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Yes, it's a shame the guy has died, yes it's a shame the nhs outsourced to a company without enough training, is that really the Tories fault?
It could just as easily have happened with any party, surely it's more the fault of the trust that used them?

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and when he can think of things to say they are so garbled they might just as well be in another language....they are in another language...gibberish!

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They are Margaret, think it must be Scottish myself but not sure:rolleyes:

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Quite right Less, maybe if those that employed them had taken a cut in their own telephone number salaries they might have been able to afford trained staff, but its a case of we'll cut everything but our own perks and salaries

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The fault then lies with G4S, as it was their employees who weren't sufficiently trained. Personally I think G4s have shown themselves to be inept & lacking on various occasions so surely those requiring outsourced resources would be better looking elsewhere.

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;)Ya Dave G4S don't seem to fill anybody with confidence and optimism with anything they try to screw up :rolleyes: with is virtually everything;)

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No its NOT G4S, its the Tories.................Cmon says.:D

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Whomsoever that is to blame it's a disgrace, I seem to remember a little history so far as the Ambulance service is concerned.
At the start they were basically just drivers, but because they could see lives were being lost because of simple first aid they asked for and were given training so they could give help at the scene.
This developed into the dedicated crews of Ambulancemen and later Paramedics that could assist and dispense at the scene.
To replace these dedicated people with just drivers (no matter how these folk might care about the people they transport) is a backward step in our so called caring society.

:o

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its the tories future of the nhs :( you's are the dumb ones,i just dont get it,when it could have happened to any of you just because the tories want to save money to give millionaires a hundred thousand pound tax cut.but maybe i do believe it as the board is full of political light weights:p:D

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No Cmon you are stupid, blame the tory scum when its their fault, not when its someone else.:rolleyes:

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And there you have it guys, it's official..

BBC News - Theresa May: Tories to consider leaving European Convention on Human Rights

Vote Tory next time and they will 'consider' opting out of the Human Rights fiasco. Add to the fact that they will also 'consider' having a yes/no vote on membership of the EU providing they can agree how the yes/no question is worded..what free thinking enlightened member of Joe Public could possibly fail to vote for them next time....

*sigh* how little this government values the intelligence of the electorate...

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Totally agree Guinness, well there is one vote here they won't be getting (if I'm still around to cast it)either Cameron makes concrete promises about Europe, or jaysay is voting UKIP

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I wouldn't vote for him even if he did make a "concrete promise". Last time he promised a referendum it was "cast iron" and look what happened to that!

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It's a well known fact "cast iron" is really brittle & shatters without any effort whatsoever.

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But as Churchill said: "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

I know he was a tory, but he had the best idea of how to go into Europe. He called it D-Day;)

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Ted Teeth did it with a pen, but it wasn't anything like Europe as we know it today, we had a referendum in the 70s asking if we wanted to stay in the common market, as it was called then, I'm sure if people had have known what Europe would become back then there wouldn't have been a cat in hells chance of a yes vote:(

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Common Market wasn't a bad idea ... like NAFTA, it was economically inevitable. But this giving up of sovreignty? I don't go along with that. We are America's largest trading partner, their major supplier of oil and uranium. But, we are still Canada. We pursue an independent foreign policy: We recognize Cuba, and we didn't participate in Iraq. Someone ... I don't know who ... once said that Canadians are unarmed Americans with universal health care:D But it's more than that. Giving up national identity is the one thing any country should avoid. What surprises me is that the tories are not more eurosceptic than they are. If I were Cameron, I would risk holding a binding, simply worded referendum in the very near future. Such a ballsey move might get him a majority in the next general election. What the hell, he's got nothing to lose ... and everything to gain.

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I was stationed in the Outer Hebrides when that referendum was held - the Western Isles voted NO - probably because of the quite large number of Army and R.A.F. personnel stationed there who had experienced life in Germany and who just didn't have much faith in the vision of a united democratic Europe - Germany & France had never been big on democratic rule.

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Think you've hit the nail on the head there Eric, the Brownie points he'd gain are endless, the only person who wouldn't be happy is Mr. Ed:D

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so the tories want to raise revenue,so what do they do yes they axe the tax man.BBC News - Tax: HMRC to close all of its 281 Enquiry Centres

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Thats what i call really taking the pish.:( as anyone who has ever tried ringing em will no doubt verify.

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Seems like sense to me getting shut of something that isn't fit for purpose, and this certainly wasn't fit for purpose

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Will you still be agreeing with everything they do when they start loading cattle trucks with the sick and the unemployed to re-locate them?

Perhaps that's what they need all the two bed-roomed houses for? They would be able to fit about 15 families into each room when the time comes!!!!!

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Have you ever tried ring HM Customs and Revenue, its a flaming nightmare as my other half found out, if it ain't working why keep it, only common sense really

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It's nice to know they're looking to find all 1300 staff alternate jobs. So- inconvenience the public, no problem. Get rid of 1300 staff- no way.
How nice to know they have 1300 vacancies.
The savings from closing offices/branches has always been mainly from staff savings. Not if you're in the civil service, the savings are from saying 'to hell' with the customers who pay your wages.

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dont believe their lies.the tory propoganda machine is well and truly oiled.this country is going to end up like greece nobody collecting tax.:confused:

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What are blathering on about again.......just because they close face to face enquiry centres doesn't mean that the taxes won't be collected....it just means that if you have a problem, you will not be able to go and see someone about it...you will have to either telephone them or use e-mail to contact them.
HMRC are a law unto themselves.......they do not see the tax paying public as their employers....but as their victims.........they always have done, whoever was in power.

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Hes completely flipped this time Margaret.:rolleyes:

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Why don't to stop flogging a dead horse, you make yourself look like a clown every time you come on the only thread you post on Bye Bye

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And that's irrespective of who's in power at Westminster Margaret, HMR&C don't take any prisoners and are a law unto themselves

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"HMRC are a law unto themselves.......they do not see the tax paying public as their employers....but as their victims.........they always have done, whoever was in power."

"HMR&C don't take any prisoners and are a law unto themselves."

I worked in (& for) the Inland Revenue for 26 years. All we ever tried to do was to apply the legislation fairly & without discrimination. If the result is that people have to pay over money - which is what REALLY puts their backs up - then so be it. I regard the above comments as an insult.

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My Daughter worked for the IR&C for years, I speak to her again now:D

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Sorry dave, yer defending the indefensible, I have had a relative n a few friends worked fer I.R. (now retired) n they were always very helpful. only 16 months ago i got a bill from em, fer tax i hadn't paid on me company pension.:confused: fer a few years, I was completely unaware of this, as i get a letter every year,telling me my code number etc, So like most people i trust what they tell me is correct, How is a layman supposed to know different?:confused: They told me it is "MY RESPONSIBILITY" to know if me code number is wrong,:mad: So to cut a long story short,i am now paying back a few "K" i knew sod all about, so i think they are completely useless, if yeh wanna feel insulted, be my guest.:mad:

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I am sorry you feel insulted, but this a personal opinion based on my own and family members experiences.
It isn't about having to pay the money...that is a fact of life(and anyone who knows me will tell you that I am keen to pay my own way in life), but it is about when they (HMRC) get the calculations wrong, but somehow it is our fault........and I'm talking PAYE here...not self assessment or self employment. If you give HMRC the facts and they then get their calculations wrong........how is it my fault.
And the demands for the money were intimidating.

These are not respectful actions of an organisation which is employed by me as a tax payer.
My comments were not intended to be insulting, just factual.

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when you owe the tax man money he wants it right now.When they owe you money they give it you back in dribs and drabbs over the tax year by altering your tax code so you get a few quid each week back

if however you owe the tax man millions he takes you for lunch and begs you to pay money you owe even when he knows you have billions in teh bank

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the thing is, its getting privatised by stealth;)

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why do my taxes have to pay for someone elses mortgage. we are up the creek what does osborne do yep give the banks another 140 billion pounds and promises to under write defaults.he has totally lost the plot.

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Sadly you have never had the plot, give up while your losing;)

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What is being privatised by stealth?

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so we had a credit crunch ? yes so why are the tories creating 95% mortgages which were the creation of the credit crunch ie northern rock etc so not only 95% mortgages even if they fail the goverment are going pay to write them off with 195 billion pound so its a win win for the banks who created the mess .not the last labour goverment who were creating growth yes jaysay growth which is alien to the tories .you cant argue with the truth.he is desperate for triple aaa but its never going to happen as the imf think he is inept. growth down unemployment up he is a downgraded chancellor:mosher:

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You didn't answer the question.
What is being privatised by stealth?

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I always say- was the question too difficult.:D;)

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hmrc HMRC to outsource sensitive tax work to India? - Public Sector IT and before you say it is to save money other projects have been found to cost more Ministers missed key evidence of fraud in welfare-to-work scheme - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

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i know ive cut and pasted this but this is the tories end game to exploit and destroy workers rights. youve got to read it to believe it:eek::eek:
The House of Lords has blocked a move to allow employees to give up some employment rights in return for shares in the company they work for.

Peers from all sides strongly criticised the idea put forward by Chancellor George Osborne at last year's Conservative conference.

Former Tory cabinet minister Lord Forsyth labelled the scheme "ill-thought through, confused and muddled"

The plan was defeated by 232 votes to 178 - a majority of 54.

To cut red tape and help businesses, ministers want to introduce a new owner-employee contract, which allows owners to award shares worth between £2,000 and £50,000 to their staff.

In return, the employee would give up certain rights, including unfair dismissal, redundancy, training rights and also the right to ask for flexible working.

'30 pieces of silver'
But peers attacked the plans, with former cabinet secretary Lord O'Donnell describing them as "very harmful to growth".

"In the old days the price of slavery was 20 or 30 pieces of silver - is it now £2,000?" he asked.

Lord Pannick, an independent crossbencher who led moves to throw out the new contract, told peers: "Employment rights were created and have been protected by all governments - Conservative and Labour - precisely because of the inequality of bargaining power between employer and employee.

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"To allow these basic employment rights to become a commodity that can be traded by agreement frustrates the very purposes of these entitlements as essential protection of the employee who lacks effective bargaining power."

Lord King, a former defence secretary and one of 10 Conservative peers to rebel against the plans, said: "I'm a strong supporter of this government.

"I hate standing up here to criticise something, but I have a greater duty to this government to prevent them going down a track that I think would lead to really unhappy consequences."

Tory Baroness Wheatcroft, a former editor and business journalist, said she feared the plan would "bring out the worst in business and not the best".

Other Tory rebels included former Chancellor Lord Lawson, former cabinet minister Lord Deben and former chief whip in the Lords Lord Denham.

Labour's Lord Adonis said removing the clause would be an "act of mercy" to the government.

'Humiliating defeat'
"The idea that depriving employees of these basic rights is somehow going to boost growth is not supported by a single employer I have met, let alone [an] employee," he said.

Defending the plans, business minister Viscount Younger of Leckie said: "This government wants a labour market that works for employees, employers and individuals.

"We want to give individuals more chances to share in the growth agenda and to own shares in their employer."

He said the scheme was a "new way of attracting high calibre talent to growing companies" although it "may not suit everyone".

Commenting on the defeat TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said: "This humiliating defeat reflects the near universal thumbs-down it has received from business and unions.

"The margin of defeat - a big victory for union campaigning - suggests that ministers should quietly abandon this policy."

It will now be up to MPs to decide whether to reinstate the plans when the Growth and Infrastructure Bill returns to the Commons.

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a little knowledge is very dangerous, in your case what you know would fill a book, a very thin book, what you don't know would fill the Bodleian. I find it very amusing somebody calling Osborne inept who can't even spell Government:rolleyes:

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You sound like the Bilko lookalike (Robinson of the BBC) Time he went back to the motor pool and took you and that little fat guy on the labour front bench with you. Do you nod your head or punch the air when you find something to cut and paste? :dummy2:

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ye ye ye;):jimbo::jimbo:

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you havent got a clue:confused: just wait till universal credit comes in.

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Surely it would be a replacement for the Beano or Dandy:rolleyes:

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far to highbrow for C'mon are those Barrie

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Why do you already know what you'll be getting;) I do

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cheers:D

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Cat got your tongue:rolleyes:

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I'm really surprised at C'mon that he hasn't mentioned the Government increasing its payments to the conversion of the Olympic Stadium by £25 million, so West Ham can move in, taking their commitment to £60 million. To me this is totally wrong, if West Ham want to use this stadium as a commercial enterprise, then why should the tax payer fund it, its a total nonsense:(

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Hopefully,north of the border it's finally clicked.
'If thas nowt to say, keep thee gob shut' ?:tongueout

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A sentiment that could be readily applied quite liberally across these pages to any number of folk. :)

Mind, it'd make for a duller forum for a' that.

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Ya the place would dull without you Dave:rolleyes::D

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One tries ones best, for merriment, levity, sensibility & diversity in discourse. :)

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Was that from St Franis of Assisi ;):D

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Probably from Shrek:D

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Well, it might just be amongst the Directors cuts that don't make it onto the DVD!
:D

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Now Lads credit me with some of my own imagination, I have been known on occasion to be wordy-wise & passably facund. :)

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that's a different way to disguise a four letter word Dave:D

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Surprised cmon hasn't mentioned this: BBC News - Bristow Group to take over UK search and rescue from RAF
How often will the RAF be called to pull them out of the mire?

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They will be recruiting the RAF pilots let go in the defence cuts so it's not all bad ;)

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"passably facund".... is that free and easy with your vowels DinG? ;)

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Well Cmon want mention it because the same company do the job for numerous countries around the world, including Cmons favorite Russia:D

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Give him a chance, he's probably champing at the bit right now waiting to get on-line. :) (actually I think he may have had a go on this topic a while back.)

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parts of arran is currently relying on these helicopters,how much will this company charge for the use of their helicopters if this weather happens again:confused: it will cost more in the long run. so much for saving taxpayers money.it just proves its ideology not saving money. they do have a history of ditching in the north sea;) as well.

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Sadly it looks like your argument doesn't stand up, as usual, this company provide this service for numerous countries across the world, including Western Australia Centra and South America, Far East, Mexico and even good old Russia, if its good enough for the commies it sure as hell should be good enough for a bigoted joke.:)

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Helicopters per se have a history of ditching, they are dependent on which set of statistics you consult about twice as likely to crash as fixed wing aircraft.

From the Stornoway Herald:


Bristow Helicopters Ltd has a long history of providing SAR services in the UK, dating back to 1971, when Whirlwind helicopters were replaced by Bristow S55 helicopters at RAF Manston, in Kent, and continuing with the operation of S61 helicopters working at four SAR bases, Stornoway, Sumburgh, Lee-on-Solent and Portland, until 2007. In 2012 the company was awarded the UK Gap SAR contract for Northern Scotland and, working in partnership with the MCA, will operate four SAR helicopters from Sumburgh and Stornoway, starting this summer.
In total Bristow Helicopters Ltd has flown more than 44,000 SAR operational hours in the UK and conducted over 15,000 SAR missions, during which more than 7,000 people have been rescued by the company’s crews and helicopters.
The company has led the industry in introducing new aircraft types and technology to the civil market and SAR equipment* it has developed has become the industry standard, resulting in Bristow Helicopters Ltd being recognised with the Queen’s Award for Innovation for its technical developments.

*The article below shows me that Bristow have the agility to adjust to the challenges this new contract throws at em'
Evening Express - Article - Bristow buys 10 new helicopters after ditching

And let's not forget that the Sea King is/was a Sikorsky variant made under licence from the Home of the Brave Land of the Free

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And there he is ! ;)

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He has no idea of the costs of training flight crew and maintenance crew, but would be very useful for checking fluid levels. There are more Bristow's operational bases than there are military (RAF & Navy), helicopter bases in the UK.

I do have a concern that Bristow's air and ground crews are recruited from military retirees - in the main, yes the services will still train helicopter air & ground crews but they would have to transition from Apaches & Cobras to be qualified on S & R helicopters.:rolleyes:

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Barrie he has no idea about anything really, unless he see's it in the Guardian :rolleyes:

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Why do they have to re-train?
According to him they will all ditch in the North Sea, may as well let it happen without the added expense of retraining surely?
:D

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I've a better idea lets ditch him in the North Sea the further north the better;)

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Some pilots would have to convert from Apaches and Cobras, (Chinook, Merlin and Pumas too) but don't forget there is a pool of RAF S&R pilots flying Sea Kings.
They all have progressed up the ladder some from fixed wing Tucanos even.
Hell some are now flying Reapers out of Creech AFB in Nevada.
They are all well attuned to conversions from one bird to another.

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but they will be putting lifes at risk as they decide not to send helicopters out when they run out of profit. the eastern railway line its been nationalised and gave taxpayers £640 million back plus £40 million on new trains.privatised railways at least minus £50 million and proves its just ideology.

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Further proof that a dipstick is only usefull for measuring fluid levels:rolleyes:

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What are you trying to say?
That eastern Rail should take over and send trains out on search and rescue?
:confused:

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You really are a useless piece of work, think its about time C'mon rode off into the sunset, his mouthwash ain't making it

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What's going to happen they get to September and say "right if we send the helicopter out one more time this year we'll have lost money everyone go home" If you had a brain you'd be dangerous.

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C'mon actually has a valid point here..

There's a current thread where everyone is clicking like to people bemoaning local doctors...yet the NHS is being slowly, sneakily and systematically destroyed..nobody blames politicians..they blame receptionists that doctors have had to employ to filter out those least in need so that they can spend their time on those that are really in need because of cuts..cuts..cuts.....unfortunately nobody can afford to give those receptionists the training needed to make those judgements because of funding cuts..cuts..cuts...they blame nurses who have to do stupid training courses that filter out people who actually want to care for others and encourage the bean counters and status seekers.

Because of tory led privatisation..our railways are owned by French, German, Dutch, Danish, Norwegian, Uncle Tom Cobbly and all investors, who have no interest in making trains run on time, comfortable, fast, clean, safe or economical to its customers..they have a captive audience and therefore a licence to print money regardless of quality.

So who is to say that 20 years from now the US owned Bristow company will refuse to send out its brand spanking new state of the art helo on an SAR unless it recieves adequate remuneration from HMG in Westminster, whereas now an ageing westie can slowly plod its way to the rescue zone and costs can be written off against training.

It's just another example of the cuts..cuts..cuts mentality of this government, just because C'mon can't string a coherent argument together, it shouldn't mean he is always wrong

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Presumably by "westie" you refer to Westland helicopters - Whirlwind or Wessex?
I suggest that you check your facts, there does not appear to be any Westland helicopters operated by Bristow's.
They are the largest helicopter operating company in the world and in fact provide training to UK Military Helicopter operations at both RAF Shawbury and RAF Valley, suggest you read a little more.

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I was reading a little about this ... just for the halibut ... and it seems Canada's SAR is undertaken by the Canadian Coast Guard, the RCAF, and various large police forces ... I happened to notice that the decision to privatize SAR in the land of Uk was initially made in 2006 ... seems to me that that was one of those 13 years etc. etc. etc. ....;)

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And I suggest you read my post again..didn't suggest that Bristow used Westlands', was referring to RAF SAR ,and even if I'm wrong on the type of helo that the RAF use for SAR, (because I'm no expert,) it was just meant to highlight that the RAF are capable and cheaper...

Not arguing that Bristow provide training..I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that..my argument is as posted before..

'So who is to say that 20 years from now the US owned Bristow company will refuse to send out its brand spanking new state of the art helo on an SAR unless it recieves adequate remuneration from HMG in Westminster, whereas now an ageing westie can slowly plod its way to the rescue zone and costs can be written off against training.'

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The NHS has always been a political football(and we all know that the politicians make mileage out of this)......and if doctors were to concentrate on treating those who are already sick instead of sucking up to pHARMa companies who want patients on various surveillance progams..(under the guise of illness prevention) then perhaps those who need treatment would be able to get an appointment.

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Nail, hammer, head..if people only knew how doctors have to waste their time going out to care homes for pointless annual checks to earn £80+ per person just to tick boxes and earn a few quid for their practices so that they can treat genuine illnesses and keep practice managers in jobs.... or how much time they waste fighting knock backs by hospital managers, 9-5 consultants and other associated pen pushers just to get someone seen by a specialist.... or dealing with screw ups made by hospitals who discharge people too early either without medication, with incorrect medication or without checking the circumstances of the discharged person..and keep within their government restricted timeframes and budget...funny how before (any politically coloured) government got involved, people used to be able to go to their doctors wait an hour, get seen and dealt with accordingly.

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times must be hard if they are hiring an ex dart player with a shakey hand to recue folk :eek:

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If the previous government hadn't been on a spend, spend, spend, trip then there wouldn't need to be a cut cut cut policy now, no matter were you are, be it in your own home, running a business or running a country, if you don't manage the finances correctly its a recipe for disaster. If a home owner doesn't pay his dues he loses his home, if a company run out of money they go bankrupt, but the only thing that happens to reckless government is they lose office and walk away with a golden hand shake, ask Gordon and Tony. The last government had no qualms about landing this country in so much debt it was financially paralised, what was the note left by the out going treasury minister "there's no money left we've spent it all, is that responsible government. Labour didn't give a monkeys about how much it spent or were the money came from because they knew all to well they wouldn't be the ones to sort it out, again, because they have got previous as far as reckless government is concerned, every Labour government in history has ended the same way deep in debt, devoid of money and credibility

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but the tories are wasting more money than labour ever did. at least with labour you got modernised hospitals. Theres a propaganda machine in full swing here you can whistle blow in the nhs but you cant speak out about other departments,like the uk border agency.sack half the work force then blame the poor sods who were left behind and say not fit for purpose.everybody with a bit of a brain knows what they were up to.they will split it up and put it for tender to firms like g4s. who will have a conflict of interest,the tories not fit for purpose not fit for goverment. before anybody says its to save money how come the nationalised eastern railway line has given the taxpayer 670 million pounds in the last financial year and bought £40 million worth of rolling stock.

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every day gordon brown is getting credit by stopping us joining the euro,saving the banks thus stopping them robbing people cyprus style you say he sold the gold but he more than saved the money he lost by using the money propping up the economy during the crash and saving money interest.where do you think the money went.the tories are borrowing more than labour ever did. wheres the money going:confused::confused: you cant keep blaming labour the facts are there so many people are politically an economic inept by taking in all the propaganda on the mainstream news.

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Still flogging a dead horse

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nope jaysay the truth is unraveling day by day.remember 100,000 pound tax cut for millionaires comes in on monday.

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Your trouble is you suffer from that evil sin of Envy, have you ever stopped to think that without financial investment in the private sector there would be very few jobs, for get the state run communist way of life even the ruskies know that that didn't work, only by people investing money in business will this country flourish, you have a hatred for anything or anybody with financial clout, always remembering that the one eyed man is king in the land of the blind:rolleyes: and your wandering around with nowhere to go;)

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I have been trying to cut this to make just the bit I want to comment on stand out...but C'mon....I have given up with that.

Gordon Brown did stop us getting into the single currency(for which, we must all be grateful for) but where did you get the figures to corroborate your next thought....which is, that he 'more than saved us the money he lost by selling our gold reserves off cheaply'.
That, you must have dreamed up.

The last government was economically inept...which meant whoever won the next election would have been in dire straits. I just wonder what policies a Labour government would have put into place to try and get us out of the fiscal Fisons that we are in....because from the tripe that Ed Balls has been spouting, I have to conclude, we would be further down the ship(well, it rhymes with ship)canal than you think we are right now.

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Well at least he has the right name Margaret, because he talks a load of um every time he opens his gob, he's a bigger waffler than Fanny Cradock, and that's saying somat, you really do have to wonder what this country would be like if the two Eds were in charge, doubt if two Eds would be better than one that's for sure

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you just cant see past the bbc and sky news facts and figures prove he did save money in the long run.the propganda goes on heres the met office thats going to get privatised next BBC News - Met Office three-month forecast was 'not helpful'

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You still have not corroborated your statement with reliable facts.
And personally....I don't care if the Met Office is privatised.

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Well at least were partially sighted, yer sodding Blind.:rolleyes: