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Didn't know breweries were taking on mature apprentices Margaret;)

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Why does it have to boil down to government every time........have the people not enough wits to get on training course...if that is the case then no wonder we are employing people from the Eastern Bloc...they have the sense to get up and stir their stumps...get trained in something useful...hey presto they are employable.

The people here want everything on a plate......but to you, they aren't lazy...just disadvantaged. Unsupported by an unsympathetic government.
Mancie get real. It is as much in the interest of the government to get people employed and off benefits as it is to those who are unemployed.

Having people in work means that there are more people paying into the tax system, there is more money circulating...earners spend on goods and services......this is how stagnation is prevented. It is very much in the interest of financial stability to get the distance between the unemployment figures and the inflation figures as close together as is possible.
The current situation in the EU (sorry to bring this in yet again) is certaainly not helping.

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they are now borrowing more money than labour did at the date of the last election just as i predicted.as the cuts have an adverse effect on the economy;)

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Ok Septic Peg, what are your predictions for this weeks lottery numbers then.

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And no they aren't...you have been listening to the waffle of EdM. He says the government are in danger of over borrowing by 100million pounds.
BBC News - Ed Miliband: Economy is at 'turning point'

Also the figure for public borrowing in September was actually lower than was anticipated at 14.1 billion pounds.
These figures lead analysts to predict that the government is on track to control the deficit and hit their target.

government borrowing was at 63.5billion pounds...which is 7.5 billion pounds down on the same period last year.
These figures were taken from a report on the 21st of October, so they are current.

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they were figures for pubic spending borrowing not the full borrowing;)

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CmonEileen did predict our streets would no longer safe to walk, and he was pleased to have left our area, after a dog was attacked.

That prediction proved right.

I don't know anyone who's dared to venture past there own front door, for over a year now.

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wondered why it was so quiet :Dcouldnt believe how many houses were for sale in accy when i was down at the weekend wots happening:confused:

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Nah yeh posted on here yeh were coming down,so everyone stopped in.:D

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Which figures are you talking about?
Were you talking about the figure I quoted?
My figures were for Public Spending Net Borrowing...excluding financial interventions.......so this isn't what you were talking about in your previous post??
If this isn't what you meant in post 703, perhaps you could clarify what you did mean so that appropriate responses can be made......and comparisons drawn.

You do not post clearly, so how are we to know what you mean......mind you, I sometimes think it is a calculated ploy to fudge the issues that you so clearly do not understand.

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Ya but it contradicts the Scottish facts and figures machine Margaret;)

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What no link, come on C'mon your slipping;)

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same old tories Cameron's war on employment rights - UK Politics - UK - The Independent ;)

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Lazy posting. Same old, same old.

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might be lazy but its true goodbye to your employment rights

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Lazy posting?.. I call it lazy government..this government have one aim and that is to make cuts no matter the consequences..they have nothing else to do all day but work on cutting jobs in the pretence this save money..anyone can do that and I call it lazy.

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cutting spending to save money? What do you do with your family budget when you are short of cash...........?
Do you go to a loan shark to help you through the tough times?
Do you sell some of your assets?
Do you spend less?
How exactly would you manage the financial crisis?

Whichever political party you support, it is plain that there have to be some very tough decisions.
Not by just the UK. The whole global economy is in peril.....some of it influenced by toxic loan situation which rocked the US economy and the current Eurozone situation is creating further external problems.

My comment on C'mon still stands...it is lazy posting and does him no favours.
If he understands the current situation then he could give us his ideas.......but that appears to be just too hard for him.

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The bottom line is Margaret C'mon and his ilk can't grasp the idea that their beloved Labour Party ran this country into the ground, what was the note left by Liam whatshisface, sorry there's no money left we've spent it all, its indicative really that when Labour knew they were going to be kicked out of office they began a scorched earth policy, just to heap more pressure on the incoming government, which is par for the course, Labour have never in their history successfully run the economy of this country, they have always left a dogs breakfast behind them for others to sort out

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I said on the run up to the election, that whoever won it, they would find it a poison chalice, because of the rampant spending that had gone on in high places.
It gives me no pleasure to see what I said come to pass.
If I am totally honest I cannot see anyone in the world political arena who could be called a 'leader'......they all seem to have half assed ideas.......and as for the Merkel Sarkozy partnership...well, those two just want to be the top dogs(I was going to say leaders - but each have their own agendas, rather than the common good) in the Euro superstate...laying down the law to all and sundry.
If any of them had had a single idea of how to sort out the financial crisis they would have done it by now

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I will just be interested to see how either of Cmon or Mancie would manage their own budgets if it was in such a dire state that ours is in at the moment....though we are in a far better state than some countries in the EU.
Spain has an unemployment figure of some 21.7%.........don't know what the figure is in Greece, but it is high.

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Well it would be easy, C'Mon would cut out his trips to Ibrox and Mancie would cut the ale down to 10 pints a day, simples:D

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And that would sort out their budget deficit?
If you can't pay for something then you cannot have it....that has been an abiding principle in my life......plus, if I have had anything left over when all the bills are paid, then I put it away for a rainy day...there is always one out there lurking.
Now if the politicians in the past used my fiscal policies we might not be in such a great mess.
I know this is a very simplistic way of looking at things.......sometimes the simple ways are the best.

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Well Margaret I've agreed with you more than once on this issue, I've never owed anybody out in my life, never had HP (not including a mortgage) if I want something I save up until I can afford it, I'm 65 now and that's how I've always lived my life, I can bear to think I owe anybody anything, I've even paid for my own funeral up front so that's one thing less for my kids to bother about when its time to depart for that website in the sky, or as cashy said the other day thy'll be going down yon not up there:D

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Where ever you go John, I am pretty sure you will find friends in either place....!

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But this government have not cut spending and are not saving money ..borrowing has increased and is at a record high as well as the deficit.
I expect this will yet again be put down to the recklessness of the last government but the fact is we are putting people out of work and onto benefits ..to me that is not as you say a "tough decision" .. more like a inept and stupid economic policy.
To take the attitude that we are not as bad off as Spain or whoever is as simplistic as saying we are knackered but just look at the neighbours!

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u turn after u turn now they are spending some money but is it too late after they made a cock up;)

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You didn't answer my question.........I asked how you deal with your own budgetary deficits.

When there is little growth.....then jobs are scarce. What do you expect the government to do? Manufacture jobs?

Our manufacturing base has shrunk. The uncontrolled immigration that the Labour governments allowed, let in people from other countries who will take any job that is going...they don't bleat on that is it not worth getting out of bed for.....or that they can get more money being on benefits, get up late and watch daytime TV.
Many people in this country have no work ethic.

It was Labour governments who encouraged a benefits dependence....and now it has grown into something which causes howls of pain when benefit claimants are targetted with back to work iniatives.
I am not saying that all claimants are getting benefits to which they are not entitled....but some are.
That is, taking money out of mine and your pocket to live better than we can. Beer. fags, wide screen TV, playstation etc. All paid for by you and me.

What would be your ideal way of dealing with the current financial crisis?

I will be interested to hear how you think this problem can be solved.

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The problem with our friends from the EU coming to work here is that many of them send large amount of their earning back home. This means they are taking from our economy and putting it back into someone else's.

This is very bad for the UK.

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Maybe you can explain to me why reducing the consultation period from 90 to 30 will matter?

People are being made redundant where I work, looks like I have been lucky this time. It would not matter if the consultation period was 90, 30 or 1 day, they need and want people to go so they will go and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

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There is also the other side to the coin Neil, people coming from other member states are entitled to claim on our benefit system too which is no doubt a hell of a site more than they could even hope to get in their own country, so where is it better to be out of work here on generous benefits or at home in their own country on peanuts:(

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Yes Neil, I appreciate this, and you are right it is bad for our economy and boosts the economy of their homeland.....and I have mentioned that in one of the many EU debates that is ongoing.

The other thing which is bad, is that if the person has children in their home country they can claim Child tax credit here.
Worse still is, if they return home permanently, they can still claim the Child tax credit that began while they were in this country.
It is a nonsense and should be stopped.
Child tax credits should only be payable for children who live in the country.If the migrant returns home then all Tax credits should be stopped.

I don't know whether the Benefits/child tax credit thing is an EU directive....but in any case, pretty soon anyone who arrives from any EU country will be able to claim the same benefits as someone who has paid into the system all of their lives. This should not be possible.

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Yes n despite any posturing from any of the big 3 they are quite happy wi this.

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Spot on Cashy.......just wait until the Roumanians get the nod to come over(in two short years)they will be entitled to health care, houses, pensions, tax credits, everything and you and me will be footing the bill.
OK, by then I suppose all these benefits will be lumped together and called Universal Credits....it is still our money(money we have worked hard for) whatever they call it.
They will be dipping their bread in our Gravy.
This is the wonderful EU (that Graham thinks we cannot do without) for you.

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I don't see how I deal with my personal budget has much to do with the UK economy ...unless you are one of those people who thinks running the economy of a nation is the same as running a household ;)
What do I expect this government to do?.:)..I expect them to do what any Tory government does.. make massive cuts with no concern of the outcome and then sit back and hope everything turns out ok.

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Mancie you still haven't answered the question......and there are parallels in running a family budget and running the budget of the country.
Running the finances of the country is obviously a much bigger deal, a more onerous task.
When I asked you what you expected the government to do, I didn't require the flippant answer that you provided...though it was no surprise to me........I was asking you what you expected the government to do to get work for people.
But you answered in your usual sarcastic way............nothing new there then.

Anyway, as it happens the government announced the iniative of paying firms£2000 for each person between the ages of 18-24 that they take on.......but I suppose you think that that is giving money to their pals.....businesses, lining the pockets of their friends
I ask again.....no doubt in vain. What would you do to solve the great financial crisis that the Uk finds itself in.
I await your scintillating reply with interest.

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as the old tory saying you have to speculate to accumulate;)

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Thought hat was a saying of everybody entering a bookies shop on a saturday afternoon;)

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1) it isn't a tory saying...it is just a saying.
2) you have to have something to speculate with.

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Cmon
I believe it was a bank who used to say that.

Still we all live in hope that you will ever, just once come up with a coherent point. you know not one line, or cut and paste, something you have thought for yourself, then defend it against criticism. Or is that too Tory for you....

Maybe this speculate thing is regarding Teflon Tony's decision to send the troops into Afghanistan and Iraq, or the one eyed scot selling off our gold reserves for next to nothing.

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theres a pattern here BBC News - UK unemployment increases to 2.64m statistics dont lie ;)

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As i recall twas John Major that was P.M. the last time unemployment was so high.:( but no doubt jaysay will blame Labour.:D mind you Major was too busy porking Edwina to notice.

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Depends how you choose to read/interpet them. After all crime figures were falling under Labour if you choose to believe the statistics (that were being bandied about). We all know that these facts and figures can be made to read how they want us to believe:rolleyes:. At the end of the day none of them are prepared to tell the truth and that is why the turn out at any election is a disgrace. Not very many people have faith in ANY party, apart from some of the die-hards of course. Good luck if you think that Labour being in power would make a jot of difference. This country has gone to the dogs and NONE of the lot elected by us to represent us gives a damn.:mad:

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Spot on post Bernie. I have resisted making the same kind of post as I know Mancie and C'mon will only lambast me for supporting the Tories.
There is no party which can be deemed faultless....and Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Ed Balls need to shoulder a lot of blame for this by letting the banking industry get away with things that should not have been possible.
I know previous governments haven't been blameless either, but jobs were being exported when I was in my twenties........I was made redundant because the company moved, lock stock and barrel, to South Africa where manufacturing costs were cheaper.
And successive governments have 'massaged figures' to bamboozle us. They are all a shower of chyte( Thankyou Tealeaf for that word)...none of them can be trusted. End of.

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Well Labours fingerprints are all over it, it doesn't help when they created 1 Million new civil servants, all paid for out of the public purse, Private business would never survive with with the ratio's seen in the public sector, I wounder how long a building firm would last if the employed 150 tradesmen and 150 office staff, why should public sector be any different, the only difference being that the public sector can't go bankrupt they just fleece the public for more money to run their departments top heavy with staff, something that has to stop

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Oh was it Labour in power before Major? I musta missed that.:rolleyes::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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So that's where all the food scares came from - poor Edwina had to resign...
Major scares:

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Ya she got a birthday card from ella fitzgerald and sammy davis Jnr. it just saying happy birthday Edwina from Sam and Ella:D

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so we could maybe let goverments off the hook it was big business who cut their nose off to spite their face .who was supposed to keep buying goods when their fiscal policy in britain was to create unemployment i just dont get it ohh yes i do it was pure greed and the shareholder mentality instead of living by their means.the real reason we are in this mess .ps the tories made it easier for them as it was their chums..

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Are they all as thick as you up Scotland, you and your ilk keep forgetting that irks like you would have any job to got if people didn't invest in Business to employ a workforce, so when you go to work and pick up your brush, think how luck you are that somebody lets you sweep up;)

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ha ha :D thought that would be somebodies reaction, but no public to buy their goods means no business.how can a company like thomas cook get away with owing a billion pounds:confused:

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If you learn to punctuate, then maybe I might read your post and be able to understand what you are on about.

I could try and punctuate it myself, but I am sure it would all be the rose tinted stuff that you always post...your labour luvvies are not repsonsible for any of this........ are they?

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All businesses have changed, that is why town centres are dying on their uppers....people shop differently, they travel differently...e-business has taken lots of trade away from the high st.

Public are buying goods, they just buy them in a different way now.

That is one of the prime reasons that Thomas Cook have suffered a downturn, well, that and the fact that when money is tight you don't spend on a foreign holiday.
Also a lot of the places that Thomas Cook took tourists to, are places where there has been civil unrest........do you want to holiday in a place where you could get blown up by a terrorist bomb? Or where there is an uprising....?No, well, surprising as it might seem, neither does anyone else, they would rather be safe and go to Bognor.

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Because people are now booking holidays on line instead of travel agents, but your too thick to see that

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well i book 2 or 3 a year,have done fer last 10 yrs, "All " booked online, at first i got the price online n went round travel agents to compare em, twas no contest, so don't bother now,just book online, in fact booked one yesterday.

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Most people are doing the same....they want to get the best value for their money....and you can't really blame them can you?

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Your right cashy travel agents are a thing of the past, why schlep down town to book a holiday when you can sit at home and do it, its a sign of the times, I buy almost everything by Internet or over the phone, and it appears I'm not the only one

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I organised a 6 month trip to Oz online...hotels, flights, train trips...everything...and cut out the middle man.

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Joan always books her holidays on line and has done for quite a few years now

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your a bit thick if you cant understand my question how can a company owe nearly a billion pounds ,thats what you would say living outwith their means:p

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companies do that........they can have debts for many reasons, it is like you and I having a mortgage.
I would think that most large companies have debts which are agreed by the banks that they deal with......Trading situations have been dire for them.......for the reasons I have outlined in a previous post.

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Think cmon forgets, Millions of people have huge debts n live beyond their means.......Its called a Mortgage.:rolleyes:

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Yes Cashy, as I have said before 'the man who has a clear conscinece usually has a foggy memory'........C'mon supports that phrase very well.
It doesn't matter how many times you tell him something....unless it comes from some dyed in the wool labour supporter, he somehow thinks it is tory propaganda.

Not only do millions have mortgages, they also have credit card debt, encouraged by the banks during the Viv Nicholson(sorry I meant Tony Blair - must've beena slip of the tongue).....Spend, Spend,Spend era.

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This actually shows what a complete numpty you really are, why do you think there has been all this fuss lately about Banks not lending to business, business could not survive without using the banks money, its a bit like government borrowing, given the fact that business doesn't have money until its trading and to even contemplate trading they HAVE to borrow money, much like governments, they have to borrow because all its finances are through taxation, taxation which is paid in retrospect, that is unless you want to pay your taxes in advance that is, on what you may earn. Over the last 18 months I think you've proved that you know little or nothing about anything really, so carry on linking, what looks like a good soundbite headline from the Guardian, I know its no use you reading the article before you post it because you'd be totally gaga within two minutes, your one brain cell would be over heating

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this is the reason why ;) there is a world wide recession banks have been throwing money about like confetti and when it has went tits up the working class people have been made to pay,with high inflation job cuts etc.i know banks lend to business dohh but commenting how they could borrow a figure heading to 1 billion .they will never get it back an idiot knows that even i know that ;):D so how have they done it .i dont think thomas cook has 1 billion in assets.:end::Banane20:

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Your still clueless, but the smiley looks like a great self image of yourself

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not clueless;) i asked a question and nobody has the answer;) i wont lower my standards to yours truly;)

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I answered your question.

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You do talk some first class twaddle.
Where have the banks been throwing money around like confetti??...certainly not to businesses...the small ones, the one who need the money. If they had been throwing money around the perhaps we would have a better growth forecast........ah, but you mean paying bonuses...why don't you say what you mean? Instead of us having to second guess.

The banks are businesses and can choose to pay what they like in the way of bonuses....however much we might disagree with this practice, it is what happens...get over it, because in real terms there isn't much else that we can do about it........no political party wants to listen to the electorate in respect of this....maybe you might remember this next time an election comes around......and ask the candidates what they would do about it if elected.......of course, they will spin you a line and do burger all.

Thomas Cook must have satisfied their banks criteria in order to get their credit extended(Banks do not lend money unless they have decent chance of getting it back).......and it is only the UK operations that are making a loss.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:To be honest I think you should refer all your post to joke of the day thread really, I get more laughs out of you than I ever got out of Tommy Cooper:D:D:D

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I used to have a company and am now retired. A company's assets are included in the end of year profit/loss. Banks usually ask their customers to have their premises valued regularly. I expect properties in the high streets have plummetted somewhat and that would be reflected in the profit/loss figures.

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Tory motto -
"We're greedy and selfish, join us"

Sorry, I think your wrong, if they were greedy and selfish they wouldn't want anyone to join, that would mean 'sharing'.

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Your statement is somewhat an oxymoron ;)

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Oh yeah, sorry. The Tory motto is:-
"If you're selfish and greedy join us. (Plus it helps if you're millionaire with attitudes from the 19th century)"

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:D and you are somewhat of a moron..is that a simile or a metaphor? :D

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So Labour's motto must be ' let's spend all the money and screw up the next government'

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Another dimwit to join jokestrap and prathead;)

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'Oh yeah'. Is that Old English you're using(as in Town Crier) or do you just have a spelling problem?
By the way,if you read the Daily Mail you'd know the Tories were nothing like that!

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The most progressive times for this country have come under Labour governments.

The Tories simply want to protect the vested interests of the ruling elite. You could argue that New Labour did the same but at least they gave some crumbs to the poor. This lot want to keep the crumbs as well.

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Whose nineteenth century attitudes?

Prince Albert's?

Byron's?

My great, great granny's?

Karl Marx's?

The little match girl's?

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I think your avatar has more brains than you

I can see you are going to be a popular contributer to the site, even groove will seem like a deep thinker in comparison to you.

Now, heres a few tips, don't go dashing off in a huff straight away with some run of the mill insult generalising us as a pile of bigotted barstewards.
Before you do that, start your own thread, stick to it, do not diversify by posting in any other thread, jump on anyone that dares to post in that thread, (after all it IS you're thread), even if they are daft enough to agree with you.
You will know when it's time to leave because you will discover the words, 'I am banned', beneath your user name, that is when you should leave.

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Come on, stop beating about the bush and say what you really think!

I thought we did quite well in the 19th century, before Labour were a glint in your eye, since they invented themselves we seem to have generally gone downhill.

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You took the words right out of my mouth Less.

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Tories funded by big business and The City. Labour funded by Union subs from ordinary working people. Says it all really.

I go on the basis of who I would rather go to the pub with. A Tory MP or a Labour MP?

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Is Labour still funded by those union subs?
And the days when the Labour party looked after the working people has long gone......Socialism doesn't exist any more...but I suppose that has slipped your notice.

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The political parties are all the same.........they are in it for their own benefit. The only time the electorate matter is when there is an election pending....and then we, the general public are fawned upon,and lied to by those of all parties.
Didn't you read about the expenses scandal? Those Labour MP's who were screwing us for expenses(just like the tory ones) were taking the money that you paid in taxes.....not much loyalty to the working class there, was there?

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Ah yes..how we yearn for the perfect days when the Tories ruled supreme..along with the Liberals

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...07_468x407.jpg

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Ooh look....Mancie, C'mon and Toffey guy.

What if the Tory M.P. Was a wealthy alcoholic that didn't mind who he drank with so long as he could have a good time & was generous enough to insist on picking up the tab. Whilst the Labour M.P. Was a Ttotal methodist with strict rules about supping the devils brew?

I think I know who I'd be having a good time with, we'd probably be having so much fun we wouldn't have time to talk politics anyway.

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I think you're so last century.

Police to investigate Labour donations scandal - Telegraph

;)

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Hmmm, not funded by union subs then?

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Yes, thank goodness for the invention of man-made fabrics, and cheap foreign Labour.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UuYx3ukZys...chav-48372.jpg

:rolleyes:

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If you can't beat em join em..you being an ex socialist seem to have taken that onboard.:D

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Thing is Mancie whilst i agree the Torys are complete *******, the other two Parties have also achieved that status.;)

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Where did you hear that?

I'm just anti-hypocrisy, sleaze, lies, and New Labour.

;)

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"Individual donations to the Labour party were vastly exceeded by those from trade unions in the second quarter of the year by a factor of 15 to one, according to figures from the Electoral Commission." Source: Financial Times 24.8.11.

The Tories always hit Labour with the Union funding stick. But where do they get their money? Big business, the city and wealthy individuals. At least the Unions are democratically accountable to millions of workers.

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Yes, let's try and work out where the destination of choice to live was, for every iffy oligarch, and off-shore tax dodger, due to the welcoming tax subsidies for the super rich, post 1997?

Oh yes, Britain, under new Labour.

:rolleyes:

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Unfortunately when you have to fund new hospitals, new schools and better public services you sometimes have to sup with the devil. A'la Labour cosy up with big business and Murdoch.

For all their faults the country did feel better under new Labour. The Tories aren't called the 'Nasty' party for nothing.

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'Feel better' under new Labour?

Is that like when the cast of Shameless max out their credit with their dealers, and have a big, mental party, not giving a thought to when someone comes along later to chop their legs off, when they can't pay?

That sort of mindless, stupid, 'feel better'?