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Nah.

I learn more watching Corrie on Monday evenings.

:D

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anybody who brought in the national minimum wage did the working class a favour imagine the european migrants legally working or £1 an hour and bringing down the standard of living.the tories and david cameron opposed it fact;):mosher:

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that's right.....if you don't like the subject...change it and go on to something else.

The last new labour government were all for creating dependency...knowing full well that it is easy to control those who are dependent on you for day to day living. They did not encourage working...or a work ethic......they encouraged people to feel like the victims in society, rather than giving them a ladder to climb out of their poverty, they put the paving stone of benefits on their heads so that they felt it wasn't worth working. After all, why work when you can get enough to live on and watch daytime TV?

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thats rubbish thousands of people who were deemed unemployable got jobs the ones who started the rot were the tories by encouraging people to go on the sick to fiddle the unemployment figures in the eighties to destroy the manufacturing industry to please the shareholder mentality that got us in this mess in the first place and thats not my opinion its the opinion of people who have worked on the frontline for decades.theres one reason that got us in this mess yes greed tory greed plain and simple get the figures who got helped baked into work during the labour years and who got helped back into work during the eighties youll find most on the sick were thrown on the scrap heap with no help for them to get back into work in the eighties so get the facts right;)

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And where pray, is the evidence for this drivel that you have posted?
You say it isn't your opinion, but the opinion of those who worked on the frontline....the frontline of what exactly?

I don't recall the tory party encouraging people to seek benefits....but I do recall the new labour party encouraging immigration...bringing in people from other countries to do jobs for much less money....I do recall some social engineering, in that it was Ok not to be married, it was Ok to be a single mother,(to have babies, so that the benefit machine continued to cough up the money)it was Ok to get the council to find you a home, it was Ok for you to draw benefits until your youngest child left school.

In short, new labour fostered a level of dependency on benefits because they knew it gave them control over this section of the population.
It would be in the interests of these people to continue to vote labour, well, that is, if they wanted to continue living on benefits.

They made it easier to claim benefits than to go to work......a work ethic was not encouraged.
There is nothing as motivating as a hungry belly to make you find a job.
I have heard unemployed people talking......
'If they think I am getting out of bed for minimum wage they are effing crazy' No work ethic, no self respect...would rather let someone like me...(on a pension) support their lifestyle


I don't entirely blame the people for this, I blame the benefits sytem.

It should have been radically overhauled years ago, but no political party has ever had the guts...they just tinker around the edges

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For those who cannot be bothered to wade through your unpunctuated mass of text....here it is in punctuated form.
Easier to read but drivel nevertheless.

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I just don't get how destroying the manufacturing base pleases the shareholder mentality.
Shareholders want manufacturing to grow, for companies to sell more goods...that is how they get their dividends, how they make money.

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Point is, they can make more money exporting manufacturing jobs overseas to countries that have low wages and no protection for workers (and I'm talking about safety and benefits, not the pcism of workplace safety where a peanut causes a furor) ... if the tories cut corporate taxes in order to encourage investment in England, major corporations will say "thanks for the cash ... and, we are moving manufacturing out of the country any way." It's the American way, British style. The reason the German economy and that of the Japanese are so strong is that they still make stuff. They pay their workers well and treat them right. Workers make good money and spend it at home. You can't have a major league economy with easy credit and jobs flipping burgers.

I think I'll put on my Nike's and go for a beer.;)

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That sounds like a damned good idea!
Manufacturing in this country has not gone altogether, but the majority of it has.
China can make stuff so much cheaper...and cheaper sells.
This isn't a new phenomenon. In the mid sixties I worked in a weaving mill making high quality mattress tickings. The place closed and took all its capacity for production to South Africa. It was cheaper to manufacture the goods out there.

You can't turn back the clock......you have to live with the constraints of the situation you find yourself with.
This coalition government have only been in place 16 months...yet they are expected to put right the things that were wrong for many years during a new labour administration....and things that were admitted at the recent Labour party conference.........so it isn't jsut me saying they got it badly wrong...they(new Labour politicians) are saying it too.

Personally I couldn't care less if we were governed by a two headed monkey, as long as they could sort out the many things that ail our country at the moment.

Oh yeah, if you're buying I'll have a pint of Stella. (do they do that where you are Eric...stella, I mean)

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Yup ... we have Stella; but right now I'm having a Bomber:mosher: And there's lots left in the fridge, just behind the deer roast, to the left of the moose steak.:D

Sure they make things cheaper in China; but, have you ever noticed major corporations that move overseas passing on the savings to the consumer? No way, the extra money goes into the pockets of the chief executives and the major shareholders.

And from what I hear, you are governed by a two headed monkey. One head is called David and the other Nick.;)

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Thats still better than a one head stupid Jock;)

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He only aggravates you because you're both very similar.

Except he always wears a daft red hat, as opposed to your blue one.

;):D

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Never worn a hat in my life, except a hard hat on the building site;)

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Don't worry, like in The Emperor's New Clothes, we all see it.

It looks very dashing, and that big blue feather really sets if off a treat.

;):D

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Yellow hats old son yellow hats:p

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Ah a photo of some lads down the youth club:D

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Is that it ? Every time a debate comes along your stock reply is the above Labour & the minimum wage, nothing else, is that all you're magnificent Labour party (of bygone times) has to offer ? If they're so outstanding there must be other attributes you can crow about surely ?

On top of that this present coalition has agreed to a raise in the levels of said minimum wage thereby benefiting more than an estimated 890,000 people.

National Minimum Wage Increases

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There's none so blind as the millions of Brits over the last few decades who preferred to buy cheaper inferior foreign goods. Because they're inferior, we've become a throw-away society and we've thrown away our neighbours manufacturing jobs. Not only have we imported cheap goods we've imported take away cafe owners, NHS workers, builders, etc. and we even imported a couple of Scots to be our Prime Ministers for over a decade.

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It has been difficult to buy British made goods for quite a while now.
When it was possible to buy british made domestic equipment......that is what I would choose.(but you don't buy a fridge or a washer every week...my current machines are both over 10 years old)

I throw nothing away unless it is beyond usefulness or repair(as you might guess I am one of the 'after the war babies').

Everything, but everything, today seems to be manufactured in China.
We exported jobs when we sent machinery made by Howard and Bulloughs abroad many years ago....no-one thought of the knock on effect of doing that.......big companies had export departments with the prime aim of securing buyers overseas.
We have lost our manufacturing base....and if we hadn't, we would not be able to compete with the prices of goods made in countries where the labour is cheap....well unless imported goods carried a swingeing import tax.

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The sad effect of Globalisation...it's the same all over. If you go to Venice and want to buy some Murano glass as a souvenir, most of the small pieces are industrially made in China and imported into Italy -so much for hand-crafted Italian glass-wear traditionally going back centuries. Cremona (where I live) is a world center of excellence for the production of hand-made violins -at the Stradivarius International School for Violin Making in town, over half the students are Chinese or Koreans who then go back to their countries and apply the techniques they've learned to mass production -under-cutting the costs of what is made here so only the very top musicians can now afford a violin made here.
Cheap'n'cheerful has become a by-word for many but I still go by my Grand-mother's maxim which was to always buy the best quality you can afford and above all only to buy what you need and when you have saved up to buy it..

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Saw "Giddy-un" Osborne on the telly this morning and found what he had to say to be quite re-assuring about the reduction af the UK national debt -but then i may be being swayed by my liking for tall, dark men with "posh" accents...;)

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I think your Grandmother's maxims were the by-words of my growing up.....'never cut what can be untied'......'re-use everything'(rag rugs were made from old clothes, vests were used as polishing cloths, or floor cloths....leftover food was made into stews casseroles, puddings, orange peel was used to light the fire.......potato peelings went into the pig bin)
These are the habits that I grew up with and cannot discard.......anyway, they make sound sense.

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Same here -I never throw away a crust of bread -make it into breadcrumbs, croutons and all manner of things! You wouldn't believe my mum was her mother's daughter as she doesn't have the same mentality -i've been trying to teach her over the last few years and now when she's about to whizz something she thinks twice and can be heard to say "our Dianne'd make a meal out of this!"
I also comb the hedgerows :thankya:
-I believe a Tory politician, in the not to distant past, once suggested the unemployed do this....

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Instead of putting the peelings in the pig bin, why not put them in that huge trough they have in Westminster.;)

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Pigs might fly.

Those swine will only eat the finest cherries.


;)

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Don't know too much about glassware .... apart from the fact that it holds alcoholic beverages:D But the violin thing ... there is no reason that others, say the Italians even, do what the Asians do. It's not as if it is some evil plot on the part of the inscrutable Chinese. If Italian entrepreneurs got off their asses, it could be done in Italy. I mean, the Italians make great ships, cars, and, especially motorcycles ... they have the skills; those skills are just lying idle. I remember a line from a Pink Floyd song: "If it wasn't for the nips being so good at building ships, the yards would still be open on the Clyde", or something like that (as you know, when possible, I prefer to use my memory instead of Google;)) I don't really agree with it. The skills of Clydeside were every bit as good as those of the Japs.

Talking of those wonderful folks who brought us Pearl Harbor, many over here buy Japanese automobiles. However, they are made in Canada, by Canadian workers. And because Japanese companies don't treat workers like sh ..., ok, poo:rolleyes:, there are no labour disruptions at their plants. At the time the US economy took a dump, and their auto makers were laying off Canadian workers, Toyota opened a couple of new plants in Ontario.:eek:

Oh, and both my vehicles are GM products ... yet both were made in Canada.

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We don't have pig bins now, but we did when Grandma was alive.......and the chap who kept the pigs made sure that she got a couple of hocks and some bacon when the pig was fat enough to be sent to piggy heaven.

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Virgins beware:eek:;)

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That's so simplistic its actually quite near the truth Lucy

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David Cameron would allow minimum wage to die out - mirror.co.uk remember this and this Minimum wage harming job opportunities for young - Telegraph been here before and what about having to pay a levy before you can take an employer to a tribunal for unfair dismissal Unfair dismissal law change set to save British businesses £6 million a year if you think this is good for workers rights your in dream world.

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The first right a worker needs is the opportunity to work! A lot of good people aren't getting that opportunity so something has got to change.
Then again, a million Poles and East Europeans may be proving me wrong.

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Workers rights! Well let's see, London Tube drivers now earn £50,000 per year, not bad if you can get it comrade.

Pay Deal Could See Tube Drivers’ Pay Top £50k | Londonist

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Pah.

Chicken feed.

Trade union leaders threatening a 'class war' take home 100,000 pay | Metro.co.uk

Only one more step up and they'll be in Blair's New Labour millionaires club.

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So does all this mean that you have lost your job as a government advisor then?

You are a one trick pony.........you think that if Labour were in power they would be doing anything different, because according to their recent conference they were telling us that the cuts and everything the current Coalition (remember coalition - not tory) government were doing they would have done the same.
As for living in a dream world...it is you who needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

We are currently in the worst global recession/depression in living memory, and you keep on bleating about the same old, same old.
Pretty soon there may be NO jobs for anyone and a soup kitchen may be set up at the end of your street.

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Eric -was already thinking of pointing out to Margaret about the merits of "stream of consciousness writing" alla C'mon Stanley , GARINDA does it too but with more "style and passion" -then you come along and are an even better example - "LOVIT". My mind also Spirals -welcome to the club....:D

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Next you'll be discussing the merits of "Finnegan's Wake" and the beauties of "The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman.":eek:;):D But, if I'm with Margaret and Garinda, I'm in damn fine company.:)

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I forgot to add: "Even though we don't always agree".

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Perhaps the job situation would be better if there weren't so many foreigners in the UK prepared to work at minimum wage ? Now remind me, who was it again who allowed such a situation to arise ? :rolleyes:

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(Must try harder with ol' drink Canada Dry.)

:rolleyes:

(So accusations of bullying start to fly, the next time we don't see eye to eye.)

:D

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David Allan Coe "Drink Canada Dry" - YouTube


Come to think of it, he looks a lot like I used to when I was younger and living in rural Saskatchewan ... although I had a lot more hair, and a helluva lot better beard:D

So we don't see eye to eye all the time .... at least no one is going to accuse us of being a clique:D Mmmm .... I wonder what such a clique could be called.:confused: Maybe "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." I wanna be the "Ugly". "Bad" can be cool too.:D

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No, I don't want to be in that kind of spiral where you spew out text without any punctuation.....it is messy and makes me not want to bother untangling the skeins of thought to find out if there is anything there worth the effort.

I write how I see things. Sometimes my points are not well made, but I would like to think they are always readable.

I just hope that is what you mean when you talk of stream of conciousness...you have to remember I didn't have a high flying education......just a secondary modern one, and not very distinguished at that...left at 15 to make my way in the world.

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Isn't that the very essence of a good discussion? Not always agreeing, but being adult enough to agree to disagree.

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So can I be Good then....?

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There are a lot of people in this country who do not want to work...so the minimum wage issue is of no interest to them.

My daughter has a B.sc, degree...but she is currently working for the minimum wage...because she wants to work. She grew up seeing parents who both worked, in order to get the things we wanted to make our life better. She is doing the same, so that her family can pay their way.

There are families in this country where no-one works.......so the work ethic is not demonstrated.

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I write rubbish.

It's always beautifully spaced.

Therefore it looks pleasing to the eye.

:D

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I'll take the fifth on that one:D Garinda, the ball's in your court ....

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I'd happily be your Ugly, but it's all getting a bit too cliquey, and we don't want to frighten new members, so I'll have to sadly decline.

Just leave me alone with my thoughts, and my one true love.

http://www.emoticoner.com/files/emot...gif?1292867693

:D

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I'm just ignoring myself for the rest of the night .... :closeey:

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Yes but, we'd be cliquey in an agreeable way.

As for you and your one true love I want to say 'Stop that, and put your clothes on this minute'....but I fear that it would be moved to the adult section....and I'm not allowed in there.
Oh drat....I've said it now!:D:o:D(that's me in the middle of the clique)

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That seems about right Eric everybody else does:p:D

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I wouldn't care but this latest C'Mon attempt at Tory Bashing was a link from the Mirror:eek::eek::eek:The Labour equivalent of the Mail:D

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I wouldn't care but this latest C'Mon attempt at Tory Bashing was a link from the Mirror:eek::eek::eek:The Labour equivalent of the Mail:D

The fact that the Telegraph has said it could be hampering young people from getting a job, bloody hell when I started work I was on 7d an hour, that's less than 3p in today's money, just a thought;)

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Very apt though of course Cliques don't exist in this dimension of Accyweb. Margaret can be non other than the Good, Garinda can be Bad (When he is good he is very very good but when he is bad....) and as you have volunteered Eric you can be Ugly!(Nothing personal) ;):D

This is neither beautifully spaced nor pleasing to the eye -but we can't all be artists...

Straight thinking and straight writing are to be commended, Margaret.

The spiralists think they are more creative...but it has yet to be proved.

Narcisus and the one who ignores himself are poles apart but are inversely similar.

Let's hope they can maintain their 'Uman rights and continue as they are now the Home Secretary has declared in Conference that she wants them to go.
(Resubmitted as I took to long to edit the above as i hadn't read on through the thread!!)

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Thanks to Neil for all the hidden work you do -correcting my mistakes for a start....you are a star!

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so its ok for people to be in poverty:eek: where would they live or would they be assisted with housing benefit which would cost the goverment money;)

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Never you mind all that palavar.

Here's the dog stabber!

Run, run!

Run for the heathery hills.

http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/battle/knife.gif

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What kind of proverty are we talking about here? Current day poverty in the UK...Poverty Indian style....Poverty 1950's style.
Elucidate please.
I know all about poverty....read my blog about being poor.......and then talk to me about poverty.

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No mobile phone?

No 42'' flat screen tv?

No satellite?

No central heating?

No fitted carpets?

No leather sofas?

No take aways?

No game stations?

No lap tops?


:eek::rolleyes:

Margaret, that wasn't being poor.

That's child abuse.

You should contact a no win/no fee 'uman rights lawyer right now, and sue the government.

I'm sure cmon-eileen will back you all the way.

;)

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You missed out 'No food', 'No Work'.........and worst of all, 'No Help'.

Human rights? You didn't have any.

After Ma did a lot of wrangling, we did eventually get free school dinners(now to some that would be punishment, but at least it mean we ate one good meal five days a week).

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Ethiopia now that is poverty, no Nike trainers or track suits there C'Mon, just a few grains of rice if they're lucky

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how long will it last Blame Labour For Everything - How Long Will It Work

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Yet another of your lazy posts with no comment or opinion from you.

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According to the article Thatcher used it quite well for 18 years it also states in the same article (quote) “Labour still have to answer the charge that when they're in power the economy gets messed up. There's lots of evidence for that.” So I think they'll (the present coalition Govt) probably be using it for a few years yet.

C'mon, do you actually read these articles before you post them ? Or do you just grab a sensationalist headline & paste it in ? (which seems to be the case) :rolleyes:

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Dave, if your ever in Scotland and you see a bloke limping very heavily, that'll be C'Mon, he's like that because he continually shots himself in the foot;)

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lol no but really theyre getting themselves into a fine mess:eek::D

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you cant blame labourfor a world wide recession;)

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Labour isn't being blamed for the worldwide recession.
It is being blamed for selling of our gold at a ridiculously low price, for allowing uncontrolled immigration in the hope to garner votes, for alowing the banking crisis to continue for 7 months before letting on anything was wrong, for encouraging a benefits culture that could not be sustained, for selling pensioners down the river, for taking us into a costly and illegal war because someone told blatant lies about Sadams capabilities. Not tackling crime, but changing the way statistics were collected and collated so that it looked like crime had fallen.
Giving away the rebate that M. Thatcher managed to getback from the EU for absolutely nothing in exchange.

There you are, chew them over ....just a few reasons to blame the last government. Hope they are enough for you to be going on with.

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Not blaming Labourfor (whoever they are;))for a worldwide recession gust for the massive debts they left behind, the trade mark of any Labour government in history

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the tories = unemployment 2.8 million and counting

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Yep but now blaming labours played out,there blaming the E.U.:rolleyes:

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Tit, have some tat.

More than a million people on incapacity benefit never returned to work under Labour, new figures show.

According to the latest figures £346 billion has been paid to the unemployed since Labour came to power in 1997.
Million on incapacity benefit never returned to work under Labour - Telegraph

Least we understand these admittedly shocking figures.

Was harder before.

When people were able to choose a life funded by the state, rather than the poorer paid option of working for a living.

Which we when we had consecutive Labour governments.

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Main concern is the over a million 16-24yrs old out of work.. in the past some posters have said our young people are in some sort of welfare state luxury land..they can't even claim dole until 18 ..but just wondering what percentage of our young unemployed who leave school are thinking they want to earn a living or just do nowt ?..I'd say 99% want to earn a living ...and yes I do blame this government for doing nothing to give our youngters a kick start..maybe we have to spend money for the future.

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I've never read anyone on here say that.

Any quotes you can provide, that I must have missed?

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Now then ..I'd have to scroll through Jaysay and mrs P posts to prove that.. and can't be assed.

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Don't mind slagging the useless swine on this thread, but on a thread fer concern oer people,i find a bit pathetic to be honest.:rolleyes:

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I do remember watching this.

A couple of years ago.

A programme which got some long-term unemployed women back into the work for a living system.

Very moving, until they realised they couldn't afford the drop in income, so understandably, returned to the more generous benefits they were entitled to.

Last Night's Television: Benefit Busters, Channel 4 <br/> Dolce Vito &ndash; Dream Restaurant, Channel 4 - Reviews - TV & Radio - The Independent

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Oh dear.

That is a shame.

Good job you're not on piece work.

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Yes.. I suppose we will have to rely on Accywebs self proclaimed socialist :D..:D.

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Yes, it was crass...and pathetic.
But we should expect nothing more from M and C.

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and if you think I have said that the 16-24 year old unemplyed are in Welfare Luxury Land as you put it, you had better be prepared to say where I have said that.

I don't know where you have been for a few weeks, but I haven't missed you one little bit.

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That means one of two things.

Either he's work shy, and it's just too much effort.

Or, he's happy to spout things, he knows there's no evidence to back up his claims.

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yep i asked how could anyone live on £64 a week and you said they get more than that.. so were is the more?

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It may mean one of two things to you .. swing out right sister 2D

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Oh dear.

My gift to you.

A tip.

If you've been up all night drinking, log out now.

Before the nonesense you're posting, turns nasty, as we've seen happen so many times in the past.

Try and hold on to a little credibility.

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OK I'll do a deal.. I'll stop bugging you if you stop pretending you are a socialist!

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Again, any evidence, to back up your grasping at straws posts, that I've ever 'proclaimed myself as a socialist?

Or will it be another 'can't be assed' lame excuse.

Knowing there is no actual evidence at all.

I have said I admired certain people.

The writer James Baldwin being one.

I suppose by saying that, that makes me a black American?

Fool.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Er...see below.

Carry on 'bugging me', if you wish.

Each time you do, it's another little chip off what little credibility you used to have on here.

;)

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All I've ever said on here, regarding my own politics, is that up until last month I've been a life long Labour supporter.

I've also posted that I've voted Labour in every election, since I was first of age, in 1983.

All except twice, when I voted for Ken Livingstone, when at the time he'd been kicked out of the Labour party, in the first London Mayor election, and when I cynically voted for Peter Britcliffe last year. Knowing his re-election was already cast iron guaranteed.

Which I did on the same day as also voting for Graham Jones, and I encouraged others to do the same. Imploring that peope vote for the best person, regardless of party.

I did this knowing how unpopular Labour were in the pre-election opinion polls, and I thought Graham Jones was the best person to be the next M.P. for Hyndburn.

Make of that what you will.

Besides, you know all this. From all the pm's I've sent you in the past, telling you to please keep your gob shut, as I thought what you were spouting was damaging Graham Jones's chances of securing victory here in Hyndburn.

;)

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Oh the London lush has been having another pop at me too Margaret;)

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Ya mean he once had some:confused:

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A million 16-20 yr old unemployed..a million..and what do this government do?

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Do something proactive.

Employ one.

To wipe the dribble off your chin.

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Reading Mancies quote in your post, he would have us think that in May 2010 the youth unemployment was zero, zilch, nothing, unfortunately outside the bubble there's a real world, seldom visited by Mutt and Jeff, north and south of the border;)

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I'll say what should be done.. set up work apprentice schemes for every school leavers..if it costs money then so be it .

I wholeheartedly agree with you, we must concentrate on apprenticeships so that we can compete in the world market, however, where will these young people go to serve their apprenticeships? For them to learn we need factories that employ skilled workers, there aren't very many of those left around here.

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I think I heard somewhere that the government is going to set up something along these lines....but as Less has so rightly observed we do not have a great mnufacturing base anymore.
Most of the manufacturing that goes on is in the production of food.
Mancie with your insight and skills I cannot see why the government haven't snapped you up to work in tandem with your cohort C'mon...after all he is doing such a sterling job.

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The thing is going to university has been the bee hole and end hole for school kids for years now, some how leaving school at sixteen and taking an apprenticeship has been seen as a failure my lots of young people, when I was at school the only people going to university were people from Grammar schools, the thing we have now is lots of young people highly qualified with no nowhere to go. Only yesterday the Government announced the introduction of new apprenticeship and training schemes with incentives for firms who take these young people on, which is a step in the right direction

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There are plenty of factories all over the place.. have been for years...setting up apprenticeships is not hard.. the very skilled plumbers and leckies from Poland and such were trained in thier own countries.
This government are lazy... cuts are the only concern and that is the only thing they spend the time doing.