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Oh dear.. never wanted to bring this up :rolleyes: but it was you who said you would shoot your kids..now I would call that an act of violence.. but maybe in the nicest way.. like Victorian sort of fashion way you love.. lovey.:D

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I said theoretically I'd shoot my children.

If theoretically I was called upon to do so, if they were theoretically amongst a group of thugs, intent on violent rioting, and looting.

Not theoretically, I did say those who knowingly protected their offspring from the law, when they'd been involved in rioting and looting, were scum.

I still say that.

Now, dummy back in.

Back on thread.

Or I'll shoot you whilst you're sat in your pram...with this cute li'l Micky Mouse cap gun.

:dummy2:

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No scummy mummy and daddy.

No scummy kids looting and rioting.

No shooting.

No problem.

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No not you.. it was an answer to MargP..but now you can sleep well and dream of the day when we have a regime and people who would shoot their own children.. I hope it never happens but then we do have opposing views and we all have freedom to state what we think is right..

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Anyway, don't be bitter.

The majotity of people voted differently from you in a poll.

Get over it.

Time to move on.

Not everyone can have morals and standards, they'd like to pass on to their families.

Now, the Tories...

What have they done now?

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Oh, right.

Who's her Tory leaning 'friend' you mentioned then?

:rolleyes:

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...and this is Rupert Smythe.

Code name Blunt.

Location - Notting Hill.

Not as suggested by cover, a bothy in Scotland.

:rolleyes:

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If you or anyone thinks shooting 11yr olds on the streets are moral standards then yes it's really a waste time talking about the poll... what have the tories done?..I'd would think you are in a better position to tell us that.. seeing as you swing both ways as in a political sense;)

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Jaysay.. no problem for me to mention names on here but does seem to aggro the mods:d

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Yup, I've always been suuuuuuch a big Tory supporter.

That must have been why I used to p.m. you, telling you to temper some of your more extremist views, because you were likely to lose support for Labour locally up here, when I thought it impervative Graham Jones became our next M.P.

Oh yeah, and I didn't do everything in my limited power to blacken the name of his Tory opponent, Karen Buckley.

:rolleyes:

You really should be on the stage.

Comedian - Li'l Mancie Mirth.

;)

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Mancie, Just for your information......John and I are of the same era.
We have a lot of life experiences in common......he is not a well man....I was a nurse.....so are you telling me that I cannot be friends to John because he has had (in the past) active links to the tory party??? Is that really what you are saying?
You are amazing! And not in a good way.
I do not choose my friends for their political leanings.......or any other leanings. I choose to be friends to people because we have things in common.
My links with Garinda are different......I am one of his internet 'mothers'.......(I hope you don't mind G)

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Oh just an aside, Mancie.........why don't you have a read at my blog...especially the couple about poverty........it will give you some idea of why I support no political part or dogma.

Being poor. - Accrington Web

there is a link for you.

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Not at all.

Though I regard you more as a big sister.

Someone I look up to, because you have common sense, and more experience than myself, and who is therefore wiser.

Also you act as a self-censor, when I'm tempted to use inappropriate language, because I know you don't approve.

Quite honestly there's no one on here I don't like on here.

That'd be daft.

Just because we may have differing opinions, doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong, good or bad.

I like Mancie. He is intelligent. Though his attacks sometimes disappoint me, if they seem unprovoked.

I think doing this undermines much of the well observed points he makes.

Still, typical blinkered politico, so what more can we expect?

:rolleyes::D

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Its marvelous really that only two people keep this thread going one in Scotland and another in London, this thread is now 513 posts long, not the longest every but quite substantial, its just a little funny that the people directly involved in labour politics have had very little or nothing to say (I ain't trawling back through the whole thread).

The most hilarious thing that has come out of this thread is people trying to pigeonhole others if they even dare to disagree with their left wing rantings, it may have worked in the 60s and 70s but it don't anymore

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Isn't that like when you wrote to the press, labelling this forum as a place of 'vile and vicious attacks' against the then Tory Leader of the council?

Or is it different, if people 'dare to disagree' with someone's right-wing views?

:rolleyes::D

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Personally I see great similarities between those who blindly support their chosen political party.

Be that Conservative, Labour, or that party led by that 'nice' Nick Clegg.

It's like supporting a football team.

Since they started following them they may have moved grounds, had umpteen different managers, totally new players, and be playing in a different league...but they'll still faithfully support them, and rubbish any opposing team, regardless.

http://smileys.smilchat.net/emoticon...pporter-30.gif

:rolleyes:

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I had to use the Obs at that time because I couldn't call you to your face like I do now:D

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G...that is a damn fine analogy!
And I see myself as your mother because you and my daughter could be brother and sister....your ages are very close. Besides, sons take more notice of their mothers than they do of their big sister(or that is my experience of life anyway).:)

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Wouldn't know about that Margaret, never had a big sister, or brother for that matter:D

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The analogy was about the football...the other comment was just to let G know why I feel more like his mother than his big sister. :)

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Me?

:eek:

I had no idea you meant it was I myself, who was attacking your little pal in a 'vile and vicious' manner.

Notice you never supplied any evidence posted on here, to back up your claims...as of yet.

:rolleyes:


http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...web-22265.html

Rereading the thread it seems as if there was very little support for the labels you were happy to attach, to those you saw as playing for the 'opposing team'.

:rolleyes::D

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Evidence:eek:I'd be typing for ever, Britcliffe has had more threads on Accy Web attacking him and anybody else, some of it legitimately others NOT, but when one persons opinion is seen as an attack by some one else, your never going to win

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See, this is were the political blindness comes in.

I have never, ever attacked Peter Britcliffe.

I'll totally admit I have attacked some of his proposed ideas, and policy decisions.

Indeed I've often posted my liking of him on a personal level, and have even defended him on here.

I'd love to see evidence proving otherwise.

Certainly evidence that differs greatly from the personal insults made by some on here, aimed at someome from 'the other team'.

Mainly their player, one Graham Jones.

:rolleyes:

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Save your energy.

No, you're not, on this issue.

;)

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I've no need to and no longer care and haven't done for a while, ;)

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Yes, we've enjoyed neutering you.

http://wapgroups.com/pics/ATTHECROSS...Uuw6NU30FJ.gif

;)

:D

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Be carefull:gooddog:
:rolleyes:

:D

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It hasn't helped his cause that he has avoided posting on this forum in the first person whilst making generally unfavourable remarks about the site on a regular basis.

Say what you will about Graham, at least he comes on here to face the guns.

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But like yourself the visits are fewer and further apart and never when there is anything controversial being debated;)

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funny, this is what ive been saying all along what the economy needed BBC News - Ministers consider £5bn spending boost for economy

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No you haven't is what the links you put on have been trying to say

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looks like you were wrong as your pay masters have admitted they have to inject 5 billion pounds int o the economy;)

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If we all chip in for the bus fare, could you please go and sort out the Greek economy?

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its doomed unless they find oil in greece;)

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So that's a no?

Thanks anyway, for your in-depth political analysis.

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ok they need to leave the euro and de value thats what i think will happen which will bring at least a billion in tourist revenue as it will be the cheapest country in europe to holiday they need to start manufacturing for export and employing tax men to fully collect their taxes ;)

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"Mr Papandreou on the line for C'monStanley..." ;)

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Not just the Greeks that lost their Marbles then - Employ tax collectors.Take a run and jump.:hehetable

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Would appear that this none story is just another BBC red herring;)

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Cameron: "The recovery out of the recession for the advanced economies will be difficult. Growth in Europe has stalled, growth in America has stalled. The effect of the Japanese earthquake, high oil and fuel prices is creating a drag on growth. But fundamentally we are still facing the aftermath of the world financial bust and economic collapse in 2008." And there was me thinking it was all Labour's fault

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A low blow, but I'll let that one ride for the time being and give you the benefit of the doubt.

I've never dodged a direct question but there are periods when few threads pique my interest.

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Ok, but if the threads are too bland for your taste, you can always spice them up with some smart-assed comment;) ... I've been known to do it myself on occasion:D I sense what might be at issue, altho' I may be wrong, is your lack of "visibility" since the election.

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Maybe, just maybe he has been advised to keep a low profile.
There will be many things now that he will not be at liberty to discuss in the same way he was before he was elected....and that isn't surprising is it?

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I don't think so!!!!!
All of a sudden you are agreeing with DC........go away with you, you are yanking someones chain....or trying to.

Nice to see some capital letters though.(are you sure you wrote this yourself?)

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Ya I've have noticed that the Italian, Greek, Spanish, Irish, Portuguese and even the American economy is very shacky, maybe if we had carried on with the Viv Nicholson economic policy so much favoured my Brown and Darling, we too could have been on the list;)

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A low blow Kenneth old buddy, well not really, it was quite obvious that prior to the May elections you had plenty to say on anything and everything, but since then you don't seem to have the time to answer the simple questions anymore, but if you remember I DID say this would happen, although being a fortune teller was never one of the strings on my bow;)

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Yes and no, Marg. Whilst no one has been issuing orders to stay away from Accyweb (or indeed the web in general) I've had lots of pressing things on my plate over the past few months and they've had to take priority.

I'll never dodge a direct question and will give comments on anything people ask of me but my absence recently has nothing to do with Labour being in control.

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Work always comes first. I understand.

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wonder if the local tory members of the council claimed their full expenses and allowances when they walked out Hyndburn Conservatives walk out of council meeting in protest at MEP's address | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk

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Every day that passes see's some new dilemma thrust upon this sinking nation. I remain adamant that whilst we remain within the strictures of Europe, and the lacklustre tories kowtow to Clegg's petty demands, then no lifeboat can rescue us from the plight that our leaders seem to care not a jot about.

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That's the only problem with a coalition Stumped, you have to give and take, and with numerous other countries lurching on the edge of the financial abyss, including America, the measures taken by the coalition over the last 17 months, are at the moment, keeping us afloat. One thing is for sure if we had carried on borrowing and spend like the last Government we would be really up the creek without a canoe, never mind a paddle. I can't understand how anyone can keep throwing money at financial problems, it doesn't work in Business or in your own personal life, so why should anybody think its the way forward in Government, the bottom line is, if you borrow money you have to repay it, that goes for the individual, business and even government

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In short, it is called living within your means.

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Exactly, if only politicians could grasp the fact

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I don't think they can....I don't think they ever will.
I was reading stuff about hospitals having to close because they are crippled by the charges from the PFI (let me think.....whose bright idea was that?...can't think right now...but I'm sure Cmon will have some link or other about it).

When PFI was implemented I was still working in the NHS, and I said then that it would be the death of some hospitals when it came to paying back the exorbitant charges(these charges were like 'topsy'....they started off little).
If I, as a lowly nurse could see this way back then....why couldn't those who were in charge of making the decision to use this system see it too?

You cannot have what can't be paid for. It isn't complicated is it?

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Well I know you were a very good nurse Margaret, just a pity you didn't stick your toe in the political arena, I'm sure you would have made a big difference

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John, I was so absorbed in my nursing that everything else took second place(and that includes family).
I didn't have time for ploitics, and I didn't feel that I could relate to any of the major parties.......and guess socialism was dying on its uppers anyway(true socialism that is...caring for people).

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And that never worked either, or maybe I'm wrong, I remember them building a wall across Berlin, I'm sure it was to keep us decedent westerners out of their socialist utopia, I seem to remember people being smuggled into East Berlin, so they too could share in the trappings of true socialism, or have I got mixed up somewhere;)

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Yes, and it's funny how so many ardent socialists in this country (including many on the left wing of the Labour party) were beguiled by the propaganda of the USSR into believing that it was a socialist utopia. They're quiet enough now...almost as quiet as all those across the political spectrum who believed that we should enter the euro because it was the future! :rolleyes:

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Steve, there are some politicians who even now would still take us into the Euro.
The single curency has proved to be a shackle....it has tied those with strong economies to those with weak economies...and this was done not for economic reasons, but for political ones. It didn't lift those with a weak economy, but it dragged down those whose econonies were stronger
A huge experiment....and one which was doomed from the outset.

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...so, if they were so wrong about the Euro, could they be be similarly wrong about the desirability of the EU as a whole? :confused:

Perhaps they should put it to the test with the referendum they all promised us?

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A free trade area was evolving into a United Sates of Europe, and has failed at the monetary union stage.

The ones who want an eventual world (totalitarian) government will cling to the concept no matter what, and only a 'European Spring' upheaval will put them off the track towards that 'New World Order'

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And it was funny how so many ardent nationalists in the UK (including many on the right wing of the Conservative party) were beguiled by the porpaganda of NAZI Germany into believing it was a national socialist utopia .... ;) Maybe it had something to do with the trains running on time:D

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Ok, Milton Friedman I aint, but I never really understood the single currency ... or, more precisely, why it was deemed necessary:confused: The US and Canada seem to do ok by accepting each other's currency ... I can go down to Syracuse, NY and spend my $CAD with no problem. And it was no problem even before NAFTA. But part of what you say I don't completely agree with. The strogest economy in Europe is that of Germany ... (looks like the sonsabitches finally won:rolleyes:). It doesn't seem to have been "dragged down." I read somewhere the other day (can't remember exactly where; so, can't put in a link ... gettin' old the memory is going:D) that the German will be one of only two major economies in the welt that will grow by over 2%. I suspect that the Naz ... oops, sorry, "Germans" will help bail out Greece; but, I don't believe they are being altruistic. I have a feeling they will make a buck out of it. And if Greece defaults, the Germans will no doubt send in the duns ... a little more civilized than sending in the Wehrmacht, but then, we live in a more politically correct age:rolleyes::D

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Eric.......the Germans may bail out weaker members but the electors don't like the Greeks or any other nationality dipping into their pockets for money.
I think that even though the German economy isn't perhaps as weak as some of the other members, there will come a point when the weaker members will have a detrimental effect on the economy. Even though Germany is a stronger economy.....I am sure I read that economic growth is not going to be as strong as was first forecast.
If Greece opts for an orderly default, and those who are currently carrying Greek debt get a 50% 'haircut'....how do the germans make money on the back of something like that? I'm not being 'fly' when I ask that question.......I really don't know how it is done and would like some enlightenment.

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When I need enlightenment, I consult my economic advisor:

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...1&d=1317500771

Here she is ... contemplating abstruse economic theories.;)

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love the pic Eric.
ask your financial adviser what he/she thinks........I bet she has more idea that the current economic advisers:D.

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As Wyn knows I've always supported being in Europe, for trading purposes, I think the only good thing did during his 13 years as Chancellor them PM was NOT taking us into the single currency, but he did sign the European constitution without a promised referendum. A few years down the road, just like some Tory MPs I'm beginning to wonder if GB plc, would be better on our own, now whether this will happen in this Parliament I don't know, because the Lib/dems are pro Europe, but with so many countries now falling foul of the single currency, and even though we have no part of it, we seem to be getting suckered into help with the bail out, its time to cut and run

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we never got a chance to say whether we preferred to go it alone...and I don't think we ever will. The politicians know the answer to the question and they don't much like it.......so they don't ask...and don't listen if anyone mentions The EU and their insidious creeping laws....which everyone else ignores, but we (daft sods) follow to the letter...to the detriment of society.

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If everybody obeyed the rules it would be fine but we are the only saps (the British stiff upper lip and fair play) who do:(

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I think that a referendum would be a great idea ... they can be scary when so much is on the line. We've had a couple in the last 30 years, both in Quebec, about independence for French Canada. The future of our country was on the line; but, we weathered the storm, and in the last Federal election, the speratistes were soundly trounced. But the vote had to be taken to clear the air so that Canada could get on with the business of taking over the world:mosher: I think your govt. has to realize that they can't keep the lid on something that many citizens ... the important ones, the ones with brains that they use for something other than reading the tv listings ... want to have cleared up. Hard line govts. in the Middle East have found that, however restrictive they are, they can't stop their citizens from getting at least some of the things they want. Govts. have to eventually listen to the people.

What a lot of us outside Europe are concerned about is the effect of the ailing Euro on the world economy. Even here in Canada (and along with the Krauts, we have the only economy which will have over 2% growth this year) the govt. is concerned about the fallout.

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The thing about recent governments Eric, is they have failed to recognise that some of the electorate have brains that they use every day.
So much in life has been dumbed down, so much in life is being taken over, government wants to be responsible for much in our lives....they want us to be thick, because thick people do not question...they just follow where-ever the govt wants to lead...not for me. I have always asked the questions....been gobby...especially if I thought someone was trying to get one over on me.

As for the economic fallout....everyone needs to be worried....governments, banks, financial institutions are gambling with our money....future pensions.

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Reminds me of something from Shakespeare: "He thinks too much; such men are dangerous." Govts. like to have voters that can't think; or, are too busy watching "reality" tv that they don't have time to think.

On the bright side, for those of us fortunate enough to live in the Great White North, the fallout from the Euro crisis will not affect Canada all that badly. We went through the last recession with hardly any damage to our economy. Most of us didn't even notice it. And it will probably be the same the next time.

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then you must consider yourself lucky....that you will be relatively untouched by the financial crisis that we are embroiled in.

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It has nothing to do with luck ... our banks and other financial institutions are rock solid, and controlled by sensible legislation. Our economy is based on resources that we are fortunate enough to have in abundance ... and it is stuff that is always in demand: oil, natural gas, iron, nickle, gold, uranium, potash ... lots of neat stuff. And because of our political system, the Feds can't sell off our natural wealth for short term gain. Mineral wealth is owned by the individual provinces. For example, Alberta gets the revenue from their oil, as does Newfoundland. The government of Saskatchewan gets the revenue from their potash and uranium. Quebec sells power to the North Eastern States. And BC grows the finest marijuana on the planet;) The manufacturing sector is the most vulnerable, and with the US as our major trading partner we will suffer some.

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I didn't mean luck in that sense.........I meant that you are lucky to be living where you live.......that you have resources that are protected(by sensible legislation).

I don't suppose you have every tom, dick and harry knocking at your door to let them in and provide them with everything their own country cannot......I guess you don't have people there who hate your guts,despise the country they have adopted, but who will take every benefit that is on offer...try to blow you up...... and we can't deport them....because of simpering EU rules.

We had a wonderful stock of gold reserves.....some chancellor or other was short sighted enough to think that we didn't need a buffer against hard times.....he thought that the days of boom and bust were over and could never come back.
So yes.......please consider yourself lucky. Because if you ar buffered against the current crisis...you are lucky.

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Not to worry Margaret, the two Ed's seem to have all the answers, just a pity they didn't put um into effect between 1997 and 2010 when they had the chance;)

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The immigration thinggy: Obviously lots of folks in other countries would love to come to Canada. But there are stringent rules, and a points system. We usually take only those with the skills that we need. At the moment, people working in the health care field are needed. Skilled trades also. And the present government is on a rampage to find those who are here illegally and ship them off home. There is a hot line system by which citizens can report those whom they suspect are in the country illegally. Quebec has its own set of rules ... mainly to do with the French language. And Quebec also demands that immigrants "fit in", in the sense that they have to respect democracy, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, equality of opportunity, and equality between the sexes ... this last one upsets some muslims, but screw 'em if they can't take a joke.;) However, we are generous when it comes to aid. Canadian warships and troops were very quick to respond in the recent Haitian earthquake crisis. The immigration rules were relaxed for victims, esp. the ones that had family already in Canada. For reasons that are obvious, most of them went to Quebec ... but you can bet your bottom dollar that it won't be long before they are eating poutine and cheering for the Montreal Canadiens. Apart from the First Nations, we are a country of immigrants. However, and it was admittedly just after the winter olympics, over 80% of folks polled considered themselves "Proud Canadians". And in la belle province, the figure was over 60%:eek:

And we have lots of gold ... most of it still in the ground though:D

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see...like I said before, you are very lucky.
We once had a country like that....but politicians didn't listen when we (the electorate) we re expressing concerns regarding the dilution of our national identity. We were told that immigration(of all kinds) was good for us....diversity was good for us. Any dissent was labelled as racist...which stifled any real rational discussion.
Now at the Labour party conference there is much wringing of hands and much saying of 'mea culpa'...there is an admission that unchecked immigration drove down wages and made us all poorer...and that they are going to learn lessons from the past......just as they have done before(though I didn't see much evidence of this learning).....they got it so wrong, but we have to live with the consequences....they will be long lasting and will alter the fabric of this country forever.
If I was younger you would not see my soles for dust.

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Ya Margaret and with all the posturing about vicious cuts being implemented I here Mr Balls would not be reversing any of the policies of the present Government

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I have mentioned before in several threads that what may be good for a country like Canada, might not be good for the UK. We have grown on diversity, thrived on immigration. We have developed a strong national identity. Folks all over the world know what Canada stands for. They know that Canada can be relied on as a good friend and loyal ally in a crisis: WWl, WWll, Korea, UN peacekeeping, Bosnia, Afghanistan (but not Iraq ll, 'cause we knew that was Bush BS), and whenever there is a disaster Canada is there with money and help. We have struggled to create unity out of diversity: for example, 8 million Canadians speak French as their first language; we have over 700 First Nations; we have major cosmopolitan cities, and we have millions living in farming villages and maritime outports. Let's face it, we shouldn't really be a country.

But the UK is different. It has (or maybe "had") an identity built over centuries. The UK is the cradle of democarcy, the model which all present day democracies have followed. The British stood alone against the Nazis after the collapse of France in 1940. The Battle of Britain, not Stalingrad, was probably the turning point of the last world war. Britain stood alone and faced down Hitler while Roosevelt sat scratching his nuts waiting to see if it was in the US interest to support them with 50 overaged destroyers:mad:

What unchecked immigration seems to have done is weaken that identity. I don't see any reason, economic or geopolitical why Britain cannot stand on its own, set limits on immigration, and set rules for immigrants ... play the game by our rules or get the hell back to where you came from:mosher: You guys don't need to form a new identity based on diversity. Screw that. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the one you had. I know I don't live there, but I don't believe it is too late to halt the negative changes that immigration and the EU have wrought.

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While we are in the EU, the rules are made by unelected officials in Brussels....who have no idea of the fabric of our country...or perhaps they have and don't care about the damage that is caused by uncontrolled immigration.......everyone in the EU has a right to make their way to the UK if they wish....and all seem to want to come....the benefits system is much more generous that that of other countries.
I'm not saying that all the in-comer are claiming benefits...some are working, but spend their cash in their own shops......send the money home, where it will buy far more in the way of goods and services in their own country....they claim tax credits and allowances for children back in their homeland, and even if they go home, they continue to draw this benefit.
Does this seem a nutty situation to you? It does to me. I worked all of my life, paid into the system all my life.......I have a modest pension and I am taxed on that to pay these benefits to people who send the money home....do not put it into the economy here in the UK.......and they can do that because the EU says it is alright.

We in the UK follow the rules of the EU to the letter...in france and germany they choose which rules they will follow and they seem to get away with it.
You may not think it is too late to halt the rot that has beset this country...but I do, because no-one has the cojones to get us out of this pernicious money swallowing political entity.

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Never had you pegged for a fatalist, hon.

You might enjoy this. It has nothing to do with "Tories"; and you don't have to be religious to appreciate it ... I find it uniquely English. But, then again I've been away for a while;)

St Paul Cathedral Choir - Abide with me - YouTube

And maybe I'm getting sentimental in my old age:D

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I'm not really a fatalist...but tell me how do we change this situation when no-one will give us a chance to have a say?
Democratic process has failed because we do not elect those who shape our destiny in Brussels........our own political parties are too wimpish to go to the country and ask the electorate........they know what the answer would be....and figure if they don't ask the question then they don't have the thorny problem of getting us out of the EU.

Thankyou for the clip........I have always been moved by choral singing........and abide with me is a favourite of mine.

I stood in Canterbury Cathedral a couple of years ago and listened to the choir singing this and the big bulbous tears crept down my cheeks.......so you aren't on your own.
You need to join my old mushters club....there are a few of us in it.

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I know how you feel Margaret:s_cry::s_cry::s_cry::D

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Wanna Join John?????:)

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I would be more of an amalgamation Margaret, I've been at it for years:D

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You don't mean to tell me you 'mushter' alone? Do you?

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here we go the start of the erodation of workers rights same old tories BBC News - Unfair dismissal claim term to double

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Did you mean erosion? Another lazy lazy post.

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maybe, buts its the same old tories walking over the working class

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Wrong, this is not a Tory government, it is coalition.
Lazy lazy posting anyway.

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More Socialist panic mongering ? I think you'll find most other European countries use the 2 year mark as the point of termination/extension of contract. I know they do here in Germany & the Country seems to be managing well enough. I personally have never had any problems with the Companies I've worked at, but then again I'm prepared to graft giving my bosses no reason to want shut of me, unlike some I've met.

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Does that mean Labour support the working class ? As discussed elsewhere Labour support the not working class more than the working class

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I remember seeing a documentary where people were asked if they were working class or middle class. They went to a housing estate somewhere down south and asked a single mother if she thought she was working class......'no...I'm middle class' says she.
The interviewer asked he why she thought this, her reply was.....'Well....I must be middle class because I don't go to work'........so now you know!

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Leave him to his fantasies.

He still believes that war mongering, multi-millionaire money grabber Blair, is the working man's saviour.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

The Peoples' Princess.

As seen at suburban palaces across the U,K., since 1997.

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You seem to be in good company in the tear department. Churchill told his private secretary: "I blub an awful lot, you know. You'll have to get used to it". And Sir John Colville said of him: "[He] wasn't scared to be emotional."

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I don't cry easily...but lovely music, beautifully sung just gets me.
I once went to the opera at Manchester Opera House. Madama Butterfly.....that made me blub like a baby....my escort had a very damp shoulder by the end of the performance....and I had a very shiny red nose.

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I see you watched "Dispatches" on Monday night too Rindi, wonder if C'Mon did:rolleyes: na the truth always hurts;)

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You know I've never met C'Mon but I'm sure I'd recognise him if I bumped into him, he'd be limping badly seeing the number of times he shoots himself in the foot:D