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happy fracking pop pickers Lord Howell: I meant frack the North West, not the North East - Telegraph

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Frack off

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ha ha the countries in a mess. what do the tories come out with. yes you can rent out your drive to make extra money:D:D:D:D

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So what's your problem? You're whining on about them giving their mates the chance to make money via privatisation, yet when the chance is extended to the peasantry to join in this capitalist boom, you gripe about that! There's just no pleasing some people. :D

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Any money made from renting drive space will need to be declared on an income tax return - another way to claw in tax revenue.

It is not all that long ago that paving over front gardens was condemned as being a factor in flooding incidents, but with a potential for tax gain, that is ignored.

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I cant believe the news channels run this as a story, seems they are putting anything on to gloss over the fracking protests in Sussex. reminds me of the miners strike.

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well well well if things don't go their way :eek: Clause 99, Catch 22 ? The ESA Mandatory Second Revision and Appeals | kittysjones lets hope common sense prevails

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I agree with this in principal but earning £300,000 a year and still getting the voucher is a bit much lol Families with two working parents will be offered Government help with childcare - Telegraph

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Here is How the UK Govt Hid 1 million Jobless From Official Unemployment Figures | Scriptonite Daily the real unemployment figures;)

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ya its been going on for over ten years now knobhead:p

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firing on all cylinders tonight jaysay:D

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Absolute utter tosh - the article is obviously aimed at the young and gullible.
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Those of us who are old enough to know the original meaning of the word 'gay' will know that phrases and words do not now reflect their original terminology.

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I wasn't going to read the link, but after your comment I did.
I could find no reference to 'gay' or homosexual, so why do you mention it?:confused:
In fact, in my experience of 35 years in the civil service social security dept (includes Thatcher era), I know most of what was said to be true.

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(1) The blog intimates that today's terminology is the same as that of bygone decades - this is not always the case. I mentioned the word gay because it was common when and where I grew up to have a gay time - they gaily played, etc., etc., etc. To the average person in the street it now has other common usage. There wasn't much point in my using a word which isn't in current use and/or the meaning hasn't changed.
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(2) I didn't have any thoughts about social security/benefits when I read the link. My sole thought was that times change. For instance it was once the norm for couples to marry and the wife to stay at home - there were no labour saving gadgets such as automatic washing machines, they used the dolly tub and posser, the carpet beater, etc., etc. Before anyone protests I would point out that even in the 1970s some houses had internal gas lamps and outdoor dry soil lavatories which were emptied daily. Governments of the day wouldn't pidgeon hole those women into "unemployed". This is one reason why I thought the blog was tosh.

(3) In my 50 years of work in the engineering industry I can recognise the difference between what is termed as an "apprenticeship" in this current clime and what was once a STANDARD 5 to 7 year trade apprenticeship accompanied by college day release.

(4) As for the selling off of council houses - hands on heart how many councils fully maintained their housing stock? In fact, after I'd seen a TV programme this week I think some councils should hang their heads in shame at the standards of the dwellings under their ultimate control. Back in the 1980s I knew of 3-bedroomed council house estates which only had ONE single wall socket in the house (which was situated in the living room -darned dangerous) and if the council couldn't do a job properly, then it was proper to sell the houses privately to people who were willing to maintain them.

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Absolutely spot on couldn't agree more

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I must be a secret tory:D I believe we should create the climate for people to buy their house ,to take pride in their country not be run down by a bunch of spivs. we need social cohesion so the masses can work and be proud. something to get up to think the government has done its best for the population and not just the chosen few so the workforce will be innovative. build up the towns to proud of have work in the shires . anyway same old tories eroding the standard of living for the masses ;) BBC News - UK wages decline among worst in Europe

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well, we all know where the allegiance of the BBC lies don't we???

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Maybe I should just have put 'the BBC lies'!

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gay dont really mean happy these days and hasnt for a while unless of course that man wentto prison for claiming a police horse was happy when he was sent to prison for calling a police horse gay

that judge by the way should have been dragged into the street and shot on the grounds of improving the legal system and to set an example to other moronic judges

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with pedophiles and polititions of which polititions only come off slightly better but only by a whisper

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Oh i wouldn't say that, But yeh sure do em more good than thatcher ever did.:rolleyes: n yer too dense to see it.

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Maybe you could have mentioned "the Sunday joint" instead ... altho' I tend to indulge on a daily basis:D '... It's safer than mentioning "gay", or, come to think of it, the name of Guy Gibson's dog.:eek:

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His name was Ni', I'll try again, his name was Ni', nope my PC keyboard won't let me spell the Ni' word, strange I always though PC meant personal computer, not politically correct!

How come a group of black men can use the Ni' (PC again), word but it's offensive if a white man uses it? Perhaps some fellow honky can tell me.

:confused:

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Maybe a group of black men know there place:rolleyes:

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Careful who you're calling "Honky" White trash! :eek:

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I haven't had a Sunday joint for years but your post reminded me that my mother smoked "tailor made" cigarettes and my dad used to buy an ounce of Golden Virginia tobacco and red Rizla papers with which to roll his own cigarettes. The common terminolgy for the latter was smoking a joint and I see from the online dictionary that "joint" is now Slang for A marijuana cigarette. :confused:

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I think perhaps you've just moved things in a way you want them moved?

i.e. you want a joint to mean that, whereas I want a hand rolled ciggy to be called a fag, though no doubt you would rather I hand rolled a homosexual?

Oh, how gay!
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P.S. for some reason, the more PC a person is, the lower their tolerance of humour.

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more proof of the fake recovery, Unemployment: Nearly half of new jobs created since last election are temporary - Mirror Online

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lol at the image :-)

I grew up in a different area and in a different era, I'm also of the fair sex, and I'm not used to hearing people wanting to smoke a fag - so bang goes your "I think theory....." We all know what thought did .... followed a dust cart and thought it was a wedding .... (that should illustrate that I'm from a different era) :)

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I'm just glad I don't have to go to an online dictionary to find out what a joint is ... ;)

And me too ... PC folks have no sense of humor ... they're a lot like like the Taliban.

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Have to say i thought they were in the Taliban.;)

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What part of this reminds you of the miners strike? What miners strike are your referring to?. and what the hell do you know about mining or fracking or does the whole of your existence revolve around cut and paste.

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I suspect that using phrases that are generally heard in primary school playgrounds such as:-
Is a sure sign that you still have a great deal of growing up yet to do.

No wonder you can't tell right from PC.
;)

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lol - You've quoted another name change - I went to infant school, then junior school back in the 1940s before going on to senior school.

Enjoy your day.

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I always do and never miss the chance of calling a spade a Ni'
:D

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I just did infant school in the 40s ... best school year of my life ... :D

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the police being used as political footballs, anything that creates earthquakes and affects the water supply sounds a bit dangerous to me;) cut and paste no im into polls now;):dummy2::D

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Which just goes to show yeh know sod all about the Miners Strike apart from the junk yeh read.:rolleyes: Many of em lapped up many 12 hr shifts, and used Miners n the womenfolk as proper footballs.

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Seems like this thread has wandered a bit but because of your ignorance to the facts, I have to assist you with your thinking. The police were not used as political footballs. They revelled in the fact that they were getting thousands of pounds per week and some of them even flashed their pay packets to some protesting miners and used the slogan. "Loadsamoney" into the faces of the miners and their families. Fracking was deemed safe in 2012 by a British geological survey and at Keele university and could be used nation wide. If a survey was done to explore the fact that a coal,Tin or gold mine was safe. You would except it as safe. So what's the difference. What do you know about drilling, Strata, Strata control, methane, methane drainage, water displacement or strata convergence. I love talking to ignorant people like you who just see some crap in a newspaper and then you think you can make some smart comment about things that you haven't even done any homework on or you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

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One for Jay. :hidewall::hidewall::hidewall:

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Its over 2 weeks since you posted the above Mog and I've notice our friend from the North has confirmed his total ignorance by refraining to comment on what you've said, seems he couldn't even find an answer in the Guardian;)

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yes , all the usual judgemental views so your showing your ignorance I lived through the miners strike in the west of Scotland I can tell you some police didn't agree with what they were doing as they had relations down the mines. to do with keele university I would look into who their sponsors and influential backers are;) About: September 2012 trimite who are suppliers to the fracking industry ha ha you need to get your facts right:alright:

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You lived through the miners strike, how many times a day did mummy change your nappy back then:rolleyes:

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I trust we are all aware of the tory "model" for the economy: Let business and industry run it efficiently for profit, growth, and job creation; keep government out of it. By "business" and "industry" we are meant to understand the leaders of business, the CEOs and top brass. But it seems the US experience with top businessmen (the ones who have avoided jail:D) is far from happy. And I have no doubt that the UK experience is similar. They can't seem to be trusted to wipe their own assholes without breaking the law or just plain screwing up. We have to assume by the bye that business leaders are just natural tories or Republicans.

40% of top-paid CEOs busted, bailed out or booted, study says - Business - CBC News

Ok. So, it's only 40%. But how many of the rest just haven't been caught yet, or are just plain mediocre ... as in too dumb and inefficient to come up with a cute illegal plan for maximising their own personal wealth.:rolleyes: And when the bailouts arrive, we all know out of whose pockets the money comes. The poor bloody taxpayer that's who. I reas lots of stuff on here about govt. inefficiency, but the alternative seems worse.

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the problem is Eric, the current lot are not real Tories.
The government are so involved in peoples lives and propping up industries, the true conservative ideology of allowing business to take care of itself is not what we have in 2013.

They supported bailing out the banks, effectively re-nationalising them.
And yet they oppose re-nationalising the utilities or railways.

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Another problem is, that in todays economies there are businesses and industries which fall into the category: "Too big to fail." General Motors comes to mind. Unfortunately for them, there are smaller business which, as a group, give more to the overall economy, and employ more people. These fall into another category: "Too small to bail." Business can't take care of itself, particularly big business, as it is run by crooks and idiots.

Until business realizes, that in a consumer economy, it has a vested interest in a well-paid, well-educated, and contented workforce, the western economies are going to stumble from crisis to crisis. And the developing economies? Look at China, if you can see it through the toxic soup they call air.:rolleyes:

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Some people on here like to have a pop at cmonstanley and even go as far as suggesting he's a slice of bread short of a butty. It looks as if he could have the last laugh.:rolleyes::D

Tory defectors 'could boost Labour' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Tory voters deserting the party for the UK Independence Party could put Ed Miliband in Downing Street, according to polling by former Conservative Party deputy chairman Lord Ashcroft.

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I have a pop at him pretty regular, despite the fact i quite like him, I have told him many times i think hes doing more harm than good to the Labour party, n i honestly think he is.

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tick tock the clocks ticking

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scary stuff Government wrongs, Human Rights and a call for evidence from Raquel Rolnik | kittysjones

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If he does get the last laugh..as you suggest he might, I will await his comments on the performance of his beloved Labour party.
I think it might go very quiet on that score...and anyway if Scotland goes it alone it really won't matter to him anymore...will it?

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Yeah because there is nothing at all wrong with the Human Rights Act (or whatever it's called). Thats why prison is like a holiday camp and why we can't deport people we don't want in our own Country.

I have never supported a political party but I do see myself reading about UKIP more and more, if only as a protest to make the main parties wake up and get us out of Europe

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spot on Neil.
But it isn't necessarily the human rights that are the problem, but in the way they are slavishly interpreted...other countries can deport unwanted criminals, rapists and other criminals...it is the 'bleeding heart' liberal apologists in our midst.

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That's exactly what I did Neil then decided to join the Party, UKIP are the only party promising to get us out of this shambles, where unelected faceless wonders make all the rules.

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but you need police on the beat to do this, so what does the supposed party of law and order do . yes that's right sack them off BBC News - Lancashire Police to cut more jobs to save £73m

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Do we?
Perhaps we need honest citizens then we could cope with fewer police actually doing their job.
Can't see it happening, even if you could be put in charge.

I've noticed you always have the answer, just never for the question you're asked.
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What do you think about your beloved leaders major boo boo regarding his immigration policy? If you haven't read it yet here is a link for you Miliband's immigration policy in chaos as the apprenticeships he promised to 'local' workers will be open to anyone in the EU | Mail Online

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100 to 1 you won't get an answer Neil:rolleyes:

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I didn't expect him to answer, he would have to use his own brain then instead of a journalist's

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Think the one with the long pointed ears talks more sense that the other three put together:rolleyes:

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How dare you attack a dumb animal,

Oh, I see you were supporting Mr. Ed',

used to watch that as a child, far more interesting than the rest of the thread.
:)

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Neigh Less I'm not having that:D

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Just proved me right,

ANYTHING,

Would be better than talking about the Tories, if you'd bothered to look I bet Utube would have vids about Mr. Ed.
:rolleyes:

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Great minds think alike Less, was just about to have a looksee

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He's got nicer teeth

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And you believe what you read in the Mail. speaks volumes.

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John I thought I would remind you the Tories did not win the last election, Is it not true they needed the lapdog liberals to make a coalition government. And just for the record nobody believed Blair or Brown were real labour people. now have a lie down.

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It was on the news last night that Labour are going to sort out energy prices if they win the next election. Does this mean they are going to nationalise gas and electricity? I can't see how else they can tell private companies how much to sell their produce for any other way.

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Seeing Ed Milliband was the Secretary of State for energy... Under Gordon \Brown's last government right at the time that EDF, a French Company, bought our Nuclear Power company, British Power and did nothing at all to try to stop this, I very much doubt he will be able to do anything.

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No chance Neil!
They could never afford to re-nationalize them.
As for price fixing- The Germans and French have laws which prevent foreign companies taking over essential industries-gas, electric, water etc,.
We don't, so of our 10 major power companies 3 are French, 2 German,1 Spanish,1 Russian ,1 Australian.
Just 2 are UK owned-British Gas and Scottish and Southern and the latter will be foreign owned if the Scots go independent.
The German and French governments have major ownership in their power companies so our Eddie will be fighting foreign companies part owned by foreign governments as well as (probably) the EU. Why should they listen to or obey him?
They'll withhold all new investment 'till he backs off, they'll put prices up before the elections so they're on the right side,just for chance he gets in and tries it, so we'll all be worse off immediately.
Also what if he managed it and there was a major conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else even- prices would shoot up. Would he let the suppliers go bust or shut off supplies to the UK or would he give them taxpayers money?
He didn't seem to know when asked that on the Today program.
So just another soundbite for effect.

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Gordon Labour have always talked the talk but never walked the walk, no matter where they raise their ugly mushes, would anybody buy a used car from snake oil salesmen like Millipede and Bowlsup, one look would put anybody off forever ;)

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he says ofgem would be getting the bullet and a more robust organisation with powers would take its place so your barking up the wrong tree lol. if only we could nationalise the utilities it would create substantial revenue, I wouldn't renew the franchises on the railways once they had run out, that would be the way to re-nationalise the railways.. plus I would build all new rolling stock in Britain because we need to start building things in this country not just assembling.

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the panic in the usual tories, the energy companies and sky news who have a conflict in interest as they are financed by the shareholder market is laughable . so the status quo is the answer.

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Haven't you said all this before? Haven't others shot you down in flames?

I've never liked the Tories, but by heck if it was a choice between your type of Labour...

I think I'd vote Tory.
:(

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Taking on the big 5 energy companies is no bad thing, anything that attacks their blatant market manipulation gets my vote. And who can disagree? As Ed says "Britain can do better than this"

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I'm all for a regulatory body with real power- if wholesale prices go up we pay more proportionally, but if they go down we immediately pay less proportionally.
If he does that-fair enough. If the ConDems don't do that during this parliament- shame on them

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Good idea, it is warm to think that the last time Labour were in power they did what they could to stem the damage done by the Tories, things like PFI, Renationalising the energy companies, Rail companies looking after our armed forces and injured servicemen and women, not being drawn into wars by the USA. Oh hang on............

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that's because your politically inept . this isn't the last government this is change in the labour party which I said was happening how can you criticise when you don't know what is happening in the labour party . the tories are trying to force firemen to work till they are 60 before they get a pension but what 60 year old will pass the fitness test . they are more interested in wasting money taking Europe to court protecting the bankers bonuses.

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they can shoot me down in flames but the tories say we need to save money they are doing the opposite by selling the great British institutions down the river proud to be British they say they have a funny way of showing it. shares are going down ha ha keep them going down and the government will be able to buy all the shares up.. remember all the gasworks, yes the private firms shut them all down they are the ones who created the mess we are in as ed says build up the skill base start building thing yes the tories are running scared .bring it on if their energy firms create blackouts they should be done for treason, and be repossessed.

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And how are you going to pay for this without putting up taxes?
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pay for what:confused:

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"This is change in the Labour party". Well, C'mon, the first of your hero's shiny new policies was shot down in flames and, as predicted, you carefully avoided the subject. How much longer before the rest of his policies follow the same fate? :rolleyes:

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it will be up to the employers;) so how could you blame the government, anyway what 17 year old from a member state falls into the criteria of an apprentice;) most will go through jobcentre plus and connexions which work with the schools.

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It won't be "up to the employers", it'll be up the government to make it work, because it's their policy. And with youth unemployment running at record highs in countries like Spain and Greece, there'll be no shortage of ambitious young people ready to compete for these apprenticeships.

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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Well despite being a member since 2006, you did not devote much time critising the then Labour government. You seem to think Ed is bring back the good old days, the socalism, the winter of discontent, the unions holding the country to ransom.....
Seeing you actually think Ed will stick to these policies I would have said it is you who are politically inept.


I am with you regarding the Firefighters.

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A firm run by one of the largest Tory donors is fined £55m for Libor rate fixing scandal.
Osborne heads to Brussels to fight the EU cap on bankers bonuses; taxpayers will pick up the expected £1m tab.

Notice a trend? I'll go with Red Ed for now. ;)

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More than likely but that is what people vote on :(

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We no longer have the infrastructure to build it from raw materials. Our pretend green policies and taxes killed that off years ago.

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I almost want Labour to get back in power just so we can spend 5 years laughing at cmonstanley :D

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You know Neil, i like your style, so is Ed Milliband the new David Moyes?

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He could be

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:eek:

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Why bother even trying to shoot you down when you do quite a good job yourself without any help from others on here. What amuses me is in the wonderful political world of cmonstanley all bosses are Tories and all workers are Labour, which shows just what a total nut job you are, it says something when even dyed in wool Labour supporters give you stick, isn't there a website over the border where you could annoy them with your unpunctuated drivel:confused:

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in your mind only:D:D I want whats best for the future of the country , a united kingdom with decent values for our children to grow up in, I want there to be sustainable jobs so our children can get fair mortgages to buy houses at fair prices and have pride in owning their own homes, the only way we can achieve this is to start making items or give support to people in this country to start businesses not support to foreign multinational hedge fund tax dodging soul destroying corner cutting so called companies. to retake the great british companies that were stolen by the tories and blairites they should be done for treason as they weren't theirs to sell.

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He needs to dump the HS2 and free up £Billions so he can pour money into the infrastructure and housebuilding. That kind of policy will have more of an impact as a vote catcher. He's on the right track (no pun there :D) promising to end the bedroom tax and a higher minimum wage.