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The classic "even a stopped c:rolleyes:lock's correct twice a day" scenario. Let that be a lesson to you, C'mon. An effective point made once in awhile has more impact if it's not lost amongst deluges of drivel. If you had any sense, you'd learn a lesson from that, but sadly... :rolleyes:

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Cashy will tell you....'you can't put sense where there is none'.

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He often does, Margaret!

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well well another prediction comes true. welcome to poverty britain the tories and their mates have it stitched up BBC News - Benefits risk to jobseekers refusing zero-hours contracts

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When you become a Johnny foreigner will you still harp on about politics in the remains of the United Kingdom?

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Shouldn't think so, he'll be having to watch out for the SNP & Wee Eck's juggling of the Jockland economy, all those promises to keep with less dosh, should be interesting. ;)

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i will always be british;) the original Britons came from strathclyde . hence the name Strathclyde Britons. anyway back on topic Fury as Tory party donors are handed NHS contracts worth £1.5BILLION under health reforms - Mirror Online

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MP's can't even be trusted to follow the law as Ed Balls has proven with his several driving offences like using a mobile phone while driving, speeding, running a red light and now hitting a park car and not stopping How Ed Balls hit a car and 'didn't notice': Police probe over 'failure to stop' | Mail Online

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there is an election coming up so watch out for the dirty press making more nonsense stories up;) but the cuts in the nhs are costing lives. anybody who can't notice the nhs improved and was better under labour are in cloud cuckoo land. at least they had an agenda to bring waiting times down . the tories just want to privatize it and when its gone its gone.

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I heard there is to be a vote to start charging for doctors appointments.

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the tories purely mental ideology . creating Apartheid in the uk divide and rule.
Michael Gove is taking £400million from needy children to support his struggling free schools, reports the Sunday People.
The Education Secretary is raiding his Basic Need budget – which is meant to provide extra school places or build new schools – to fill a likely *£800million black hole in spending on free schools by 2016.
A Whitehall source said: “The Tories are putting the needs of their pet projects ahead of the requirements of 24,000 other schools in the country.”
Mr Gove is now at war with his Lib Dem deputy David Laws who *furiously opposes cutting Basic Need from £2.75billion to £2.35billion over three years.
The missing cash could provide 30,000 more school places.
It comes as a Sunday People probe reveals that free schools are failing THREE TIMES more often than normal schools.
Of 45 checked by the schools’ watchdog Ofsted since the start of last year, five have been condemned as “inadequate” and 10 told they need improvement.
Website Watchsted - Home say schools’ failure rate is nearly 11% compared to just three per cent in regular schools.
In the latest damning report inspectors said *lessons at Hawthorne’s Free School, a secondary in Bootle, Merseyside were so bad even teachers spelled words wrongly.
Ofsted also found falling *attendance, low maths scores and that poorer children were doing worse than others.
Two of the failed free schools have closed – Discovery, a primary in Crawley, West Sussex, and Al-Madinah, an Islamic secondary in Derby.
In another blow to Mr Gove, half the new free primaries open this year failed to fill their places despite high *national demand.
It’s a “damning indictment” that of 26 due to open in September, 13 have unfilled places, say Labour.
The Public Accounts Committee also backs Labour’s claim that free schools are opening in the wrong locations.
More than 40 have launched in areas with no place shortage but none are planned in half the areas with high or severe need.
Now one of the free school programme’s sponsors has *blasted the way they are run.
Ronda Fogel, executive *director of the Constable Educational Trust, which stopped sponsoring two free schools *before poor Ofsted reports came out, told the TES education magazone of too little “joined-up thinking” and a lack of good teachers.
In free schools 13% of teachers are untrained compared to 3.8% in the system as a whole.
Free schools were launched by the Tories in 2010 and 170 have been opened by firms, charities, sponsors and parent groups.
They are not run by councils but still get state cash. yes cut and paste saves you a job going into a link.

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Not really mate, you've just filled up a page with blah, blah blah, that will be equally ignored! ;)

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Not your own work....where did you cut and paste this from?
It is courtesy to give attributions if you use something pasted from somewhere else.

As Dave says it is all Blah-blah-blah.....but then that is your trademark.

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I'm afraid that turned out to be "smoking mirrors"; for instance the waiting time for hip replacements was approximately two years until Labour's apparent success in bringing the waiting time down to a few months. All the statistics showed the new system was working.

Unfortunately, what actually happened was that every department was making sure it met deadlines by unnecessarily passing patients from one consultant to another consultant. and in the case of hip replacements, I have one relative (and heard of others) who lived in excruciating pain for two years being passed along the departments until his hip operation.

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Think you're mixing your metaphors there Luce - 'Smoking Gun' or 'Smoke AND Mirrors'.

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:thankya:

for pointing out the obvious - altho' at the time I typed the darned message I hadn't realised my brain had gone on a walk about. (most probably stood in the middle of the room wondering what it was doing there) :)

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another cock up well well BBC News - Hundreds of thousands hit by benefits backlog, another near miss or was it by william hague when he shouted from rooftops arm the syrian rebels who we know now are foriegn nationals to syria .

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BBC News - Passport delays: 'We've been held to ransom' another cock up then lol just blame the last labour government:D:D not so funny for people who have earned a holiday.

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Interesting though cmon eh?

The Head Honcho in the passport office says the improving economy is to blame for delays in issuing passports as more people booked foreign holidays.

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zero hour contracts 16 hours included as full time employment people on the work program included in employed figures 250,000 self employed people on the bread line you are purely mental lol everybody knows the reasons are they made half the work force in the passport office unemployed. :enough: i cant believe people are believing the hedge fund news .

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really BBC News - Fees cut as part of emergency passport backlog measures she should resign anybody else not doing their job properly would get sacked;)

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And All the Johnny Foreigners who were let in by your beloved Labour are now eligible for a British Passport & as such are now claiming for one, not to mention the earlier hordes who are going for renewals so they can go on their hols back Home ..... er sorry, abroad, silly me! ;)

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Here you go C'mon, adopting your style of posting "C&P", I also apologise for it being a daily fail article, but at such short notice, well beggars can't be choosers. Paragraph 9 about sums it up. :rolleyes:

Over 2million UK passports handed to foreigners since 2000: One immigrant is made a British citizen every two and a half minutes | Mail Online

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so why did they sack half of the passport employees if they knew the population was still rising ? answer they haven't got a clue. the tories have destroyed everything British when they have been in power. 1. British telecom mostly owned by foreign companies and over seas governments ,all profits leaving these shores,British royal mail mostly owned by the Singaporean and middle east governments,British rail carved up to hedge fund investors who have raised prices so much people are on the bread line because they can't afford to travel to work,british nuclear half owned by the french government fully owned by foreign powers, the British water board owned by Saudi Arabian and other middle eastern governments with hedge fund connections. all sold to their tory mates no wonder working people are struggling the tories are the enemy from within. everything johnny foreigner loved about Britain destroyed they must think we are mental. another thing how many british people have been given passports form countries abroad . i think it might be about the same.

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I see your mouth moving but all I'm getting is blahdy, blahdy, blah, same old repetitive tripe & gripe, what did your boys do that was so wonderful? What would they do in the future? (I'm pretty sure I know, same o' same o' Labour!).

As to your last comment, I think I can help you there, NONE! (No-one is just given a passport, you have to apply funnily enough) You see, although we live abroad mainly due to better opportunities, a sense of adventure & to get away from the dogs dinner various Governments have made of our once proud country, I & others like me are still "True Brits" & would not willingly relinquish our claim to our British heritage.This is mainly due to the misguided belief that one day, just maybe, the country will return to its former glory & we might just want to come back home to stay. ;)

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there must be some ;) the only way our country would get its former glory if the infrastructure was put back into the hands of the population and proper government of britain. ie nationalization . we could control our own destiny instead of being at the mercy of the tory hedge funds.

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They are back stabers there is one in hyndburn and lies like hell

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I agree that proper governance would be a step in the right direction, but out of the whole shower of She-ite we've got to choose from, even mixing & matching across the parties you'd still be hard pushed to drag together a halfways decent, honest, reliable & trustworthy government.

As to nationalization, it isn't the answer, its been tried & look where it ended, dominance by the unions, work to rule, strikes which didn't help the general public, the employees or for that matter the employers. A balance between privately owned & nationalized "should" in theory be the way forward, but not so unbalanced as it is today.

Government should read the companies & bidders the riot act, allow them to tender, make a reasonable profit for their investment, but should maintain control over things. If someone starts getting greedy or fails to effectively carry the agreed terms & conditions they signed up to they should be immediately stripped of their contract, hammered with fines & sent packing. Not rocket science is it? But there's no-one with the backbone or balls to see such conditions through & until that changes, UK will continue to wallow in the cesspit of ineffectual mediocrity it finds itself in today!

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The same should be applied to the (dis)honorable members of the trough.

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under nationalized industries people could afford to travel to work the share holder wasn't paid billions it just doesn't make sense to pay companies to pay their shareholders a dividend private firms are not the answer. we could have good of the country clause in their contracts and i think people would just be content having a full time job with decent wages these days not the zero hour full time 16 hours classed as full time jobs.

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Some of those share holders are people who have put money into pension funds(so that they can have a reasonable life when they do actually retire)So if you contribute to a private pension, you may be a shareholder in many companies without actually knowing it....some of them are councils who have invested money to offset rising costs.

You paint share holders as all bad. You paint shareholders as all greedy and on the make.
Shareholders put money into companies so that companies can expand, research new markets, find and develop new products.
Without shareholders - those people who are willing to invest, some companies would cease to exist. Jobs would cease to exist.

I bought a small number of shares when I was working.......I am not paid billions. I get two small dividends each year.....neither of them have ever been more than £40...and sometimes I have received barely enough to buy myself a fish and chip supper.

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no such thing as invest from a hedge fund as we see what is happening at rangers they put 8 million in and took £70 million out. this shouldn't be happening to tax payers money . virgin,national express, serco, etc are run by a collection of very wealthy individuals who don't have the national interest at heart . there is no nationality its about class now . if i was in charge i would bring in a national savings in pensions make it competitive so people would use it so your money would be safe for a pension and the money wouldnt leave the country. its funny how so called lefty so called anti british policy made britain great with infrastructure building putting people in britain first. its funny how the tories wave the union jack and say they are patriotic but they are the ones who have done the most harm to britain and its people. sorry to ramble on but the current situation will only make things worse. there will always be people at the bottom and to give them a chance we need full employment and we cant do that giving money away to certain individuals.

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C'mon gets hammered every time he posts..

a) Weird thing is there were zero posts in general for almost 2 days and only a couple in the 2 days before that, C'mon posts and suddenly there is a plethora.

b) At least he puts his head over the parapet, it's easy to dismiss his arguments because he rarely follows them up, but I've yet to see a post that gives an opposing political argument. The usual strains of 'they are all the same' or 'what did your lot do'... just doesn't cut it as a valid anti-argument for me.

c) As for the shareholder argument, he isn't talking about the ordinary guy who has a tiny portfolio that can do zilch about the value of them, he is talking about the makers and shakers that can wipe out our meagre investment with a phone call or simple wave of a piece of paper on the floor of the stock exchange.

Blair is a war criminal, Brown is an idiot, but Cameron is slowly, secretively and irretrievably destroying the infrastructure of this country using headlines of 'benefit scroungers', 'invalidity scroungers', and 'the workshy' to cover his tracks. Our NHS, social care and mental health support is stretched to breaking point because of constant cutbacks, this leads to headlines in our local paper of troubled teenagers jumping off the Arndale and a man hanging himself in hospital.

Cameron claims there are no cutbacks to frontline services..that's true...there are plenty of frontline social service and NHS paper pushers constantly cutting funding to secondary hands on doctors, nurses, healthcare workers and other various support institutions.

Our railways are in disarray, our roads are full of potholes, lights are switched off on dangerous sections of motorway, our energy is foreign owned and we are overcharged without recourse (other than Cameron stating that they are very naughty boys), our schools are infiltrated by religious nutjobs, our jobless figures are massaged using zero hour and 16 hour contracts as full employment, our further education system figures are tweaked by offers of over generous bursaries and excess funding, our laws are made in Europe, our taxes are twisted to affect the poorest the most and the richest the least. We are unable to die with dignity unless we are fit enough to dot i's and cross t's on claim forms.

If I were a Scot..I'd vote to get the heck out, it's what DaveinGermany has done

The current crop of conservatives are far worse than Thatcher ever was..she was upfront about putting the working class in their place...the current lot are killing off the old, infirm and troubled using banner red top headlines to whip up support from the unthinking and unfeeling.

Camerons 'big society'...the poor can look after themselves, the rich need help..

I like to think I'm a socialist, but I do not believe that the majority of the current crop of Labour politicians represent these values (and I specifically include Graham Jones and the majority of our local Labour councillors in this)...before I lose faith in humanity, how about the conservatives amongst you? Do you truly believe that Cameron and his crooks represent your values?

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I had stopped posting to this thread as I am fed up of reading the same old same old....like the government of the past were lily white, like they never did anything wrong.
C'mon has, in the past posted just cut and paste stuff......it becomes tedious because in some instances he looks at a headline and it sounds like it supports his political views when it doesn't really.
He also posts stuff which is difficult to decipher because it is unpunctuated...and we all know that a little punctuation mark can alter the whole meaning of a lump of text.

It is time that we all realised that we - the electorate, have very little power over how this country is run. All politicians are in it for themselves. NOT for what they can do to make our lives better.
They do not listen to those who put them in the Palace of Westminster. They are elected because they say they will do something, then they go and do the exact opposite.
If voting changed anything, they would not let us do it.
If we vote and it all goes belly up then the politicians have someone to blame - us.
This may sound a cynical and jaundiced view. I just call it how I see it.

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I think you're wrong, C'mon gets hammered before he posts.


I doubt that it is his fault people hadn't been posting.
Punch can be seen on the beach in summer, he puts his head up several times a day, but like c'mon he always says the same things.

Rather than quote and comment about the rest of your come on, give C'mon a break post, let's just say, it was very similar to C'mons many, many posts in this thread, but you seem to know where to put the commas & full stops.

By the way the, 'they are all the same' argument works for most of us because...


...They ARE all the same.

:)

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When there wasn't strikes, a work to rule, the actual means of transport was working or available, that was nationalization for you! Once again C'mon you're letting your skewed views cloud the discussion! :rolleyes:

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times have changed people now know them days have gone. mp we never had this when labour was in Passport fiasco: Concern as frontline staff drafted in to tackle backlog - Telegraph in fact labour created the uk border control which has been effective even the tories admitted it. im not saying the last government was perfect iraq was a mistake Afghanistan was a disaster but if the utilities were still nationalized we wouldn't have needed to go into these places, as billions of pouinds have left these shores wasted to certain individuals linked to the tories. the real enemy from within. any way people get back to watching the hedge fund sky news the have actually reached their goal of brainwashing the public.

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Confused it appears! So the dark days are gone are they? Folk no longer need to be concerned about getting from A-to-B because those nice people in the unions wouldn't dream of inconveniencing the general public, not like them nasty tories! Try again Cmon! :rolleyes:

Games transport workers to ballot on strike action - Daily Record This on your own doorstep!

Union suspends three-day London transport strike | Reuters And this from the dim & distant past of Apr-May 2014!

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So Blair and the Labour government's participation in the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was caused by privatisation? Personally, I blame privatization for a lot but even I draw the line at that!

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yep if we had our own oil we wouldn't need to rely on the middle east but the private companies sell the oil off to our competitors. cameron says uk plc what a load of drivel, its not about nationality any more its about quick buck and class.

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So, Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with Blair's overweening ambition to be a world statesman?...his grovelling sycophancy to Bush?...and where does Cameron figure in these events under the last Labour Government? You really are mad as a box of frogs, aren't you?

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My goodness Guinness really wants to defend you when you talk tripe like this?

Have you ever considered reading your own crap?

Surely even you can tell the difference between sense & nonsense?

Oh, obviously not, you really should consider where is the real world?
It certainly ain't Alice's looking glass.

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so if the uk was self sufficient we wouldn't need to go into iraq or Afghanistan there's the clue. as this inept government cocks up the prisons.

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Well Labour,who i always voted for,were in long enough to Re- Nationalise, Why didn't they?:rolleyes:

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Don't hold your breath waiting for C'mon to answer that one Cashy.
In fact there were a lot of things that the could have done, should have done, but didn't bother, because they were brainlessly following that liar Blair...you know the chap who was far more interested in what the world would think of him to care about ensuring the safety of the UK.

He was too busy cosying up to George W Bush to make sure that the country was not over-run by immigrants. Was too keen on social engineering/multiculturalism/diversity to listen to the concerns of those who voted for him.
He was a champagne socialist of the very worst kind.....only half a step removed from a Tory....but C'mon will not accept this.

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We didn't "need" to go into Iraq or Afghanistan anyway. We went there to satisfy Blair's ego and because your Labour Government (with honourable exceptions like Robin Cooke) cravenly acquiesced to the whole misadventure...and where prisons comes into this I don't really know?

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It is easy....when C'mon can't find a suitable reason for what his beloved Liebour party did.....he chucks in a totally irrelevant issue that he thinks might just distract you from your original question.

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cock up by cock up the tories not fit for purpose.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ce=twitterfeed ohh and if you think its ok for the utilities to be owned by china tell david cameronok it he has sorted it for you last week.

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Good Boy! Who's a good Boy then? Go on Boy, fetch!

You're like a ratty terrier with a bone! Gnaw, gnaw, gnaw, growl, growl, growl! ;)

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Not quite, he's like a toothless jack Russel gnawing on a bone but getting nowhere, because like the only labour representative's we see on site refuse to see how their party has let folk down.
Having said that, at least they are brave enough to appear now and then, unlike any other party.

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the north west is the new scotland;) BBC News - Labour pledges to 'pause' universal credit if elected in 2015 universal credit to expand in the north west but they are only doing single people :rolleyes:

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Maybe that's where Bush and Blair belong;)

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Notice pause not cancel.
That's because it's obvious that a single system must be a better idea than all the separate ones. The problem is implementing the change over which is what appears to be wrong at the moment.

They have only said they will pause it trying get votes. Looks like another thing Labour agree with but didn't have the stones to do themselves because they are more interested in keeping votes than doing what.s needed

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what is he hiding:confused: IDS loses legal appeal to keep universal credit problems secret c

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And all he produces is Crap - someone should pick up after him and deposit him and his effluence into the "doggy" bin

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What have you got against Frogs - the garden variety not the French?

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yep the tories class cleansing london Can?t afford to live in London? Get on a train to Manchester, says Tory MP - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

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just as i suspected The Biggest Five-Year Drop In Wages Since 1864

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Is this due to just wages staying the same or falling or because of the increase in immigration? Read the story, understand how the calculation works and understand how immigration will reduce the figure

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Silly chap!!! asking Cmon to understand.:D

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I know, why do I bother?

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that is ludicrous, whatever reason it is the standard of living has fallen under the tories ditto;)

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More than one million pensioner households in the UK now have total wealth of more than £1 million.

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If Blair and Brown had bothered to talk to any weekly shopper they'd have learned that if you flood the market with seasonal food, the prices drop dramatically.

Blair and Brown managed to flood the labour market with indigenous people and their children, plus migrants and their children - what else do you expect!
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Having a total wealth of a million pounds may sound like these pensioners are rich.....but many of these pensioners will be asset rich and cash poor.
The money will be in the house that they own.....but they may struggle to pay their council tax, their utility bills and put food on the table.

I have been trying not to post to this thread as it just fuels C'mon to look for other sensationalist anti Tory headlines.
He does not see that all political parties are the same. Not in it for what they can do for the electorate....to make their lives better.
They are only in it to make a nice fat wedge for themselves....to network, so that when they are at last thrown out on their ear, they have influential contacts who will see them right.
Parliament is a nest of vipers. It is a shame that Guy Fawkes failed!

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I find it difficult to get upset over flooding a Countries labour market with indigenous people, if anyone should have a priority to be on a Countries workforce it should surely be those native to that country, as for flooding the labour market with children of either Indigenous or migrants to be abhorrent.
No wonder those of a legal age can't get work if children are under cutting those that can be legally employed.
:rolleyes:

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Yes, Guy Fawkes failed, had he succeeded all he would have done would be to replace a corrupt Protestant based Government with a corrupt Roman Catholic based Government.

Which group of people would have suffered under either system?

The same group that suffer under any corrupt Government, the ordinary folk.
:(

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Yes, Less..of course you are right...and in any case centuries have passed and we still have a shower of Fisons down in the POW.
Ordinary folk who think that they have a say in who the country is governed by and how the country is governed.......how very naive...gullible even!
Especially when our elected representative thinks that 95 per cent of us are too dumb to understand what being in the EU does for us...or some such tripe.......it was definitely 95 per cent though...that much I do remember.

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Such a large Percentage,is pretty easy to remember, even i can.:D

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Yes I remember it's 95 but being a pleb, can someone explain what % means?
:(

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Sorry cant remember that bit.:D

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Me too - I thought I'd pop in and see what other cut & paste was on offer :)

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Don't you feel a trifle narked that in former centuries when the population outstripped the market the government of the day used to pack people off overseas with a gift of a parcel of land waiting for them. :rolleyes: :)

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Its says:

It's based on GDP, the amount of income generated in the country in a given year.

Divided by the number of people in the UK, this income is still about 6% lower today than in 2008.

So if the number of people in the country go up it will affect the figure

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The trouble is the land normally belonged to an indigenous people that we at some point had conquered.

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There were few sensitivities about such things back then.
It is history......what happened.
It is only now that people go about wringing their hands and apologising.

What I don't get is how can you apologise for something that you were not guilty of...that you were not even born to see...doesn't such behaviour make all apologies shallow and of no value?

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Maybe it's like karma. They are now getting their own back, what goes around comes around that sort of thing. Now we are the poor people being taken over and used!!! :rolleyes:

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With the complicity of governments...past and present.

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Nope I had nothing to do with it, I live in the here and now.

I had nothing to do with enslaving blacks, killing Jews, taking Australia from it's natural inhabitants and far more human atrocities than could fit into this thread.

But I do try to make sense in the majority of my posts.

DO YOU?
;)

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Less, I will happily hold my hand up for the things that I have done...like you I live in the here and now.
I cannot see how apologising for things that I had no part in, can make those whose countries were colonised feel better.

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Way before we conquered other lands, we were conquered by the Romans. So while they flood Britain, can we all sod off to Italy and live off the taxes of the Italians?

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Somehow, I get the feeling she just wanted to divert the conversation rather than admit she was talking out of her arse when talking about introducing indigenous people to the work force.
We, the indigenous Tories know there is less work in us than a sick note, that is why we need immigration!
Let them do the work, after all that's what we trained them for when we had an Empire!
:eek:

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BBC News - Net migration into UK increases - Office for National Statistics

Immigration is negligible despite the doom mongering media channels 4 and 5, with their constant stream of foreign rip off artists and con men..you only need to read the local papers to find the equivalent brits doing exactly the same.

Most immigrants come in to work (admittedly for less money and more hours which they promptly send home or save for their education..go talk to any Blackpool hotel worker)..this actually increases the meaningless massaged GDP figures bandied about by successive governments....

The point our scottish friend is making is that this government is artificially holding down wages using a recession caused by the incompetence of rich bankers playing with pieces of paper like 5 year olds play monopoly, stealing £500 from the bank when they think nobody is looking.

You can argue that all politicians are the same....but this lot are specifically targeting the weak, the helpless and the working man to ensure their wealthy mates make even more money.

Any Scot with half a brain ( C'mon obviously don't fit this group :D) will vote for independence away from a bastardised, corrupt, old fashioned and out of touch westminster government that has no concept of what its like living in todays Britain.

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I'm nodding my head in agreement .......... plus we elbowed aside the native fauna. I have an immigrant ancestor who came here in 1860s plus I'm pretty certain that one of my branches is descended from an invading tribe which was fighting for territory in the Borders in the 600s.

Thank goodness we're more civilised these days - some of us just insult each other on forums lol. :)

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Unfortunately that was my bad grammar.

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And the last lot cynically encouraged immigration as a way of increasing their voting base.....not only that they encouraged welfare claims, again so that people became dependent( as opposed to fostering independence and aspiration).
Those they made dependent on them were unlikely to cast their vote for any other party which would remove the benefits that the dependants had grown used to.
Being dependent on hand outs from the state damages your confidence in your ability to be responsible for yourself.

The Labour Party did a lot of social engineering, social experimentation without any thought for the consequences. Maybe by this time the had realised that what they were leaving for another party(Tory)....another government(Tory) was a poisoned chalice.
So I will continue to reiterate that no politician is in politics for what he can do for me and thee.....only what he can do for himself.


Also,we are fooled into thinking that we have a democracy....But if voting changed anything they would stop us from doing it.
All voting does is give politicians someone they think they can blame when the brown stuff hits the fan.

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Perhaps, had you said this:-
Instead of trying to cloud the issue with this:-

You wouldn't be feeling insulted now?
:)

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In politico terms, wind yer neck in & do as your "betters" say! I hope this helps your understanding Mr confused of Accrington. :D

Taxes?? In Italy??? Think you'd be hard pushed with that little plan, didn't old Silvio & his mates "Bunga-Bunga" what there was on juicy Lucys &their likes. :rolleyes:

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Ooops - looks like my sense of humour is on a different page than yours.

I was raised in Wm Wilberforce land and abhor slavery. I'll leave you to put your own interpretation on that.

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I don't see why you should assume that you are exclusive in your abhorrence of slavery, it is right and proper for all decent humans to think that way.
However even the Tories can't be blamed for it's continued existence, so it was just thrown in to paper over the cracks in your indigenous theory.

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every few years or so some group or other starts asking for an appology for slavery in america.Now im not a supporter of slavery but im pretty sure myself , my parents or my grandparents didnt have any part in slavery especially in america yet it wasnt too long ago our government was issuing an appology on behalf of the UK.I think the appology was issued under tony blairs dictoatorship so im guessing his appology to iraq is been written up any day now.

i think the next time our contry is asked to appologise for events from long long ago a statement shoud be issued stating " GET OVER IT " but the way this country works we will be appologising to the germans soon for getting in the way of their world domination

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Except that we are not getting in the way of their ambitions. They are just pursuing them in a different and insidious way. Trouble is there are lots of folk in our government who cannot see this and by their apathy are helping them.

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them with the power to stop or reverse what has happened to this country dont give a damn because while they are selling this contry down the river they are making enough money to move anywhere in the world they like or have enough money for nothing to effect them.

the hardest decision a politition will ever make after a carreer in politics is how many acres of land he or she needs between them and their neigbours

all crooks and in it for themselves and they still find ways to line tehir pockets despite been exposed as theives only a few years ago

they are answerable to no one

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No.

I just feel so sorry for all the youngsters trying to keep body and soul together.

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so David Cameron wants France to cancel its £1 billion deal with Russia , so does this mean the Tory party will refund all its donations from the Russian tax dodgers in London:confused: we have the right to know.

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Why don't you ask him?
Then again, I thought you would know seeing as you are party to such information long before us plebs.

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its hard to hear all the news when your heads wedged up millibands arse

ask you know who :D

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What a load of crap, were still selling arms to em,as we would be whoever was in power.:rolleyes:

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But Cashy, if that were the case then it would never get a mention.....because if Labour did it it would be deemed acceptable

And as for the funds given to the Tory party by Russian oligarchs.....well, of course that is deplorable too.
The Labour Party would never take money from donors would it?

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Not such an issue taking money from donors, it's just about taking it from the dodgy ones who're wanting something in return that's the naughty!

And of course, Liebour are above all that ................ :rolleyes: