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The eighties revival continues.

'Up to 100,000 unemployed under-25s would be forced to take a government-paid job to get them off the dole or face losing their benefits under proposals from Labour.'

Labour plans to make 100,000 unemployed take government-paid jobs - Telegraph

Thatcher would be proud.

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what making them civil servants:p this hairbrain idea BBC News - 'Sobriety Orders' to be piloted by government how are they going to implement this ? ohhh i know lets put it out to tender to a private company [cameron and osbournes mates ]

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I haven't watched the programme but nevertheless quite a lot of my generation already knew about the withdrawal of basic human rights and the torture inflicted on man by Hitler and the Japanese. Thus it was right to try to make sure it never happened again and if it did then there would be a European Court to deal with it. In the 1950s when it was the norm for the state to give the ultimate punishment of death to calculating murderers it wasn't envisaged by Churchill and others how the law would be used to protect villains from meeting their maker.

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Quite right, Thats the whole point, it is not now the reason it was introduced, Thats why we should tell em to stuff it.

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this is quite interesting My View: The UK's Debt

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the great tory carve up.camerons mates[private firms] who are in favour of the health bill are all tax dodgers https://apps.facebook.com/theguardia...rms-tax-havens

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Ken Livingstone facing new query over charity 'kickback' which helped him save £50K in tax payments | Mail Online This makes some interesting reading C'Mon seems the seesaw swings both ways on this one pal, read and enjoy:D

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Johnny Depp accused of stealing glasses
from an Oswaldtwistle man.

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Scotsman loses glasses whilst
visiting Hyndburn.

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Err which scotsman is that yerself:rolleyes:

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:D:D:D:D:D but here is another decision seemingly labour did do their homework;)

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To do homework you need brains, something which you sadly lack, and keep proving every time you post

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Ex-Treasury secretary, Labour's Liam Byrne's note to his successor: there's no money left.

Ex-Treasury secretary Liam Byrne's note to his successor: there's no money left | Politics | guardian.co.uk

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When you say it is quite interesting, that is because you didn't understand it.
You can prove anything with statistics and bar graphs.

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My first post on this thread - I saw the Andrew Marr Show this morning and they were talking about the Chancellor - George Osbourne cutting the top tax rate of 50p - showing their true colors here! :eek: So much for equality!

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this is what i meant Government plans U-turn on aircraft carriers as catapult costs spiral | Politics | The Guardian and on another note goodbye to the falklands;)

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Or you hadn't seen the pictures in the Guardian at the time

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Announced today the new rates fo the minimum wage;
•The adult rate will increase by 11p to £6.19 an hour
•The rate for 18-20 year olds will remain at £4.98 an hour
•The rate for 16-17 year olds will remain at £3.68 an hour

I reckon that works out at an increase of around £4 a week for an adult on minimum wage and increase of nowt for those under the age of 21..but then of course eveything is cheaper for the those under 21, and most of them are looting and causing riots in their spare time :rolleyes:
In a week when Osbourne is about to make massive tax cuts for those earning over 150,000+ per year therefore gaining at least an extra £250 per week.. is this an example of the Tories "we are all in this together" attitude?

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the tories are really the enemy from within:mad:

No they aren't, they are a legitamate political party just as labour, lib dems etc.
You may not agree with their policies I may not agree with their policies, but there are plenty that do.

Both you and to a certain extent, Jay are far too simpistic when it comes to party loyalty, I do wish you would both consider the bigger picture before rolling out your crass statements.

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Quite right Less, from now on I'll leave this thread to jockstrap

Yeah right.

In the thirteen years I've been a member of Accyw...

Ooops sorry wrong speech.

In the nearly ten years of being an AccyWebber, (2013 will be here soon folks, what are we getting for Roy as a celebration?).
I've heard such said before, you can't seperate logic from loyalty to that party you resigned from.

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The 50p tax rate will raise more than £6.7 billion according to HMRC’s data » Tax Research UK 6.7 billion pound down the drain;)

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Assuming of course, that those who earn that sort of money don't use the services of very clever accountants to avoid tax

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Check your figures, cmon.
Labour raised the top tax rate from 40p to 50p and last year it only raised £330million pounds extra tax.(figures from HMRC) .To avoid the 50p rate rich folks moved £16billion of earnings into the previous year so paid only 40p tax on it-HMRC lost £1billion that it would have received if Labour had left it at 40p!
I'm not trying to justify rich folks getting richer but please get your facts right-your £6.7billion is the total amount the 50p tax was intended to raise!
To make things worse those clever rich folks will now move as much of their 2012/2013 earnings as they can into 2013/2014 and only pay 45p tax on it-so HMRC will loose out again!
It's the rich what gets the gravy and the poor-not a lot.

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think youve been listening to osbourne too long timescales;) we have to read the irish times for the truth .his policies are a disaster as i predicted in posts throughout this forum.you have to speculate to accumulate ,they started it too late.they havent got a clue and i predict will hit another recession in 4 years for reasons known to my self;)

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????? Can someone translate?

You don't get it,do you,cmon? If Labour had left the 40p tax alone by the end of the next tax year HMRC would have had £2billion more of the rich folks money-now they won't!

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it was temporary measure which done its job.the tories extended the time;) as another high street shop bites the dust.BBC News - Game Group to file for administration . i hope osbornes next prediction is true BBC News - Budget 2012: George Osborne raises UK growth forecast the only way is up.

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Seems like the Jockstrap has got a tight rein on the Bollocks:eek:

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Wehey i'm gonna be up £164 a year on the new budget

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this is what i was talking about oohh george osborne fiddling figures;) Osborne's 50p tax rate claims trashed

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BBC News - Leaked document suggests 'systematic fraud' at A4e i wonder if theres going to be proper enquiry and criminal charges.

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Are you a member of the Cabinet. or one of mugger Lord George Osbourne's family? ;)

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Nope the change in income tax has amd national insurance has done me good. On radio 2 they had people phoning in having done the budget calculator and I have to say surprisingly most of them were winners.

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Seems anyone can have a word in Cameron's or mugger Osbourne's ear as long a you donate 250,000 to Tory party funds...
BBC News - Tory Peter Cruddas sold access to PM, Sunday Times alleges

Quotes:

"If you're unhappy about something, we will listen to you and put it into the policy committee at number 10 - we feed all feedback to the policy committee."
"when we talk about your donations the first thing we want to do is get you at the Cameron/Osborne dinners"

Two years into the most desrtuctive government in British history is it a surprise they are all bent?

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Nowt new yon Mancie, nowt changes.;)

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Since they're all pretty much cut from the same cloth nowadays, they should share their donors out a bit more.

Especially now some of those obscene capitalist squillionaires, don't seem too keen on that Milly Band bod.

Donors stop funding Labour party after Ed Miliband elected - Today's News - News - JournalLive

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Do you mean like when Harold Wilson enobled the secretary he was allegedly shagging behind poor Mary, his wife's back, and sent her off to the House of Lords as Barones Falkender, as reward for services rendered?

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Not really but thanks for bringing it to light..I was thinking more of the lobbying by very rich individuals who it seems can influence government policy if they shove a few hundered thousand into tory party funds....for example a company involved in private health care might just have an interest.;)

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You're welcome.

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Bent, more like this?

Greedy politicans, demanding money from lobbyists acting on behalf of the very wealthy, in order to try and 'influence government policy'?

Labour ex-ministers Hoon, Byers and Caborn reprimanded over fake lobbying scandal | Politics | guardian.co.uk

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Or do you mean 'bent', more like this?

Accepting cash, from the super rich, in exchange for honours.

Cash for honours: Labour hid millions from auditors - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

At least in the old days poor Marcia only had to bend over backwards for randy little Harold, in order to get herself a title, and a seat in the House of Lords.

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One would think that its only the Tories who do these things until you look more closely, there was more than enough scandal while Tony, but I can't remember Mancie or his scottish counterpart dashing to put a link on accyweb. Remember how, in opposition, Labour said they would reform the house of Lords, no bigger a critic was Two Jags, now of course LORD Two Jags hypocrite

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Prescott only took the Lordship to please his wife and make her a Lady. He had a lot of making up to do.

Having said that. Same old Tories.

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Funding scandals hit every party. It seems that politicians leave their ethics and scruples at the door when they enter the corridors of government and get giddy with power.

This particular funding scandal is made worse by its timing. The Conservatives had entered the weekend completely immersed in the Google Page Ranking disaster of a budget perceived to be favouring their "friends in the city" at the expense of pensioners. Their diversionary tactic had been to rush out some nonsense announcement on Friday about minimum alcohol pricing, a policy they haven't started to think through, but which would be guaranteed to swamp the weekend headlines.

Instead, they get their party treasurer sounding like Delboy.

Complete Google Page Ranking disaster!

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scandal after scandal, with all parties having their snouts in the trough......nothing learned by any of them.

Party leaders assure the electorate that this was a 'one off'.........an oversight. Then a couple of months down the line it happens again.

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It's no wonder they resort to behaviour like this, they're all so poor. Osborne doesn't even earn enough to pay 50p tax on his earnings. It must be true, it said so in jaysay's bible.

George Osborne: 'I'm not wealthy enough to pay the 50p tax rate' | Mail Online

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My heart bleeds purple pee for him.......the poor sod. Might just send him some of my pension to help him out.

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Tick Tock the clocks ticking;)

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Maybe the only thing thats changed at no 10 is the menu..beer and sandwiches have been replaced with foie gras,venison and champange..mind you the clientele has gone down hill :D

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C4 have bought the rights to broadcast Tory fundraising events. They're going to call it "Cam Dine with Me"

Tories. Same Old.

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Are donor kebabs on the menu?

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Look's like Red Ken could be saving for a night out at Downing Street.

Inquiry as Ken Livingstone saves thousands in tax bill - Telegraph

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Which just goes to show what those of us without red or blue blinkers have been saying on here for donkey's years. Labour, Tories...they're all the same. In it for themselves!

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Yup.

Same old politicans, of all mainstream parties.

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I agree, lets see how Labour managed the petrol tanker drivers strikes if they happen. Unite are Labours biggest funder which must be a conflict of interest and should never have been allowed.

Last Sunday the Tories got it in the Sunday Times, will it be Labours turn this Sunday I wonder?

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i think everybody is missing the point about the tanker strike.ie why are they going on strike. its not about the money so what is it? is it they are outsourcing contracts to make the driver drive longer,are they going to be using beat clock condition which is dangerous with a fuel load? these questions have to be asked before we condemn the strikers as road safety comes first.

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What has this strike got to do with the current government?
The strikers are after better Terms and Conditions, I know little of ADR and how it is regulated, but these drivers are earning a average of £45,000 per year, that's more than a lot of Airline Pilots, but of course pilots only have hundreds of lives in their hands...

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As professional drivers, the tanker lads will be running on a Drivers card, driving times & pauses are stored & checked on said card.

Strict guidelines as to when & where to drive, pre planned routes which are set & followed plus various other rules, regs & conditions.

Further more due to EU policies they'd have undergone various modules concerning their job & undertaken several Hazmat/ Dangerous goods courses.

Having said that, that is how it is envisioned & as such is strongly enforced by the Police/BAG (DfT Freight & Haulage) & controlled over here even as a normal wagon driver without any Hazardous loads. Theoretically the same applies to UK.

So as to why they're threatening strike action, apparently over "Safety ? & Terms & conditions". But these issues are the same throughout Europe, so I think there's probably more to it than first appears to be the case. Unite & Mr.McCluskey flexing muscles ????

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dont think so.
, people should find out the facts instead of believing the lazy journalists.heres a few people david cameron forgot to mention;) Tory treasurer Fink left off donor list | Politics | The Guardian

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'It seems alarm bells were ringing about David Abrahams - the man at the centre of the hidden Labour donations row - as far back as the early 1980s.'
BBC NEWS | Politics | Northern view on donation scandal




Still, it's easy to turn a red, bloodshot, blind-eye, once those big donations start rolling in.

Someone had to pay for all those jags, Mandy's fish, chips, and guacamole, and all those bottles of 'Things Can Only Get Better' cristal champagne.

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Everyone knows that this sort of thing has gone on for many years by all political parties ..but the fact is that this is here and now.. if you feel the need to hark back and find anything not involving the Tory party and use them as an excuse then it's up to you.
Are you sure you have never been employed by the Tories as a Google Page Ranking agent?

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Oh trust me, I will carry on.

;)

As for being in the employ of the Tories.

Er...no.

That's ludicrous suggestion. Even for you.

Though I do remember many accusations in the past, from similar one party, half-blinded idiots on here, saying that I must be secretly working for Labour, when I used to criticise some of the daft things that were done, when H.B.C. was under control of the Conservatives.

I'll continue poking the politically blinkered with a stick, as an act of kindness.

Just so they know someone's actually there.

Give, give, give.

;)

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Anyone bought a Pasty today? It seems the Tory chancellor has put a tax on warm Pasty's - that is if they are warm you pay 20% and if they are cold you don't! :rolleyes:

Greggs will demand the Government dumps its 20% VAT on pasties and pies | The Sun |News|Sun City

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All they are doing is bringing it in line with other take away foods.
If you buy chips and a pie from a chippy you pay vat, but not from Greggs.
Of course VAT on hot takeaway food was introduced many years ago

Oh, sorry misread it, thought you'd said patsy, was going to congratulate you on your new job working for the Tories.

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If the pasty is allowed to cool then it will not have the 20% VAT charged on it. I'm sure if you ask for a cold pasty and they only have warm ones they will sell it as 'cold'/'cool' rather than miss a sale.
I think this tax is going to prove difficult to administer.

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the proof in the pudding they want us to go back decades David Cameron wanted to wave through donor's policy to destroy rights of workers - UK Politics - UK - The Independent n.m.w. will be next taking more money out the economy;) kidfs brainwashed to buy their goods David Cameron wanted to wave through donor's policy to destroy rights of workers - UK Politics - UK - The Independent tories the enemy from within.

The pie shop near B&M already charge an extra 10p for a warm pie.

Guess who doesn't buy from them?

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there is seriously something happening here and it stinks.how come tory donations have since david cameron came in Rotten to the core: The big Tory money that gave life to the Health and Social Care Act | Left Foot Forward

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this is how much the tories have received since cameron came to power The Green Benches: Cameron's Tories have received £159,484,285.40 in donations since he became leader. yes thats true.

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Mannings...never use them. I don't like their stuff at all.

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the revision of uk economy figures doesnt look good but their is one bright spot ;) investment could this be private firms paying into the tory party:D or the nhs to treble their money:( UK economic growth revised down to 0.3% contraction

UK GDP growth, quarter on previous quarter
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-0.3%
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UK Economy

The UK's economic growth for the last three months of 2011 has been revised down to a contraction of 0.3%.

The first two estimates of gross domestic product (GDP) from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed a contraction of 0.2%.

The ONS blamed the revision on the transport and communications and business services and finance sectors.

The annual figure for 2011 growth has also been revised down to 0.7% from 0.8%.

There was also a revision to the GDP figure for the three months from April to June 2011, which was revised from no change to a 0.1% contraction, meaning that the economy has been alternating between growth and contraction in successive quarters since the middle of 2010.

Analysts expect that trend to continue, meaning that the economy will have grown in the first three months of 2012, and that once again there will not have been a technical return to recession.


Will Hedden, IG Index: Companies are "sitting on their hands which stifles growth"
Bank of England governor Sir Mervyn King has predicted that the economy will continue to zig-zag between growth and contraction this year.

The pound fell to a two-week low against the US dollar of $1.5904 after the release of the data.

"What does it mean? Probably not a lot. But it kind of makes the starting point for 2012 that little bit more difficult," said Peter Dixon at Commerzbank.

"To some extent where you start determines your average outcome for the year, [so] it just makes the hill a little bit steeper in order to reach the Office for Budget Responsibility's 0.8% growth target."

But the data from the ONS was not all revised downwards.

"The one bright spot in the numbers is the investment figures have been revised up and that was a particularly shocking weakness in the original estimates, so I'm pleased to see that," said Brian Hilliard at Societe Generale.

The ONS also said real household disposable income had fallen by 1.2% the biggest since 1977.

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I don't believe those figures, Have a look at the electoral commission figures in these links for 2011

Quarter 1 2011 - Electoral Commission

Quarter 2 2011 - Electoral Commission

Quarter 3 2011 - Electoral Commission

Quarter 4 2011 - Electoral Commission

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You should have a look at how much debt some of the political parties are in while your at it then decide which is fit to run the finances of our country

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this is from 2011 and from private firms and mates.the figures are the ones they have officially published since david cameron became leader of the tories they have trebled the labour party get most of theirs from hard working salt of the earth people not these leaches who put self interest before their country the tories the enemy from within who want to destroy the basic fabric of british life and create poverty.

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Now, I know you didn't work all that out by yourself, but strangely there doesn't appear to be a link, or any form of accreditation for this information.

Still, you have been busy I suppose...cutting and pasting.

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who cares its the information that counts.its from the bbc:p not badminton is it;)

It's only information if it can be varified, please don't neglect adding your link in future, it's the only thing you're good at.

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In your case Less I meant Pastey as in Pastey faced! :rolleyes:

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I'm with Less here..........and besides isn't the BBC considered a bit biased these days?......it isn't the impartial agent that it used to be.

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'...figures show that since 2001, Labour have taken over £10 million from eight reportedly ‘non-dom’ donors.'

Iain Dale's Diary: Donations From Non Doms: Labour's Hypocrisy

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'Labour’s NEC needs to start planning now how they are going to handle this. Otherwise the People’s Party has put itself at the mercy of some very rich and powerful people with the potential to bankrupt them.'

Could seven millionaire donors bankrupt Labour? David Hencke

:rolleyes:

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has teh bbc ever been truely unbiased i think they bow to whoever is in charge because whoever is in charge has the power to take away the licence fee or keep it despite growing pressure for it to be scrapped .

or am i just been a tad cynical and the BBC would bite the hand that feeds it ?

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It has always seemed biased...but not necessarily towards the party in office...regardless of whether they are the ones who control the purse strings.

And I think the Beeb would bite the hand that feeds it.

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10 million compared to 179 million:D

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The figure I gave, unlike your's, was the amount donated to Labour by squillionaire non-domiciles.

I.e., tax dodgers.

Besides, wrong's wrong.

Two of them certainly don't make a right.

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After days of bad headlines about Tory funding suddenly Cameron and Maude contrive a fuel panic. Headlines gone. Co-incidence?

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And pigs will fly.:rolleyes:

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ohh look wonga.com 1000% interest this is why there will be no enquiries and is legal.no wonder they want rid of workers rights this is so sinister.anybody who supports the tories and is working class after reading this are pure idiots.David Cameron wanted to wave through donor's policy to destroy rights of workers - UK Politics - UK - The Independent tories the enemy within.

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this stinks as well goodbye nhs the tories are rolling in it the enemy from with tory scum NHS reforms: Tories pocket another £170,000 from fatcats linked to private healthcare firms - Mirror Online

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Do you realise you're going to look a bit silly when come the next election the NHS is still here; free at the point of use, based on need, not ability to pay?

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we will wait and see;) so you would vote for decreasing workers rights:confused: or you would go against party lines. are you proud to be financed by legalised loan sharks that charge 1000% interest apr.you and your party will look a bit silly when more revelations come out in the next private eye;)

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do you think there is going to be a leadership contest as even the tory newspapers are going against cameron Cash for access: Tory donors threaten to close cheque books over handling of 'cash for Cameron' scandal - Telegraph

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Andrew you should read this thread every day C'mon looks very silly every time he posts on here, we don't have to wait till the next election to have a laugh, he's just a bigot

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I think what I think, whether it be in line with a political party or not. I aint financed by anyone.

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Private Eye:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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so jaysay do you support to decrease workers rights:confused:

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No just that you get all your info from Private Eye:D:D:D but it figures

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more reliable than the sun lol:D