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Hedge fund chiefs donate £1.3m to Tory party in just 12 weeks - UK Politics - UK - The Independent yes the real reason why they are privatizing the utilities .their hedge fund mates are coining it in.:lamer:Banane40:

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ohh look the not fit fir government kill badgers for nothing, everything they touch they cock it up Government releases figures showing badger cull case was exaggerated by flawed bovine TB statistics - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

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So which lot are fit for government then?

Your beloved Liebour? Those who took us to war on the premise(lies) that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, aimed at us?
Those who squandered tax payers money on projects that never materialied(NHS computer systems)..or was it those who opened the door to all and sundry and made it easy to claim benefits to which they had contributed nothing? Those who made benefits easier to claim than going to work...and doomed these people to a life of poverty...dependent on a Liebour government being in power?

I can tell you in an instant...none of the current parties!
They are all in it for themsleves...not for you or me.....to make nice fat wedges for their own retirement.
Democracy is a myth......it doesn't exist

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you could say the lesser of 2 evils:p

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No...I couldn't. But clearly, you can.

Maybe that is because you can't see the damage the Blair government did to this country. That wasn't a Labour government...there was precious little that was socialist about it. Privileged career politicians with not a days real work behind them.Like many others they brushed the concerns of the electorate under the carpet. Porous borders, rampant immigration, out of control benefits....but you would welcome them back...you poor deluded sod!

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No, I would say War Crimes.
Sending our armed forces to fight a war based on lies, cooked up so we could go to war.
Try telling the Thousands of our Brave wounded forces personal who went to war because of a Labour Government.
Try telling that to those who lost their lives, because a Labour Government lied about Iraq's WMD's.

Words fail me........

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Aye but brains fail him.:D

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Would he be moaning if so much money was donated to Labour? How much money do Labour get donated and where from?
I googled that and found this link on there donations http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...-labour-party/

If you do some reading on it you will find out that the Labour party has loans for at least £12 million and with their new policy on wanting unions members to specifically say they want to pay into the political fund they could become bankrupt. Which will be ironic with what they did to our Country.

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No Neil...I'm sure he wouldn't be moaning.
So I guess it is just a case of sour grapes then.
Thank you for the link..it is most illuminating.

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a world wide recession is now labours fault lol our country is not bankrupt david cameron himself said money was no object;)

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this is what the tories want. they dont want poor people in their parks in london.
The council playground in London that costs £20 a time - London - News - London Evening Standard

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You're doing it again! Do you ever read your links before you post them?

The new standard playground will be free. The Tory council have spent £250,000 on it.

The charges would be for using a new privately run Go Ape 'thrilling and challenging two to three hour long tree top experience'. All the Go Ape sites are quite dear. They have to pay for 20 staff plus a fortune to the council!

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Typical C'mon, sensationalist headline, quick c&p! http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...illy_nilly.gif You didn't read the article though did you? http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/doh2.gif

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He aint got the brains, he wants us to read em, then we can see how bright he really is.:D:D:D:D

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How Labour Deputy Harriet Harman, her shadow minister husband and former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt were all linked to a group lobbying for the right to have sex with children

I thought that in the interests of equality C'mon might have posted a link to this story.

Shows the calibre of those who run the Liebour party.

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God that is depraved, I particularly disliked this quote:-

I admit to in the past having been:-Towards children, as have all decent adults, but it's a sick mind that thinks that should be rewarded by having sex with the child.

All children grow up very quickly, however their 'innocent years' should not be marred by such actions performed by these beasts, (I was going to say adults, but a real adult doesn't even consider such actions).

Now if you will excuse me I think I'll find a member of PIE to be sick over.
:mad:

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I spotted this story on a news stand in Bury this morning....It is on the front page of the Mail.....I know how this paper gets bad press so I looked to find a different angle on the story.(I did actually read the story on the online version of the Mail)
It seems that civil servants are trawling the archives to find out more information about this situation. It seems that PIE were lobbying these ministers for changes in the law to bring down the age of consent to 4 - yes 4 years old.......Ms Harman was looking at the legal angle of this issue, but apparently Patricia Hewitt spoke of the PID in 'glowing terms'....It is sick(and I know that in current parlance that means great - but I mean sick as in deranged)!

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Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child pornography law - Telegraph

Here is more information.
This woman is despicable.

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I'd like to say I'm shocked,but Nothing these "beasts" do nowadays ceases to amaze me....even this unsavoury behaviour :(

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This would be the same Harridan Harman whose expenses had porn films on that her husband was watching???? Makes you wonder doesn't it?

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I'm pretty sure C'mon will talk about the perverts that are in the tory and lib dem parties....but these politicians were looking at legalising paedophilia....where it would have been legal for these deranged people to [B sexually abuse children[/B].
Sickening doesn't cover it.

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Yes...one and the same.

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No, Dave, that was Jacqui Smith, ex-Home Secretary who can now been seen pontificating on TV from time to time.

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Thank you yer'honer! I appear to have gotten these 2 contemptible exponents of Labours excesses somewhat mixed up.


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That's the thing with politicians they are all the same :)

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Shocking story if true but the strangest English I've ever read. It reads as though it's a badly programmed computer translation.
Perhaps cmon wrote it?

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Probably written by Pedro Carolino ... I'm surprised it didn't promote the craunching of marmosets.:rolleyes:

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Could be. Considering the subject perhaps he was using a Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook?

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From the writing you'd think so, but due to it's slating Labour figures, not a chance. ;)

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It was from an American publication. As I said I spoted the story on the front page of the mail, but didn't use their article because of the animosity the Mail provokes on here...but I did read the mail article online.
I also read a Telegraph article from 2009 which relates to this story(I think I posted a link to that article too)...there is also a similar story on Labour 25.

If these stories are true, then it is worrying that these people who were in the top eschelons of government aligned themselves to this group(PIE) which lobbied to promote paedophilia...and legalise it.

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When the child abuse scandals first surfaced it was suggested politicians, police, judges and other top people would be implicated.
Strange that so far it's just been TV, radio and other media people denounced! Except of course Cyril Smith and he's dead so it doesn't matter.
I'm not ,of course, suggesting any possibility of a 'cover up'- not possible in this country(?).

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it would not surprise me in the least if there had been a cover up. It may also be why the political parties have dragged their feet in legislating against internet porn - making it so that you have to opt in, rather than having to opt out.
Anyway, the achives are being rifled for evidence as we speak.

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If there has not been a cover up of Top People i will plat snot.:rolleyes: Whats happened seems to me to be a complete cop out, I.E. Go fer soft targets.

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ive seen these before , i dont know if its true but its weird nothing else has been made of it:confused: labour ,tory, liberal , or anybody else should be hung. this is beyond politics its an affront to common decency. i always thought sigmund freud was a bit iffy as well.

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Playing with Paedophiles | labour25

More here.

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All this information is out there.

Harriet Harman was a legal advisor for the National Council for Civil Liberties(which later changed it's name to Liberty)
Patricia Hewitt was also involved with the NCCL.
Harriet Harman was involved in trying to get the age of consent lowered(to 10 years of age) and also watering down child pornography laws.
She wanted any material found on computers to be returned to the owner once any court case was finished. She called on ministers to make it legalise sexually explicit images of children unless it could be shown that the child subjects of the pictures had been harmed.

I cannot believe that a woman could lobby for such things.

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Yes.....lying,cheating,(terrorist) criminals.
I know,I for one am fed up with politicans ignoring the views of the majority an doing what's best for their own pockets :(
We need new politicians,new ideas and we need them to have the balls to see them ideas through....Not these expense/kiddy fiddling criminals.
An MP elected to parliament in 2010 was four times more likely to be jailed than the average member of the public.:eek:
Soon as they are in power they follow the same road,Yet folk still vote,I'm perplexed :rolleyes:

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Expenses MP Hazel Blears to quit Commons in 2015 - Telegraph

Good riddance

She severely damaged the UK's civil liberty laws.

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Should be gone NOW not 2015.

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5% of folks would agree with you ... the other 95% don't give a flying you-know-what.;)


Hey folks ... just noticed that this is post 8000 for me ... when I first found this forum, I was going to have a quick butchers and move on to something else ... I'm still here ... gotta get me a life. And how about the Canadian women's hockey team.:alright::alright::alright:

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Eric, I was much the same.
I was in awe of people like Willow and others of the time who had, what seemed to me to be cosmic post counts.
I'm still here too, and would like to think that I will be here in another ten years.....wonder what my post count will be then.

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Ha..bringing things back on thread...from the ever factual wikipedia...

'conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity'

..always knew you two avid 'continuist' posters had something in the closet :p

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Which two?

That's the most confusing post you've put on for a while.

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Just pokin' a little gentle tease at the canuck socialist and nursey anarchist rabbiting about post counts, pointing out that bean counting is a tory value :D

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I like your description of me Guinness......It is something that my ex colleagues would recognise........my nursey backgtound makes the bean counting part of my make up...it is in my fibre to get the best value out of everything. That includes life.
Now I have just smashed my anarchist credentials by justifying myself! Damn and Blast :D

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Well if stopping a womans benefits,when shes in a coma is owt to go off, once again Camerons lot are demonstrating how caring they are.:rolleyes:

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Sigh..now you got me on a rant ;) ...how about someone who is doubly incontinent, immobile and suffers from pressure sores (medically recommended to be moved every couple of hours) being told that she has to wear incontinence pads and can only be moved and changed 3 times a day or the catheterised 80 yr old with dementia who keeps ripping it out, allocated a couple of hours a day support...when these guys are inevitably hospitalised LCC stops paying and the NHS picks up the budget.

NHS are not equipped to deal with them, care support are not paid by LCC to give that support...people die...win/win budget wise, two less none producers.

Ain't just the tories..check out the Labour church councillors viewpoint..

Working class will ?feel brunt of cuts? in Church (From Lancashire Telegraph)

It's the old, the pensioners..they are the drain..shoot the none producing lot of them!

Labour..fix the parks..stuff the elderly and needy....Keir Hardie has turned in his grave (Cllr.Joan Smith will probably have to google that name)

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Well, weren't they talking recently of not treating the elderly if the powers that be thought they had had a good inning?
But yet when those who want to be euthanised ask for a special dispensation because their lives have no quality to them - these requests are turned down.
They will look at the elderly in terms of what value they have to society.
Well, I guess I could be considered elderly....what have I given to society. Lots,but that won't count.
I still provide a service. I look after my sick daughter and her children. Don't get me wrong I don't want any medals, but this is saving money for the country.......so would I be considered as worthless?

When people are having to work for many more years before they reach retirement the last thing they want to think is that health care provisions will be removed from them because they 'have had a good innings' or that the health care costs cannot be justified.

It is all further evidence of the moral decline of this country. And all the political parties are to blame.

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Guinness we all know it aint just them, But they are in power, so therefore responsible at this moment in time, I do not need you or anyone to tell me they are all as bad.

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i was going to post a poll, but does anybody else think william hague is a complete muppet:eek: why is he off trotting over to the ukraine when he does not have a clue ?

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Cashy the current incumbent inherited a whole shedload of trouble when they got elected. I don't think even they knew the enormity of it all.
It is going to take a long time to fix.
A lot of the main problems have been because successive governments have just tinkered around the edges of major problems - in the hope that it would tide them over until someone else got into power.

None of them have had the cojones to tackle the problems of the welfare state, the porous borders where we haven't got a scooby as to who is here and whether they should be.

Successive governments have spent money in the wrong places......on projects that hadn't a hope in hell of getting off the ground.

Whoever had got in after the last election had inherited a poison chalice - and I am pretty damn sure that Labour would have had to make some very radical cut to services to make ends meet - either that or continue in hock.

Shower of Fisons the lot of them. None of them are fit to run a jumble sale.

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OH NO! Not another poll.
Did he tell you that he didn't have a clue in the last cabinet meeting you snook into then?

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It's alright Margaret he is missing jaysay's comments

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Do you even follow the debates in this thread? You are so typical of current New Labour..'sod everyone else's opinion..only my view matters, because I know more than you'...ever thought of standing in Hyndburn?

I wish you would, because then you'd stop posting nonsense, just like the rest of those incumbent councillors that can't cope with reasoned argument and prefer to post on protected blogs and twitter/facebook accounts where they can block anyone who disagrees with their half baked theories.

You know who I mean, the ones that badmouthed incumbents when they were out of power and went silent when they got in power.

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Guinness, C'mon would not know a debate if it jumped up and bit him on the behind.
All he really knows is sensationalist cut and paste jobbies and pointless polls.

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no a jobbie:eek: :D:D:D:D:D:D lol i wonder if he is still going lol now the russians have invaded.

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lol :D:D:D:D:D:D ..I wonder what EdM's stance on this is? lol..I wonder if EdM even knows where Russia is?..No doubt he'll have a scripted statement prepared by an unpaid intern in the next 24hrs

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i would stay well out of it. i wonder what the pro government militia are in the uk. lokks like the nazis won the war BBC News - London's Brompton Road Tube station sold for £53m this is asset stripping at its worse . i wonder what tory cronie got this asset. perhaps another hedge fund owned by osborne's in-laws.

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I am sure they would be happy to hear your thoughts on the subject.
Maybe you can tell them next time they invite you to one of the inner circle meetings of the cabinet.

While you are there you could ask who got the Brompton Road tube station....being so,well connected and informed, I'm sure they would tell you!

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think william hague might have done a u-turn:D

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At least he is performing a manoeuvre....you just blindly drive on, flat out, regardless of argument, regardless of common sense, regardless of public opinion...foot to the floor, engine screaming because you are in the wrong gear, mowing down people warning you of the danger ahead, gleefully ignoring them as they bounce off your bonnet, before smashing into the wall of fact..GAME OVER!

Then you just press restart on your x-box driving simulation and change the parameters of your argument..typical c'mon....typical New Labour...

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:D whats he going for :confused: we arent exactly a world power now as putin said.

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Well, I thought you were in on all these major decisions. Awww....C'mon, you diappoint me.
I thought you had ALL the answers.

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the tories are blaming labour for this you couldnt make it up,then william hague says there will be consequences . yes for us higher energy prices william hague is a joke. he then announces there will be no military action. ye thats right you sacked the military off putin must be shaking in his boots:D:D:D

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...and what would your beloved Labour lot do if they were in power? Declare war on Russia? :rolleyes:

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Only so they could surrender immediately, then they could blame the Russians for everything going wrong, a refreshing change from always blaming the Tories.

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They would join with their commy brothers and invade Ukraine

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I see that the tories are standing firm by their principles in their response to what is going on in the Ukraine.:D

UK seeking to ensure Russia sanctions do not harm City of London | World news | theguardian.com

After all, particularly in the Crimea, the Russians are only marching into their own "back yard" ... come to think of it, wasn't it a tory government that came up with that idea in '36.:rolleyes:

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Oh Eric...you took that from the loyal Guardian - a bastion of Labour support :)

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It says they got the infor from a secret document photographed by a freelance photographer. How is that ok but listening to the voicemail of people daft enough to leave the password set to 1234 is wrong? Come to think of it why wasn't the Guardian prosecuted for posting all the stolen wikileaks information. It was illegally obtained just like some of the stories that cam about from so called phone hacking.

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Good questions Neil...but please don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.
I think that C'mon's crystal ball has gone a bit coudy....a bit like his memory.

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Sorry about that. The salmon with all the foreign muck on it gave me the runs; so, I had to use the "Daily Mail" for more demanding purposes.;)

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See Eric...I told you that stuff wasn't good for you....The Daily Mail I mean :)

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ducking and diving as usual http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-emails.html;)

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help to buy creating a house bubble ,getting badgers to move the goal posts,letting britain decide eat or heat, securing britains future by selling it to rich foreigners , income tax for the super rich, bribing the pensioner with the blow your pension, privatizing the nhs by stealth,blaming immigrants and poor people,being booed at the olympics , tough on teachers tough on the cause of teachers, getting rid of libraries may i go on;)

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No, but doubtless you will anyway.

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About the only part of your rant with any substance was.

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In the spirit of Cmon's copy/paste ethic....

Vietnam?s punishment for corrupt bankers: Death

Apparently the far left know how to deal with people who rip the proletariat off for personal gain, just a tad different from Cameron bestowing them with knighthoods, obscene bonuses and even more of our money :rolleyes:

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True but Vietnams got the better option imho.

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Bedroom tax oh yes.....

....then we have Maria Miller owning a £1.2 million pound London property housing her parents, husband and children and declaring it her "second home"

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I like it too ... come to think of it, if they execute corrupt bankers, politicians who cheat on their expenses, rich sonsabitches who avoid taxes by stuffing their loot into offshore tax havens, etc., I just might change my mind about capital punishment.:D

Oh, and let's include the chief executives of GM, who knew for years that they were installing defective ignition switches in their automobiles. Thirteen people died as a result. Under the American system of justice, which many of you so admire;), this would be punished by death or, if they were lucky, thirteen consecutive life sentences.:D

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Well the cheating,robbing cow has now resigned.

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Not good enough to my mind, she should be made to repay the full amount & not the contrived pittance she did & furthermore taken to task to make a proper & full sincere apology for being a coniving, money grubbing, contemptible creature.

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Oh i agree totally, but thats "NEVER" gonna happen as we well know.

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Sad but true my dear Cashers, sad but true!

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Yeah Ol... BUT she has only gone from the cabinet. She is still MP for Basingstoke and therefore keeps her snout in the trough.

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I think it takes a particularly thick skin to rise to the top in politics and that's why there seems to be a lack of shame when thieving MP's are exposed. If it were you or me we'd be jailed, fined and forced to pay it back as well as having a criminal record affecting your employment prospects. It's the contempt that really gets me. Shell just lie low for a while and be back on the front bench before anyone notices, business as usual.

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Despicable woman

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BBC News - Tony Caplin resigns as quango chairman the irony lol

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Did you miss the bit that said the previous Labour Government had appointed him to a number of public bodies?

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Ah but was he an undeclared bankrupt then?

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Neil, C'mon can see no harm in anything that the Liebour government did.....it is mint imperial to him.....he can only carp on about the failings of the current incumbents.Frequently he posts sensationalist links without having read the text of what he posted.

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see because its cmon,yer both missing the fact that it was 2012 when he was declared bankrupt, "AFTER" his employment by Labour ended. so would suggest youse aint read the text of what this blinkered creature posted.and whilst he never declared this fact, its very odd cameron was not aware, being the closeness of em.

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Cashy, these days I rarely read the links that C'mon posts(I used to,but have given it up as a pointless exercise). My life is short enough as it is......don't want to waste time on sensationalist stories about some sleaze bag who works for any political party.
You and I KNOW that they are all the same...with only one aim in life...to get rich at our expense.

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Perfectly true, but Neil made what i regard as a useless point.:D

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I didn't miss that fact, please stop helping him :D

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I make many of those

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Oh i know he won't probably have even read the link he posted, cos if he had he wouldn't have missed pointing that fact out, the alternative is= he did read it n is too dumb to digest the info.:D or he would have made that point.

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So Neil makes the odd pointless post......C'mon makes them in the thousands.

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Aye but i always say what i see, no matter who it is. n some accuse people of backing each other up, which is pathetic in my view.