fat cat hedge funding bankers who needed the government i.e. the taxpayer to bail them out in order to avoid the collapse of capitalism, who caused us to be in the current financial mess, not Gordon Brown's financial policies?

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Welfare reform bill ? Lords debate and live discussion | Society | guardian.co.uk thats a hat trick of defeats for the goverment tonight:):):):):)

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Now what financial policies would be, was never aware he had any, and you thing good old Gordon did a wonderful job, notably the worst chancellor/prime minister this countries ever had and is ever likely to have

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time will tell.still think opinions will be changed after this rotten mob are finished;)

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I didn't say I thought Gordon did a wonderful job, I said that the current economic situation was caused by the government baling out the banks with public money. Therefore our current situation is the fault of greedy bankers rather than government mis spending which is something the current government seem to have forgotten.

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and replaced by another mob that is yet more rotten?
When will you get the message? They are all cut from the same cloth.
All of those Labour, Lib Dems. Tories.......never did a days real work in their lives.
They have no comprehension of what it is to live a life that has not been touched by privelege.....and what is worse, they will never know, because none of them will ever listen to the electorate.
They aren't in politics to make life better for you and me. Only to make it better for themselves.

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Good but it's only a hiccup for this bill.. the attempt by this government to cut benifits for cancer patients (by £90 per week in some cases) is a disgrace.. a disgrace that has not been mentioned in the press.. or for that matter not mentioned on here by the anti-social right, who support savage cuts in income for the sick,disabled and those on low incomes .. ..are people suffering with cancer now regarded as "scroungers"? :(

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Just a peek at what this government have proposed..

Peers voted by 260 to 216 to protect up to 15,000 young disabled people from cuts to employment support allowance.

They voted 234 to 186 for a two-year limit on claims, rather than the proposed one year, and by 222 to 166 to exempt cancer sufferers from a limit.

The plan had meant disabled children who could never work would never be entitled to the benefit.

BBC News - Government suffers Lords defeats over welfare cuts

Oh dear. a "lazy" post.. I'll say enough said..but of course the usual "neutral" defenders of this government are invited to comment. :D

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Just when I thought that there were fewer and fewer differences between your tories and "new" Labour, along comes Lord Astor with this gem: talking of the HS2 rail network, he says that it is a plot by "Northern Labour MPs who relish the thought of the beauty of the Chilterns being destroyed":eek: A furore normannorum libera nos domine.":rolleyes:

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more soldiers on the dole:mad: Gurkhas to be hit again as armed forces prepare to axe 4,500 jobs | UK news | The Guardian

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Big Society blow on David Cameron's doorstep - Telegraph ultra lazy post;)

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Saves me from having to point this out to you.

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And thats why i never read yer links anymore.:rolleyes:

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Lord Astor..that can't be "call me Dave's" father inlaw :D

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Come to think of it, the article did mention that;)

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To be fair though, he might have a point. If HS2 is ever built it will cost a fortune to travel on it.
I recently priced up a business trip from Accrinton to London with both Rail and Air.
If I flew from Manchester, I could leave Accrington Station at the same time, transfer trains to and from airports. It was quicker than getting the train and over £100.00 less. In the end I went by car, for more flexibility.

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Somehow I don't think economy and convenience were on his Lordships mind when he made his comment. I think that he fears that northerners might at last get their own back for the "harrowing of the north". ;)

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C'mon and Mancie....are you heartbroken?
cut to the quick even??
I see that neither of you has deigned to comment on the speech by Ed Balls( Shadow Chancellor) to the Fabian Society yesterday.
The one in which he accepts the public sector pay freeze(and says that if Labour were re-elected) they would stay in place, that he supports the cuts made by the coalition and that they(the Labour party) could give no guarantees that they would reverse any of the changes brought in by the current government.
Isn't this a tacit approval of the fiscal policies implemented by George Osborne....saying that what the coalition has done to improve the financial position of the UK, is the right thing...without actually uttering those words?

I will understand if neither of you want to comment because your emotions are just too raw right now.

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Eric, I would imagine they are all in the same boat.
For example Roland Rudd, is Ed Millibands Spin Doctor, but he also represents Wonga.com
Great socialism......as Orwell said, all animals are equals. But some are more equal than others, and that was written by Pigs. Nice analogy

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I was going to mention that this morning Margaret, but I was waiting for Cmon to put the link on from the Guardian, it seems that George Osborne was right all along, well he must have been seeing that the two Eds now endorse the policy;)

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That remains to be seen if yon snotty clown is right, even a brooke bond monkey is aware of the need to reduce costs,:rolleyes: The scale n Timescale of the cuts will determine if they are good fer us or not. But as yeh can see into yer Tory crystal ball,he must be right.:rolleyes:

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It's a surprise but there's no way Labour can support all cuts.. there have to be some cuts such as the Public Sector pay freeze..but if they back the Welfare and NHS "reforms" then there really would be no point voting for them.

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Yes, he said as much on the Andrew Marr show, yesterday morning.

Labour now accept they'd have had to make drastic cuts too, if they'd held on to power.

Though when pushed, he couldn't specify what things they would have cut.

The man's as dull as dish water.

I wouldn't vote to put him in charge of a primary school.

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Well, that is what he said....that Labour support the cuts...he didn't say some of the cuts.....He also stated that had Labour been re-elected they would have had to make cuts too and that they should have been clearer about that in the pre-election hustings.

Doesn't this just underline that they are all liars? They tell us what they think will get them into power and then once in power, they can do pretty much what they like.
All cut from the same cloth, all in it to feather their own nests at our expense.
Worthless shower of Shwante!

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I'll bow to the supreme wisdom of Mr Ed cashy as he now seems to accept that they left the economy in a real mess, but failed to say anything prior to the election, now we've had the shadow chancellor saying Osborne is right and a left wing Labour MP saying the reforms to the welfare state are needed because its not fit for purpose, all within a few days. Mind you I'm still disappointed that the scottish contingent hasn't graced us with a link this weekend:rolleyes:

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Well still haven't heard from our friend from the north, that's even considering he was actually on site last night, must have been too warm in the kitchen:rolleyes:

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Lets just poke the coals a little more shall we :-

U.S. Navy and U.K. Royal Navy F-35 Unable to Get Aboard Ship

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Never had a problem when i was a fighter pilot:D

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Labour won't have to worry about what cuts they make when/if in government if the jocks get their way with the referendum.

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In as much Labour would never ever govern the country again;)

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Talking of the Referendum WM, it seems more people in England are in favour of giving the Jocks independence than in Scotland itself, wonder why that is:rolleyes:

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I'm beginning to worry about C'mon, he hasn't been seen since Ed Balls declared that the opposition backed the government on wage freeze and cuts in the public sector, do hope the chaps okay:eek:

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Just thinking that Labour will have even less chance of even getting into government if the jocks get their way..Labour currently have 41 Scottish seats in Westminster.. those seats will go! :eek:

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I reckon what Salmon wants n the jocks want,may be 2 different things.

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Same here.. but if total independence did happen and Labour lost those seats they can wave goodbye to any chance of forming a government in a slimmed down Westmister.. another 18 years of Tory rule? :eek: :D

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Always a bright side if yeh look mancie,if that happens i doubt if i'll still be here to see it.:D;)

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whats this all about:confused: The Guardian on Facebook | Facebook

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As long as you don't pop it the same time as Thatcher.. I don't think the country could afford two State Funerals :D

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If i never acheive owt else,i'll outlive that cow.

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Um I see you've surfaced again, wonder why you didn't put the link on from your beloved Guardian featuring the interview with Mr Balls;)

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There has only been one Labour Government that would not have been formed without the Scottish Labour MPs .

All other Labour Governments would have been elected by just the Labour MPs elected in England and Wales .

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tories the party for unemployment;) and as i said 30 pages ago we aint seen nothing yet, as this month looks like its going the same way:mad:

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Go back to sleep

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how can you support a party that has caused so much misery to hard working families and by the way they have done another u-turn by recruiting for more civil servants;)

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Helloooooooo......there is a recession on everywhere.....not just in this country but all over the world......if people haven't got money they don't spend, if they don't spend, then it isn't worth making stuff.....if it isn't worth making stuff because nobody is buying , then companies lay off workers...or worse still go bust.

You want us to spend our way out of a recession? What with?
The last government spent all the readies......they left the tin box empty.

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Seeems inflation has fallen this month= prices lower= more to spend. Economical swings and roundabouts.

PM of Italy, Mario Monti has visited Dave today - cuts a better figure than Silvio Berlusconi and he can speak pretty good English too.

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they were paying off more than the tories are doing now;) thankyou for reminding us it is a worldwide recession so when anybody else comes on and blames the last goverment please could you remind them..ie if you take money out of the economy it will go bust.how did you think the industrial revolution happen;)

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ps where is george osborne? ahh yes wasting public money hiding in japan so he doesnt have to answer questions about the economy..

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I was reminding you that we are in a world recession so that you culd take account of that ...and not expect things to get better anytime soon.
If the last government hadn't got the finances into an almighty mess then perhaps we would have more to play with right now...but that fact is a bit inconvenient for you isn't it?...despite the fact that both Labour party Eds reckon the cuts would have been undertaken if Labour had by some miracle got back into power....and have said that if by some chance they do get into power in the future they won't be cutting taxes or chucking the money about like they did before.

You say that the last government was paying off more than this government........wasn't it the last government that left this government all the debt with their daft spending?


anyway, oh great one......seeing as you are so knowledgeable, perhaps yu would give us some words of wisdom about how exactly you would sort out the situation?

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Elucidate.......How is he hiding if you know where he is?
Perhaps he has gone to forge some business ties just in case the EU goes down the plughole...after all it is circling the drain....despite all those meetings to sort it out.

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And you actually think things would be better with Labour in charge, we heard that once remember "Things can only get better", they took over in 1997 one of the strongest performing economies in the world and turned it into a basket case in 13 years, its labour who have caused the misery for hard working families with their total incompetence running the economy. Labour don't do economic management, they have failed on the four occasions they have held power. Now even Ed Balls has held his hands up and backed the government's pay freeze and cuts in the public sector, well he had to really, most people do live in the real world, well that is except a few jocks and the odd southern exile;)

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Not quite everywhere ... :D

And it is not only democratic socialists who don't accept that cuts by themselves are the only remedy for economic problems. S&P ... not a hotbed of radical socialism ... suggest that a blinkered focus on cutting is not the way out; there has to be growth. And government has to put money into it. Many criticized President Obama for his bail out of the US auto industry; but it worked. Or, at least, succeeded more than it failed.

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Succesive British Goverrnments have not been keen to bail out failing companies, preferring to let them find a buyer...even if that buyer is from overseas(taking jobs out of the country)......and while there may be some places not suffering in the current financial crisis, they are the exception rather than the rule....certainly on this side of the pond.

Growth relies on sturdy market forces, and the market forces have been subdued for quite some time now........insecurity of the current situation in the Eurozone(to which you over there, seem to be immune) is not helping. There doesn't appear to be any kind of solution emerging....this despite all the meetings and summits organised by Merkel and Sarkozy......Britain is going to be asked to commit another 65 billion pounds to the IMF to shore up the Eurozone(and this won't be the last time we are asked I can assure you), when in all probability there is nothing to save the single currency........The government might have had some spare readies to put in, if the last lot(and I don't care what colour t heir coat was - I have no partisan feelings to any of the parties....they all wazz in the same pot) had not been so profligate in their spending.

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I agree that the Euro is heading the way of Esperanto: a decent idea that didn't work ... and the idea of putting in more cash? Never reinforce failure, as the legendary kraut, von Clausewitz observed. Or, as we say on this continent: "Always know when it's time to get out of Dodge."

Back in the 80s during tough economic times Canadian governments spent large. The debt increased, deficits went throught the roof, and many, our rowdy neighbours especially, saw us heading for third world status. They laughed at our economic policies. When the good times returned, we paid down our debt, all governments eliminated or radically reduced their deficits; and we were off and running. We even helped bail out GM in order to save manufacturing jobs, and survived the crisis. Suddenly, our economic policies are not a joke any more.

And is these new tough times: billions more for health care, increased pensions, and the government of Ontario is cutting fees for university students, because they realize that a well-educated population is essential for prosperity. Because our military seems to have been shoved into a more active role, we are spending $65 billion on new fighters from the US. Along with this purchase come jobs for the aerospace industry as some components will be manufactured in Canada. Repair and maintenance facilities will be established in Winnipeg and Montreal. $50 billion for new warships ... built in Canada. Another few billion for assorted fleet supply ships, ice breakers, and coast guard vessels ... built in Canada.

The present tory government is making some cuts, particularly in the civil service. They are, of course, building more jails so that our equivalent of Dail Mail readers will be happy. (Meanwhile, our crime rate is dropping rapidly:rolleyes:) But they realize that although they are in power, that power depends on the votes of those who, with little provocation, vote Liberal in the next election.

I suppose what I'm saying, in a very long-winded fashion, is that cuts by themselves will not solve your economic problems. And worrying about the money that New Labour so obviously peed away is not going to help either. Individuals wake up after a binge, looking at an empty wallet. Govts. do too.

And as an informed observer, it is my opinion that your problems will not be solved within the EU ... time to get out of Dodge.

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Yes Eric......well observed. I think that a lot of us having been saying that the EU have crippled us for long enough now.

They tie up businesses and workplaces in red tape, they allow migrants to come and work for a pittance(well, those that do work)...they allow them to claim benefits which these migrants send home(thereby improving the economy of their homeland at our expense)......they tell us who we can jail and for how long......they tell farmers what they can grow, and what they can't......there is an element of covert protectionism in this.......they spew out rules that no other EU country seem to take a blind bit of notice of, but us......and we follow it slavishly and to the letter.
Yet our MP in parliament thinks that 95% of the electorate couldn't give a toss about our situation.
Do you think that you could have a word with him and persuade him differently?

As for Uni fees.....we have graduates who cannot get jobs because they took degrees that are basically worthless, in that they have no bearing on the real world.
Education should be free.....all Education.......because the more educated your workforce are(in the right kind of marketable subjects - real subjects......science, physics, Maths...those boring things that take brains and application) the better chance you have in the world market.....but also we shouldn't undervalue those who possess practical skills. Too much emphasis has been placed on youngsters getting academic qualifications, and not enough investment has been put into practical skills.

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And on the immigration question: here's a hint; allow in those whose skills you need. Make it easier for those folks, and harder for those who will be a drain on your economy. Really, some things are a no brainer.

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It isn't quite as easy as that Eric, those who are in the EU can come here whether we need them or not. The last government encouraged mass migration with what we now see, has had disastrous results....because many of these people do not have skills and they take jobs that the unskilled here would have taken.....and the added incentive for employers is that they will work for less.
Personally, I would like to see our immigration policy be modelled on that of Australia.

Those who drain the economy are very likely to be from the Eastern bloc of the EU than from anywhere else.......so we really have no say in the matter.
It is a farce.
And you have to be here and see what is happening to get the full picture.

Ah, yes but human rights says we must allow in the useless as well as the useful, perhaps a blanket ban on everyone & concentrate on training our own people? Make sure they are being offered more of a future?
We don't need conscription, just offer decent training and a future with prospects better than temporary employment then we'll have a workforce that can compete with the world.
Oh, and put an import tax on Chinese products, if we need crap lets make it ourselves or do without.

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Yes I agree Less...we need a return to the Import tax.......it would fill the coffers and perhaps stop people buying stuff that they didn't need..

I agree with your idea of decent training for proper jobs too...not the temporary non jobs just to get the employment figures into some sort of political order.

The recent good news is that there is a hope that because of the poor exchange rate of some currencies, our motor industry may just be looking up....we could be exporting more motors made in the UK.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/exports-see...170355192.html
I know it is only a candle glimmer of hope.

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Sure as hell works for me Less

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And so it comes back to the EU .... if the consequences were not so serious, it would be funny to see the politicians scrambling around looking for a solution when there is one staring them in the face: whatever the benefits of the EU, it doesn't work for the benefit of the UK. (NAFTA isn't bad. Sure the US nixed the idea of a pipeline from Alberta to the Gulf; all our govt. said was: "If you don't wan't our oil, we'll build a pipeline to the Pacific and sell to the Chinese. Have a nice day." Of course the yanks are now squirming around trying to explain to unemployed Americans why they have turned down billions in investment and tens of thousands of jobs.)

I remember a Larson "Far Side" cartoon. A bunch of cops are in an office. A dead body, riddled with bullets is slumped over a desk. There is a machine gun on the floor. The walls are full of clocks, there is a clock on the desk, and the stiff is wearing a watch. All the timepieces are riddled with bullets, and all show ten minutes before three (or whatever time). One of the coppers says: "We have the corpse, the murder weapon, a motive, and a suspect; now, if only we could fix the time of death .... " Well, something like that anyway, but I presume you get the picture and the point.;)

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Eric, are these prisons they are building,to replace the ones that have already been closed? That fact is probably a large factor in the Statement, "Our prisons are at near capacity.":rolleyes:

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They are privatised, manned by the the companies close to david camerons heart;) who are all foriegn owned and financed by the private equity firms who pay their employees peanuts for the job they are doing,so less tax revenue;)