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Oh no! A member of the Church Liberation Front.

Power to the People! ;)

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Wow! a political philosopher, not much of a considered response though is it?

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It's the sort of response that befits a third-rate, hackneyed cliche like you've just come out with.

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It's interesting that you should feel that voicing any opposition to current politics in this country is a hackneyed cliche, however I reserve the right to express my opinion and applaud your willingness to engage in a debate in such a measured way.

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Yer entitled to yer opinion, its interesting also that you obviously aint read many political threads on here before opening yer gob, still thats nowt new.:rolleyes:

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Ha ha ha, what a pompous get you are! If you'd been paying attention for the three years you've been on here, you'd be aware that I and many others are well hacked off with Tories and Labour. As far as I'm concerned, we should vote for UKIP to put the wind up the big two and make them heed our wishes on a referendum on Europe, amongst other things.

You're not a member of the Socialist Workers Party are you? You sound remarkably like the ones I regularly argue with in Manchester city centre.

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Waste of time Wyn, Its the Tooting Popular Front Reincarnated.:rolleyes:

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Yes you are absolutely correct I haven't read any political threads on here, what I have done is engaged in real political debate at the Oxford Union and shared a picket line with the South Wales miners in 1984. Iv'e been present when this system that we live under has tried to shut the gobs of working people at Orgreave. No wonder then that if this is what passes for political debate in Accrington that the investment bankers go unpunished and the rest of us pay for their greed. Thanks for the opportunity to hear your views they have been very revealing.

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You're welcome. See you on the barricades, comrade.

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NHS nurse cuts: Heath Service re-hires hundreds of nurses because the cutbacks have put patients at risk - Mirror Online how many more mistakes are they going to make ohh wait a minute this is their ideological plan, kill off the poor they are only oiks:eek: so even using private firms doesnt fix it Serco takeover of NHS pathology labs 'led to clinical and financial failures' | Society | The Guardian serco mmm hedge fund .i wonder who is the major shareholder is:confused: yep no leave for you at the olympics as another hedge fund cocks it up,but dont worry youll soon have plebty of time as we consign you to the scrap heap. ohh by the way where is david cameron ahh yes using taxpayers money to do a favour for one of his tory donor mates IoS exclusive: Cameron in crony row over Brazil factory - UK Politics - UK - The Independent Almost 6,000 fewer nurses in NHS since election: figures - Telegraph

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You pompous arrogant git, Yeh know it all n know sod all,:rolleyes:

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Thanks for that your opinion has be noted and disregarded.

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P.S. it says in your profile that you are open minded, you might want to re-think that one.

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I don't think you're going to recruit many to the great workers' uprising. You seem to have a an excellent ability to rub people up the wrong way by talking down to them. :rolleyes:

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It says in your profile:-


Well there will be no time to man the barricades now, you'll have to find a proper job and start working for a living.
;)

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Oh for gods sake another DH:rolleyes:

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Its easy to see why he/she are now unemployed ;)

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Not really,cos as well as that,I have an ability to suss out clowns pretty quickly (Or so people have told me) And in your case i have. Whilst i cannot claim to be correct every time i reckon 99% i am. so as yeh fall in that rather large percentage, i would love yeh to prove me wrong,Cos thats another of me qualities, I can always hold me hand up when proved wrong.:D

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The only problem I have with that cashy are you sure he's a clown, think that is being too generous really:rolleyes:

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Hello, I freely admit that I have a tendency to irritate people I think that is largely down to a genetic predisposition to Lancashire plain speaking. If my comments have caused you or anyone else real discomfort the I apologise unreservedly, however I do like to stimulate debate.
I can assure you that I am no clown or DH (as another poster has suggested) but I do reserve the right not to agree with everyone for a quiet life or to gain popularity. And for the benefit of the previous poster I was chosen for redundancy partly because I have had serious health problems recently (although I can't prove that) and my career in the NHS hopefully bears testament to my commitment to others.

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Plenty of Lancashire plain speaking on here and you've been on the receiving end of some of it. However, your pompous, hectoring tone ("for God's sake wake up") does your cause no favours at all. It may come as a surprise to you, but ordinary folk don't like being talked to like that.

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Exactly why i said clown, which he denies.:rolleyes:

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It isn't a case of being talked to...it is a case of being talked at.
That is something that will neither win him friends or influence.

We are all entitled to our opinion...and some of us have spent a long time acquiring our opinions...but for you to take three years to decide what we all are, and what we are about is just a bit arrogant.....but I don't expect you to agree with that either......and beware, tossing out contentious statements in a drive to stimulate discussion could be seen by some as 'trolling'......do we feed trolls?

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Um you've had serious health problems recently, welcome to the club then you certainly won't be on your own on here, not by a long chalk

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But you won't mention this though.

Secret police probe into Labour MP's £500,000 - Telegraph


:D:D

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who controls all these charities that are springing up?are they getting donations off the goverment ? is there a link to the fundamental christian right in the usa where the tories have strong links Jobcentres to send poor and hungry to charity food banks - UK Politics - UK - The Independent Dr Liam Fox in Charge of Defence…OMG! | Centurean2\’s Weblog

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Sticks and stones etc! what a sad clique you are, first bit of opposition to your jaded views and you revert to type. Happily I'm under no obligation to interact with you and quite frankly your political naivety betrays your questionable intellects. Thanks for a revealing glimpse into the Accrington Web but its not for me I think, goodbye and good luck (missing you already)

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The fact that you brand Accyweb a "clique" betrays your abysmal ignorance of this group and its members. In most ways, but particularly in political affairs, Accyweb is anything but a "clique". A range of views are on display here from dyed-in-the-wool socialists like Mancie, C'monstanley and Toffee Guy through to free market Tories like Jaysay and Boeing Guy, along with a whole host of political mavericks in between. This being the case, there are frequently intense and heated debates on here, which usually involve quite a bit of mickey taking (something that humourless, holier-than-thou types can never tolerate, as you've already proved).

So, because we haven't immediate fallen into line with your views and "woken up" as you've commanded us to, you're taking your ball and going home? Oh well, never mind, I'm sure you'll have lots of fun discussing the niceties of Marxist theory with your fellow believers. Farewell, comrade!

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Yer under no obligation to do anything, n neither am i, so if yeh sod off i couldn't care less.:rolleyes:

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One final word, yeh is spelled "you" and n is "and" yer of course is "you"

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What a pedantic, petty, pathetic sod you are. Be off with you!

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OK if you say so!

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I love alliteration its betrays a poetic nature.

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Are you still here? I thought you were going about an hour ago?

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Bye you won't be missed.

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I object to being called a socialist when in fact I am a Crypto-communist and a Trotskyist at weekends.

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Were they rampant prior to or after the Dinosaurs :D

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I'm a bit upset I wasn't around to wave goodbye to our latest erstwhile member, maybe he'll become another Kez and keep returning like a bad penny:rolleyes:

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We have heard this kind of thing before......and are not impressed.
You think you are too good for us, when in actual fact we are too good for you.
Your leaving will not diminsh the forum one iota.

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Presumably due to your beliefs you only purchase goods to wear and goods for your home which have been manufactured and serviced by government projects. However, as a retired employer and owner of a small manufacturing company I emphatically refute such a wild statement. The truth would probably be that most of your purchases are made abroad, which makes you along with millions of others responsible for the demise of British industry with the resultant loss of jobs and skills which were passed down for centuries.

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...and here was me thinking you were a Bolshevik-Leninist with Maoist tendencies.

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Or a Menshevik-Bakuninist with Syndicalist leanings:rolleyes:

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Let's call a spade a...

New AccyWeb quiz...

What colour of brown am I thinking of?

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Oh dear this wonderful government have cocked up big time with this railway deal, But still its only cost the british taxpayer 4 million.:eek::eek: come n defend that un.:rolleyes:

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nope it cost more than 40 million as the tenders who never won get 10 million pounds of compensation that means the other 2 foreign companies got ten million each just for tendering.this railway privatision has cost the taxpayer more than 50 billion pounds what we know of.just because of a flawed ideology:confused: this has ripped apart ,just like the privatision of the utilities that the tories said competition would make it cheaper.but it has done the opposite.as the tories and their mates have pillaged and destroyed the infrastructure which made our country great,thats why the tories are the enemy from within this is why after the next election them and their like should never be allowed in goverment again.they have done more harm in this country than labour ever could.ye gordon brown sold off the gold but the tories destroyed the soul raped and pillaged our country.

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Now thats not a defence Cmon.:confused::D

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£44 million pound down the drain ,no wait given away for an ideology:confused:

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Yeh but everythings alright now,cos they have apologised.:rolleyes::D

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Could not agree more, but of course your beloved Labour, who we have shown many many times you did not criticise at all before the current Government, have done similar things. Well I say similar £4 billion lost when Gordon sold off the Gold. Why did they not re nationalise the Train network, they had a chance after the Hatfield Crash, but came up with Network Rail....
Just a small point, the current incumbents are a Collation Government, not just Conservative but also Lib Dem.


You see they ALL are the same as each other, once you accept that you will find life is much better:)

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So at last we get to the nitty gritty - you want a socialist dictatorship! Ever thought of moving to North Korea? :rolleyes:

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He'd last two minutes, before they'd put him against a wall:uzi:

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I'm pretty much with you on this (mostly).

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Don't leave now, it's just getting going. I've been away a few days and it's quite entertaining. I had the same response when I first joined (probably still do) but hey, it's all the more diverse for it.
To the others, why do you give new people on here such a hard time? I'm too hard faced and hard nosed to go away but others may not be the same.

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We don't always. But I don't take kindly to being lectured by some pompous, holier-than-thou, humourless git telling me "for God's sake wake up". Anyway, he's gone off in a strop now because we didn't all fall in line with his beliefs. I reckon he wouldn't be too happy with you anyway when he found out you'd voted UKIP - he's have you down as a xenophobic, reactionary little Englander. That's the standard left wing socialist line when I tell 'em who I'm thinking of voting for! ;)

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As Wyn says...we don't always give new members a hard time.
Ask Dave in Germany...I think he slid into the forum with ease...it is about affording respect......and not having that superior attitude...OK, so that new member had debated 'real' politics at the Oxford Union.......was that supposed to impress us?
It makes out that politics isn't for ordinary people....and that is what is wrong....too many 'ordinary people' fail to be interested in politics because of that kind of attitude.
Politics touches every part of our everyday lives......and we should have opinions, and feel that we can express those opinions without some toffee nosed member telling us we don't know what were are talking about....OK he didn't say that in so many words, but that is certainly what his pompous post implied.

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Also can recall a mention of "Orgreave" n being present, like this will impress us, well it don't impress me one iota, theres someone on here could lose this guy, with stuff n participation etc during the dispute.:rolleyes: but suppose he was a student back then n they always seem to know best.:rolleyes:

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Ya cashy long hair and a CND badge and the world was their oyster, or is that just an Ugly Rumour:rolleyes:

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You're right on this one. No attempt to hide his pomposity. Trotting out his political "credentials" as if they actually mean something in this sublunary existence. Kinda like those folks who put their "degrees" behind their names.:rolleyes:

Best wishes from all at number 9

Dr. Eric, B.Ed., B.A (Hons), (Sask.), M.A., Ph.D. (Queen's)

OMG:eek: I can't believe I did that. There goes my credibility ... shot all to hell.:D Must be the Black River Pumpkin Ale I'm pouring down my throat. Happy Thanksgiving, eh.:thepint:

By the way, our tories are getting a couple of things right. Tossing undesirables out of our country, and making it more difficult for them to get here in the first place.

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They can't be expected to toss themselves out here though Eric?:rolleyes::D

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And our tories get another one right:

Non-Christian prison chaplains chopped by Ottawa - British Columbia - CBC News

And guess which "faith" is doing the most bitching:rolleyes:

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very interesting read this National Debt & the deficit – What does it really mean? | PoliticsUK News

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10 billion off the welfare bill.watch the crime rate rise,suicide rate rise and business go bust.

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Agree - the Tories are really hammering the people at bottom of the ladder. But I do agree that these breeders who have over 3 kids (approximately) should be penalised and not encouraged to produce more offspring!

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if anybody can understand this answers on a post card please BBC News - George Osborne: Drop rights for a stake in firm

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What's there to explain? It is quite straight forward, if you forgo certain workers rights you will receive shares in the company you work for.
In return it is assumed you will be more willing to help make it a success.

Personally I will take the rights

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That would be a very dangerous road to go down boeing guy. could make it much easier fer a firm to take the option of going under,still if thats what yeh want.

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so what happens if your company hasnt got shares and which company would give shares free.so that means if they feel like it they can just sack you off for no apparant reason.it doesnt make sense:confused:

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Gents, for once I have to agree with C'mon.
Whilst I want the company I work for to survive, there are not many airline jobs where you are on first name terms with the CEO and President and you feel part of a family, I feel my rights as an employee are more important than a few shares.
I think this is a ill though out idea and will not work

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i think there might be some tax dodging scam for very high earners here.

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Thing is i doubt very much if its ill thought out at all, The intention is a backdoor way to erode what few workers rights are left. Simple as.:(

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I wonder if they were using the Lewis shopworkers as a template, who are all shareholders and thus have a personal stake in the company's fortunes.

During the strike ridden days of the 1970s the company I worked for part time offered us workers the opportunity to buy shares in the company for £1 per share presumably with the idea that we would think twice before joining the miners if we had a personal interest in the company's fortunes. I didn't take up the offer and I can't recall anyone else who did either. At the same time, my brothers who worked for a profitable quaker engineering company which had been established about 150 years and where it was rare for workers to down tools gave their employees free shares, the total of shares depended on the number of years they'd been employed. The majority of workers cashed their shares in immediately. This gave a toehold for a rival to buy the shares and eventually buy out the firm. The company name vanished from the directories in the early 1980s when the buyer stripped the assets and sold the defunct modern factory and recreation fields the workers once used.

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Nothing like a bit of Solidarity eh comrades:Banane36:

A similar thing happens at Thomsonfly a few years ago, things are still going well there.

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Never trust a Politician until they have been dead at least a week ;)

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Atos to Sub-Contract PIP Contract Back to NHS! | the void this is why we are skint you couldnt make it up:o

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this is a disgrace,yes public spending down but private spending goes through the roof what a waste of money 28,6189 Mail on Sunday readers write to Government to stop A&E closures... and Ministers still do nothing | Mail Online

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You traitor- reading Mail online!
That's your name added to the list, come the Revolution!

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It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it while Jaysay's away! ;)

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Yes but wait until Jaysay finds out it was cmon!

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Oh i'll tell him, he needs a laugh.:D

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Aw c'mon, what's wrong with cmon?

Opposite side of the fence to Jay, but just as capable of copying and pasting and just as likely to do it wrong.

Maybe at last the two sides of this political coin can join together and make an intelligent member?

:eek:

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-1+-1=-2.

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Now i know yeh been drinking.:D

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Iain Duncan Smith says that the Benefits system encourages problem famililes.

Benefits encourage problem families, says Iain Duncan Smith - Telegraph

Chancellor George Osbourne plans to cut another 10 Billion from the benefits budget.

It's OK when you inherited a fortune. :rolleyes:

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Philip Davies' suggestion that employers should be allowed to pay less than the minimum wage to the disabled just goes to show the kind of people that become Tory MPs :mad:. He clearly didn't think his idea through or consult with any mental health charities before proposing it in Parliament. The motivation behind the idea is quite obviously contempt for disabled people, (who he considers to be "clearly" inferior, "by definition" :rolleyes:).Not only that, but his pathetic defence that criticism of his proposal is just "left-wing hysteria" demonstrates the Tory paranoia, that all criticism of their lunacy must be some kind of left-wing conspiracy ;) :hidewall:

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Iain Duncan Smith who is cutting housing benefits lives in a mansion FREE! :hidewall:

Tory welfare secretary Iain Duncan Smith - the man slashing housing benefit for hard-up families - is living in a £2million Tudor country pile for FREE.

Unlike worried Britons facing homelessness because of his savage cuts, the former Tory leader, 56, has the run of a palatial home which doesn't cost him a single penny in rent or mortgage.

The Grade II listed building, complete with swimming pool, tennis court and five acres of gardens, is the ancestral home of his wife Betsy's multimillionaire aristocratic family.

Not only does the house come free, he doesn't have to worry about his four children paying inheritance tax on it because he and his wife are not technically the owners of the 16th Century home, in Swanbourne, Buckinghamshire.

He was given use of the mansion by his father-in-law, Baron Cottesloe. It was traditionally the focal point of life in the village where the Cottesloes own 1,300 acres of prime farmland as well as the pub, post office, a private school and many of the houses.

Until 2001 the mansion was home to Mrs Duncan Smith's father, Commander John Tapling Fremantle, 87, the fifth Baron Cottesloe.

The Baron and his wife then moved to another of their homes in the village and the Duncan Smiths moved in with their children Edward, Alicia, Harry and Rosanna.

The Baron retained ownership of the house until 2005, when it was signed over to be owned jointly by Mrs Duncan Smith's brother Thomas, her cousin Richard Brooks and Paul Knocker, a millionaire friend of the Baron.

Mrs Duncan Smith's brother is listed on the electoral roll as living at the house, but is understood to spend most of his time at a property 50 miles away in Hampstead, north London.

Mr Brooks lives in a stately home in Wistow, Leicestershire, and Conservative activist Mr Knocker, 74, lives in a £650,000 country home near Salisbury, Wilts.

According to land registry records, the three men "paid" £1million for the Duncan Smiths' house in 2005, but it is unclear how the money changed hands.

Mrs Duncan Smith is the Baron's eldest child and could stand to inherit the lion's share of the family wealth.

She is already a major shareholder in the family property firm Thomas Tapling & Co, which has investment assets worth £1.1million and owns farms, shops and businesses across England worth £4.5million.

A local said of Mr Duncan Smith, son of an Army officer: "He married himself into one of the most distinguished and wealthy aristocratic families in the UK."

Mr Duncan Smith met Betsy when she was working in Harrods after leaving her expensive boarding school.

They lived in a townhouse in Fulham, south-west London, but sold it for £721,000 in 2002 after moving into the huge ancestral house in Swanbourne.

Mr Duncan Smith commutes between Westminster, Swanbourne and his constituency of Chingford
and Woodford Green on the wealthier fringes of east London, where he rents a flat in a converted house.
Housing cuts IDS gets his mansion free - Mirror Online

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I've got nothing against anyone getting rich by luck or hard work but the likes of Ian Duncan Smith and others get my back up... this bloke talks about the low paid who claim tax credits as living on wellfare and should not get this wellfare if they have more than two children ..how about taking away the right of him and many other MP's to claim tens of thousands a year for flats/hotels, tavel, fuel, gas and electric all at the taxpayers expense which are all seen as a necessity to do the job but in my book are benefits... yet any low paid families getting tax credits or other benefits are classed as scroungers!.

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Thats always been the case Mancie, nowt changes, only difference now is the plebs find out a damn site more.;)

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I see that IDS is also calling for cuts in disabled 'benefits'...maybe if he was in a low paid job or had his expenses stopped for having more than two kids he'd have a different outlook.:rolleyes:

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the tories are taking this country back to the dark ages they are even letting the private equity firms to take the **** BBC News - London Midland driver shortage cancels 133 more trains wot no trains maggie thatchers ideology really worked.plus edf raising their tariffs 10 % watch the rest follow.we need a revolution in this country.how many people will freeze to death this winter because of the tories.they really are the enemy from within with their fiddling of unemployment figures ie not counting the 157,000 people on their slave labour programme,sanctions and 4 hours a week jobs it really is beyond a joke.

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and this is the real reason for overseas aid Budget cuts could downgrade UK rights watchdog's UN status | Society | The Guardian

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and the way to lose money is to bail out the hedge funds BBC News - Hinchingbrooke losses double Circle Health estimate

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Good for him - I also live in a house for free - that's what happens when the mortgage is paid up ;)

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Yeh Lucy but the point is - he didn't pay a mortgage on it, nor did his wife - apparently it's a property that comes with his wifes title.:rolleyes:

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The Tories couldn't give Atos...:rolleyes::D

Wake Up People, Atos Are Scum - YouTube

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Here is Denis MacShane the mp who just got caught



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CORRUPT TO THE CORE :rolleyes:

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looks like the end of william hague;) hopefully ian duncan smith as well;)the rumours about hague will blow you away, if he escapes this the tories are more than finished

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This government are killing thier own people... and this is the tip of the iceberg

Atos killed my dad, says boy 13 - Daily Record

I don't blame Atos.. they are just another private company who carry out this governments orders.
This issue is getting dangerous..when it comes to the point were people are dying as a result of this dog government's attack on the vunerable people in our country.

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It will come as a surprise to some but I don't envy them. By an accident of birth they live their lives and I live out the remainder of my working class life in a 200 year old end terrace cottage, which (in my circumstances) costs a fortune to maintain, but I don't envy their position at all.

If there is blame to apportion, I apportion it to the State in general for the downward slide in our fortunes and the uneven playing field we now find ourselves. As well as there are far too many free loaders being drawn to live in this country there are others who have been inculcated into thinking that the State owes them a living and we have to stamp it out. There are also others who are trapped in lives they'd rather not be living in. If you watched the TV documentary series you will know that IDS and representatives of other political parties actually lived in the homes of extremely hard up families who received various benefits. All found that their hosts had little idea that other help was available (hence the amendment of application documentation) and all came to realise that many who wanted to re-educate or work were hindered by the then current regulations.

We can't lump all people together and now every Benefits authority has to pull up their socks and stop ignoring tenants who sublet state housing. It's a disgrace that it take years (for example) to discover French nationals coming over here to collect many types of benefits, who after collection then travels back to France to live a life of luxury in homes they own!

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so according to david cameron every gay is a paedophile ,deflect deflect your cover up doesnt work you moron cameron well done philip schofield.

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One story that the semi-literate Jock won't be telling you about:

Margaret Hodge's family company pays just 0.01pc tax on £2.1bn of business generated in the UK - Telegraph

Hypocrisy pure and simple. :rolleyes: