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a few of my friends lost their jobs today while they were out on a shout . shameless liar thats boris the dangerous buffoon :( Firefighters In Tears As 10 Stations Close In London | LBC

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Hey C'mon..explain this cut and paste...

BBC News - EU Referendum Bill: Peers delay legislation

Your guys have delayed this bill just enough that it probably won't become law, so that they can ignore it on a technicality if they get in power. Really hope that you and your party are proud of stopping the will of the people.

Vote Labour..Vote Europe!

To paraphrase the great labour politician Kenneth Moss of Rishton Towers..us nuggets really shouldn't 'purport to know far more about things than your average man on the street, because we don't know what is really going on, because we just read stuff'

I despise conservative values..but current labour values typified by the Mossian edict above, remind me of Animal Farm.. 'all animals are equal except the pigs who are wiser'

Strange how Orwell depicted his version of politicians pretending to work for the people as trough eating pigs.

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BEt yeh none of em has the guts to comment on this? in fact reckon they will vanish up own backsides.:rolleyes:

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politically inept lol read carefully ,david cameron says the uk needs a better deal in europe. ie we are not leaving europe . it the political elite that are holding it up not just the labour peers. there are labour and tory peers who support the bill all the lib dems oppose

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People can read carefully unlike you on many occasions, The fact remains the vote was giving the public a vote, wether conditions were improved or not.:rolleyes:

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he is not exactly economical with the truth at the best of times:eek::D

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So in your view he's being open (I did consider the word honest ...... but in association with politicoes....) then????? My, that's a turn around for you C'mön, you actually lauding a Tory!!!!! The mind boggles!!! :eek:

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Surely none of you really believed that the electorate would get a say in the thorny problem that is the EU?

Now Ed Balls is trying to say that he will turn the economy around if Labour get into power at the next election......and just how is he planning on doing this......?
They couldn't manage it when they were in power the last time.
When in opposition a politician can say anything he wants about what they plan to do in the future......it can't be tested until they are in power...and then it is too late.

His speech gives me no confidence at all. After all look at what Ed milliband did to banking/power shares and he isn't even in government.
Shower of fisons, the lot of them!

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I'm just glad c'mon is okay, havn't seen him on here since the figures were published that Britain as the fastest growing economy in Europe, I had a vision of a rampant Jock wearing a see you jimmy cap with a red wig, dancing up and down and stamping on a picture of George Osborn screaming you Tory Barsteward:D

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Do you believe that UKIP will take us out of Europe if they were to get in?

I think the local elections will be very interesting this year.

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Neil, there will not be enough of them in the POW to influence anything very much.
Yes...you are right the local elections are going to be very interesting

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there are a few things stopping me voting Conservative, and a few things stopping me voting Labour.
Again, a few things that encourage me to vote Conservative, and a few encourage me to vote Labour.

My biggest problem with the Conservative party is its failure to offer aspiration, this is what I thought they stood for?
My biggest problem with Labour is Ed Balls and the other hangers on from the wreckage of the last government, I dont want to see any of them return to a position of power.

I cant help summarise after speaking to others, that if Labour would have had a clean sweep at the top of the party of the rubbish ministers from the last government, they would be in a far stronger position.
I simply dont trust this current Labour leadership nor the direction of the party.
Its fake, its stinks of desperation to get elected, and they are willing and are saying anything to get elected.

And while I may not like some of Cameron/Osborne policies and decisions, at least you know what you get with them.
And on the economy, deficit and welfare spending they have generally got it right with some exceptions.

As for the Lib Dem's, I will never vote for them.

I dont know who I will vote for 2015.

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Yes, but it's a moot point, they won't get in because as a party they have grown faster than they can police themselves (SDP anyone?). The media love front paging the oddballs that claim homosexuals are to blame for floods, yet play down the oddballs in jail for ripping us off on expenses, that create illegal wars, that claim they have mental problems to avoid prison, that sell off the wealth of the nation to foreign investors, that give away our childrens heritage to Brussels, that destroy our industry, that reduce our ability to defend ourselves, that pick on the weak and needy, that use the health of each and every one of us as a political football, that pretend to be tigers or eat insects on reality tv shows etc..etc...

That's easy..Vote Labour...they are klever, they kno stuff that us unwasht unedukated simpleton sheeple don't.

Vote Labour...Published stuff always wrong, Labour diatribe always true...or...to continue the Orwellian allegory... four legs good, two legs better

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The question is...Where do you place your trust when those you have trusted in the past have proved to be unworthy of that trust?
When those you have trusted have not lived up to their promises, either at local or national level?
Come the election, I will trundle down to the polling station and will either tick all of the boxes or write on my ballot paper 'none of the above'.
I will go to the polling station so that I am not considered one of those too apathetic to stir my stumps to go and vote......one of those 'lazy people'.
I cannot align myself to any of the current political parties. I trust none of them because my trust has been squandered so many times. I feel I have been duped by false promises.
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me!
There is no such thing as democratic process - change through the ballot box is just an illusion. A sop to common people to let them think they have a say in how the country is governed.

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You could always make a protest vote for someone you haven't tried before and show those you believe have betrayed your trust they need to buck up their ideas and listen to us

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Neil I have done that too in the past......It makes absolutely no difference to the three main parties..those that have a chance to get elected.
Look at our own illustrious MP. He thinks that 95% of us care little about whether we are in the EU or not.
But although he thinks that, he voted against us having the option to declare our feelings on the issue.
The three main parties treat the electorate with complete and total contempt. That is why I feel that democracy no longer works.
When there are protests the like of which are occurring in the Ukraine right now, there may be a chance that the politicians might get the message, though I doubt it. They would probably just bring in the army with water cannons and rubber bullets.

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:D:D his figures are dubious but only time will tell .. 280,000 new jobs in 3 months thats the clue. lets do his figures for him . you do know he is counting people on the work program as people employed so thats £1billion payed out to private contractors for at least 90,000 people on the work program , the 45,000 people the government figures rate as self employed , about 60,000 jobs with 20 hours or less as the government class 20 hours a week full time employment. yes that is some recovery;)

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figures put forward by any party are dubious, because they all have something to prove.
Much has been made of the flawed statistics in the crime figures and those in the NHS too.
When will people realise that politicians(all of them of every party) tell us what they want us to know. They treat us like primary school children...they fear that we are not able to process the real information......and I have said it time and again, statistics mean nothing.

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I've been viewing this thread for a while,I've always resisted the temptation to comment (till now) :D.

'Figures' show unemployment down to 7%,what a load of BS (give yourselves a pat on the back tho Tories).
I don't know what country their living in but it can't be Britain.
There's never been some many folk in PT work, in jobs that don't pay anything,working for these 'Agencies'.
You might have a full week one week and the next 1 maybe 2 days (hardly full-time employment) :rolleyes:.
In 2013 the Tories said something along the lines of anyone working for a Agency now will be on the same rate of pay as the normal worker working for that company,all the same benefits,holidays.What a load of tosh that was ;).
These Agencies make you self employed,So you go through a umbrella company,they pay your tax,insurance so you don't have to have the same rate of pay as the normal worker working for that company.You don't get the benefits, you certainly don't get the holidays (that's how they got around that).
If you hadn't guessed yet,I think Tories are full of it (Just like the Rest).

Which way to the heritage-history section :D

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.... and anything.;)

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Yer quite correct accyexplorer, missus son works fer n agency, sometimes only gets 1 shift, NO holiday pay, No company pension or anything, Trouble is some are too blinkered to see whats going on.:rolleyes:

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They usually mean what those who commissioned them wanted them to mean.
Figures can be skewed in many ways, not least of all the interpretation of them.
I trust none of them. Age has made me both cynical and suspicious.

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They don't mean what they are told to say, but they say it anyway.
It's not your age that's made you cynical, it's their underhand actions that caused it.

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The Tories say wages are going up :rolleyes:.
I know folk that 10yrs ago was on £10per hr,an today,guess what there on £10per hr.Now I'm not a mathematician but something doesn't add up (it's pity full).I don't know how they get away with it (I blame the people).Its propaganda they put it out on the news,radio god knows how many times,In the end not only do they start believing it,(some ;)) folk believe it too.
Be serious,how many working folk can save up nowadays?,how many can afford a nice holiday? (Their having a laugh) :mad:

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As sincere as you may be, as Margaret P' reminds us, we are being ripped off by all parties not just the Tories.

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Very true too.
I'd rather eat crumbs with "bums",Than steaks with these politician snakes. :D

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Sorry, totally disagree with this.

Just who are these people that you blame? Shapeshifters? Aliens? Lizard men? You are one of these 'people'..what are YOU doing to stop them getting 'away with it'?

Propaganda...no doubt..but most of us see right through it, we don't believe, we are cynical, we bitch, we whine...we know we are being screwed!!.....but tell us what else we can do when the party political voting system is so archaic that no matter what we do at the ballot box, we cannot effect reasonable change?

The only answers we get in open debate are 'we know better than you, so shut it you lazy nobody!' (take a look at some of the politicians answers on this forum if you don't believe that one)

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labour gave us the national minimum wage .david cameron and his cronies voted against it at the time. this is fact.

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I respect your right to a different opinion G.
The people i blame are those with the blinkers up,The ones who cant taste the BS they are being fed from all parties.So i do the only thing i can do to stop them getting 'away with it',I don't vote an share my view.
"I'm not here to come up with some world Utopia" (No one will share my beliefs 100% even if i did).
I had my little rant an I respect folks right to a different opinion. :)

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Here we go round the mull..sscrrit..here we go round the mull..sscrrit..here we go round the mull..sscrrit..Oy! Change the 'kin record will ya, I do believe it's scratched! ;)

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look in the mirror:D fact of the day. in 1993 british rail had no debt as it wasnt allowed to rack up debt, network rail has £35 billion of debt . fact the tories privatization of public services and utilities is the reason we owe so much money. not the disabled and the weak who the tories are demonising.

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So when did the debt start? who was in power?

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Just did & I saw a 'andsome geezer :D, well balanced & sensible looking back at me, exactly what I expected to see. You on the other hand my friend ...... well lets just say, you'll be sorely disappointed at what you see.

Unless of course you're expecting to see some kind of jaded, repetitive, tired & insular individual! A reflected soul mate perchance? ;)

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I'm getting repetitive too......watch my lips......read, learn and inwardly digest.....They are all the same!
None of them listen to what the electorate has to say. They believe that we are all ill educated numpties.

There has been a huge groundswell of opinion against the membership of the EU.....we have been promised many times that we will be able to have a say in our destiny....but yet again our dreams of this are dashed by the infighting in the three main parties...there are other major issues too where the electorate has been largely ignored..
Politicians aren't in politics to make our lives better....they are in it to make their lives better...to make contacts, to dip their bread in the gravy train at our expense.

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Remember the owd saying Margaret." Yeh can't put sense where there is none.":D

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Yes Cashy, but the lord loves a trier.

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some more money wasted in a pay off .its a big merry go round;) BBC News - Ofsted chair Sally Morgan accuses No 10 of ousting non-Tories from posts

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I know one thing,I don't remember seeing Downing Street on CH4's Benefit street ;)

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Thats kinda what we already do...you share your view, we bitch and whine. Some of us don't vote, some of us spoil our votes and some of us religiously trudge down to the polling station in the vain hope that our vote will matter, only to be totally disappointed when the guy who promises change and to speak for you does an about face, because he suddenly becomes 'in the know' and calls you lazy and ignorant of facts when you attempt to debate.

You blame the people. I blame the system.

You only have to look at the current government..a coalition..the libdems have an ideal position to effect real change with their casting vote..instead they sold their souls for cabinet seats, reneging on numerous manifesto pledges and actively voting the opposite to what they told their grass root voters before the election, selling them down the river for the proverbial mess of potage.

Think about it..liberal values agreeing with conservative values is an anathema to both, hell the words 'liberal' and 'conservative' are damn near antonyms... yet they go to bed with each other..not for the good of the people..but for the individual power, kudos and company directorships once they leave their political lives!

In this country you cannot form a government unless a political party has a majority, and oddly enough they can manage this with a minority of the vote..the people say no, the system says yes....

You are soooo.. wrong my friend...people are not stupid, they can see the wood despite the trees, they are just flailing around on social media like this forum, howling at the moon because it makes them feel better, but knowing full well that tomorrow will just bring more of the same.

We are supposed to have a parliamentary democracy, where the people really matter and have a voice...I'd argue that we have a feudalistic government, where the nobility (rich or 'in the know') govern for themselves and to hell with everyone else (serfs)...mother of all parliaments my backside! We have a 12th century system in 21st century Britain

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I agree with some of the points you raise G,it's a big boys club an we're not invited.
Half of voters are not represented in this so called "representative democracy".
Tories,Labour,Cons (the ones with a chance of success) only exist to implement the merger of state and corporate powers to further increase the level of power/control they have over your average bod (me and you). ;)

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If you look at our MP's Twitter bio....'whip since 2010'.....worn like a badge of honour.

What a whip actually does is enforce other MP's to vote the way the party wants..OR ELSE!!!!

Or else..you won't progress, no cabinet positions, be sent to coventry, won't get selected at the next election, or other career smashing threats.

For four years, Graham Jones has been coercing freely elected representatives to vote the way Ed Milliband wants them to and this is all perfectly legal under our parliamentary system. In fact he and other whips (of all parties) actively boast about how few rebel votes slip through their spider like mandibles.

Now if you told your colleagues/employees 'vote monster raving loony party or I'll destroy your career..you'd be arrested.

The system actively encourages vote fixing, this is not democracy its feudalism, and it's one of the myriad reasons why 60-80% of people at every single ballot box do not give them a mandate to govern. The people speak at every election by refusing to vote on an undemocratic outcome, the system ignores them.

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Hooray, Hooray.......someone who can actually see this is not a democracy...that the people have no power to influence anything....that the government do not have a mandate because a lot of those who have a vote do not feel confident enough to use it(for whatever reason).

Many years ago I voted, but always felt that I really did not understand the process.....that politics was full of stuff that I didn't understand.
Then I must have grown up or something because I did understand that politics wasn't boring...that it touched every part of my life.
I voted with confidence for the party which was closest to my own core values.
Alas, despite politicians telling me what they believed in before they were elected, it seemed to change radically once they were in power. Power is like that......it makes people lie...say things to the electorate that they do not mean, that they have absolutely no intention of following through on.

I was duped.....more than once. I was disappointed - more than once.
I became suspicious and cynical - and I suspect that many people felt the same.

I am not the kind of person who will follow a party political dogma come hell or high water. I wasn't brought up in a household that voted for one particular party and followed it doggedly, unwilling to listen to what other parties had to say. I think about things. I mull over the messages that the parties send out.

The biggest message that is being sent out right now by all the parties is 'I'm alright Jack - bu88er you'.
It doesn't fill me with any kind of confidence.

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The biggest issues in UK politics should be electoral reform & reform of the House of Lords. Instead we bicker about things that we really have no control over.

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Yes, that and membership of that money sucking corrupt organisation the EU.
The politicians have no idea of the concerns of the electorate and those in the House of Lords are even further removed from reality.

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Really! Maybe you should keep this in mind: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." (Daniel Patrick Moynihan.)

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Maybe the 13th ... around 1215 (I don't know if that is am. or pm.) when the first tory manifesto was adopted.;):D

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i give you owen paterson. not only did he try and fail with an inhuman badger cull to please his hunter toffs he cant manage his department. the tories ,if your a shareholder in a privatized utility here is a endless pit of money to pay your dividend. if your area needs flood defence your knackered. Battered Britain: More wet weather... and there's still no sign of leadership - Nature - Environment - The Independent the tories not fit for purpose

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wrong,.
her contract had ended.
she was complaining as she wanted to keep riding the public sector gravy train.

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I don?t begrudge Bob Crow his holiday but I do mind his strike - Telegraph

Seems that this man is feeling our pain too.
I wonder how many of his RMT members could afford a jaunt like this. Must be nice to be able to get away from all this bad weather bad news etc. etc.

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When you're still living in a council house £145,000/year goes a long way.

Sensible of him to arrange the strike to happen while he's on holiday, it won't affect his travelling.

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So does he qualify for the title 'Champagne Socialist'?.......he certainly doesn't fit the criteria of a working man...well, not the one that I recognise anyway.
It is a bit of a slap in the face for RMT members..they lose money while he lives it up and suns his bum in foreign parts. Great stuff this equality.

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i agree with you:p if he is on £145,000 a year he should not be in a council house .

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Tories colour is blue but their hearts will always be black.

Paul Routledge on Iain Duncan Smith's planned pensioner cuts: Tories' colour is blue but their hearts will always be black - Paul Routledge - Mirror Online

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'The details are fuzzy'. 'The direction of travel is plain'. 'Prime targets are winter fuel allowances,free TV licences, old folks' bus passes'.

That may be Routledges' opinion but can you tell me where and when IDS actually said any of it?

Opinions are one thing but give us the facts.

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Well if he didn't say it Gordon, it seems very easy to me these days to get a retraction/apology,along wi a good few quid compen, or does that fact not occur to yeh?:rolleyes:

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All these people can second guess all they like about what certain politicians will do.
The parties all know that those who are of pension age are the ones who put the cross in the box.....where other sections of society don't bother.
I will worry about what is going to be withdrawn when we have confirmed proof of it.

I get a bit fed up of people thinking that anyone is giving the pensioners something for nothing. I pay for my bus pass with my taxes.....and my winter heating allowance. I get nothing else from the government.

What is more if all the pensioners were paid enough to live on then we could pay our own bus fares. The pension isn't a benefit, I paid my contributions all my working life....I paid taxes all my working life....I still pay tax on my pension.....and if I relied on state pension alone I would have starved to death long before now.
I am just glad I had the presence of mind to make other arrangements for my latter years.

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That's my point, cashman. Routledge didn't say IDH said any of it so nothing to sue over.

He suggested, he pointed, he hinted, he gave his unbiased(?) opinion. No facts, no quotes.
I just want the facts, that's what newspapers are for-to report the facts( even the Mirror).

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there has been proof when asked these questions he has always answered not at the present moment. when im pension aged there will be no state pension in fact i will be 70 or dead thats the way its going.

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Well then why do folks keep bringing up the possibility that these payments will be removed?
It is discussed like it is a foregone conclusion, ah, but then we all know that if a politicians lips are moving he must be lying...so the fact that someone has said 'not at the moment' gives me no great comfort.

It costs less to give us the passes and the heating allowance than it does to give pensioners a pension that they can live off.
Britains pensions are the poorest in Europe.
If you really do feel that you will have no pension by the time you retire then it is up to you to do something about that. I cannot see how they can do away with an entitlement that you have paid for.

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Mr Duncan Smith whose flagship Universal Credit Policy is in chaos, SAID the government was discussing whether to put OAP payments into a wider Whitehall Cap on welfare spending. He revealed yesterday "We need maximum flexibility with the cap. "Pretty much all existing ring fences will have to disappear................ Do yeh not understand that statement Gordon?:rolleyes:

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Yes I think I do, cashman.
That's all I was asking. What did he actually say? I couldn't find it, you have. I don't think Accyexplorer did either.

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Its in front of me in todays Mirror.;)Dunno if its in the link he put on never looked at that. Just had a quick read of internet link posted, Much of whats in the real paper is missing, nowt new wi that.

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The frightening thought is( Margaret will blow a blood vessel at this ) there is no money in the OAP bank, there never was. Our NI, our taxes, were never our savings for our pensions, they paid for the pensions of those already retired and went in the general spending pot. Our pensions are paid for by those still working and those who have enough pension to still pay tax.

So the politicians can(and probably will) say in the future-' There's not enough going into the current account to pay out what you're trying to draw.Tough'.

Cameron said pensions, winter payments, bus passes were ring fenced. Yes but that was 'yesterday'. As Scarlett said 'Tomorrow is another day'. And politicians have short, selective memories.

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That i can agree wi Gordon, nowt is what it seems, The road tax we pay has NEVER all been re-invested in our roads, More cars than ever on our roads, more road tax revenue, WORSE roads than ever.:( Have heard the excuse trotted out "More traffic, more wear @ Tear" feeble but folk fall fer it.:eek:

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Well, however you look at it, there is enough to pay huge sums to despots in foreign countries, there is enough to pay into the corrupt EU, there is enough to give hand outs to India and China, both of whom have burgeoning economies....and space programs.
Priorities need to be got in the right order.
If the tax loopholes were closed, and there was as much diligence tracking down the fat cats to pay their share, then the country would be able to afford to allocate pensions that ensure the pensioner does not need the heating allowance and the bus pass.

I have always preferred to pay my own way anyway......the bus pass ensures that those on limited incomes are not socially isolated(which is a health risk) and it benefits the economy of the places they visit.

I am sure that I heard on the news today that those who,received PPI payments have done more to help the economy because they have spent this money(which they see as a windfall) on goods and services.
More money in the system means more money spent, giving the economy a boost.

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In this country we used drive on the left of the road, now we drive on whats left of the road.

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It`s a common misconception that that road tax (no such thing anymore) pays for the upkeep of roads, it doesn`t, the money from the vehicle exise duty/car tax goes to the treasury and the money can be used wherever is seen fit. Repairs to roads are paid for by all tax payers whether they are road users or not.

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ian duncan smith is a nut job he was found out last time and i cant get over they let him back in the cabinet lol. he is now a dangerous nut job putting peoples lives at risk. he evades the truth and then denies as was proved on the parliament channel . the news channels are now hedge fund channels and suppress the truth the bbc is run by the tory patten. we wont find out till its too late. on another subject,as i predicted its good bye to the tupe . its good bye to thousand jobs on the london tube .

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sorry to say this but i told you so;) Why is government website carrying fake jobs? - Channel 4 News

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You told us so after it had been in all the papers. You make it sound like you are Septic Peg.......have a crystal ball and all the answers, when in truth you just parrot what you have read in some newspaper.
Do you think that we cannot read? Do you think that none of us have the power of critical reasoning?
It would not be so bad if you were evenly scathing in your contempt of political parties...but you just pap on about the same old same old.

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ha ha i told you before it was in any news paper,but if you think its ok for vulnerable people who will be forced to go for these , which could be dangerous for females etc. there are jobs on there that say you have to email they will email you back and you go into a link. these links could be anything. if you dont go for these jobs you are sanctioned for 4 weeks. then 3 months then 3 years they havent told you that in the papers does it?

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Have I got that right?
There are fake jobs on a Government website and if you don't apply for them you lose benefits?

Wow, these condems are playing dirty, cmon. I can understand your disapproval.

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No, you didn't...the day you told us, I had seen it in one of the online newspapers.Where have I said I think it is alright for people to go for these jobs?

The Department of Work and Pensions says it is going to be vetting the jobs to make sure they are genuine...and the company who were making money from advertising bogus jobs have been removed from the website.
They also state that if they find others doing the same thing that there may be criminal prosecutions.

That is the real story C'mon, but then you wouldn't really want to be telling us that would you...it would get in the way of your tory bashing aims.

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i first mentioned it a year and a half ago . dont believe the tory propoganda because iys blatant lies at least if labour told a wee lie they at least tried to cover it up;):p

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I'm sorry, I don't believe you were the first to break this story(I had read it online at least a couple of days before you brought it to our attention).......and if a politicians mouth is moving, it is because he is lying. They are all the same.......they all tell you want they think you want to hear. There is no such thing as democracy......it is like that advert for Yoghurt.......a MYTH!

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sorry but i did and got the usual dont be daft. same as this but the tories deny deny Jobcentre staff under attack - Portsmouth News

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same old labour
Police investigate allegations of electoral fraud | Anglia - ITV News

do they ever change?

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i thought this thread was about the tories;) same old cameron tory government,they dont know what they are doing:p Coalition spends millions sacking and rehiring Government officials - Telegraph

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I can soon change it to be more of a general slagging of politics thread title if people prefer

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Well C'mon, I say that you didn't.(I can't prove it, but I do remember it) So we will have to agree to differ on something else as well now.

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It is about the tories, but you won't hear anything at all about the last government...even though you do tell us that you also criticised them too(but so little that none of us old regulars can remember it - and it isn't because we are old and losing our mental faculties, it is because you did it so infrequently).

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Never recall him doin it at all, even though i recall him being asked to prove he had.:rolleyes:

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Cashy...I haven't quite got the same memory as Rindy had...but I am not so dusty at remembering things...especially the nonsense that C'mon posts......well, most of it is nonsense...some of it might make sense if it was in a readable format - by that I mean punctuated.

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I find his posts totally unmemorable- perhaps it's just me.

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It could be you, I find him to be on a par with a local MP for not understanding the most basic political/community needs, both comment regularly and are memorable for their blind loyalty to party over everything else.
:)

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Nailed it Less.

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well do you find this interesting? a little list of tory donors;)
Donor Total donated Company registration Industry Info Source
(1) National Assembly of the Republic of Armenia; (2) British Ukrainian Society £3,180.00 searchthemoney.com
3DM Research Ltd £30,000.00 searchthemoney.com
4D Biomedical Ltd £1,382.98 4217575 consultancy a specialist venture consulting business working in two main areas: Private Helping entrepreneurs, academics, hospitals, universities, and investors to put together commercially sustainable and financeable new ventures. Public Helping NHS Trusts, Universi searchthemoney.com
A P Watt Literary Agents £3,560.00 Publishing AP Watt, the world's longest-established literary agency searchthemoney.com
A&N Media Finance Services Ltd £800.00 5765286 media A consumer media company searchthemoney.com
A.B. Produce PLC £275,426.96 2240234 Produce A.B. Produce PLC engage in fresh vegetable processing and distribution. Includes the holding company A.B. Produce Trading Limited. searchthemoney.com
AB produce PLC £85,503.00 searchthemoney.com
ABM Holdings Limited £1,500.00 4750965 Finance searchthemoney.com
AC Properties (Acton) Ltd £37,000.00 416203 Property searchthemoney.com
AEGIS Defence Services Limited £117,666.63 searchthemoney.com
AEGIS Defence Services Ltd £145,461.49 4541965 Defense A British private military company with overseas offices in Afghanistan, Bahrain, Iraq, Kenya, Nepal and the United States searchthemoney.com
AEI World Forum £1,235.12 searchthemoney.com
AFC Energy PLC £98,470.00 5668788 Fuel Cell AFC Energy is the world’s leading developer of low‐cost alkaline fuel cell technology. Focused on large‐scale, industrial application AFC Energy’s technology is fully‐scalable to provide clean electricity on‐demand. Contract with Centrica from Jan 201 searchthemoney.com
AFCLAA £4,699.26 Legal Armed Forces Criminal Legal Aid Authority searchthemoney.com
AGCP LTD £30,000.00 4811765 Retail: Fashion Based in Bromley searchthemoney.com
AMEC £900.00 1675285 Consultancy AMEC is a focused supplier of consultancy, engineering and project management services to its customers in the world’s oil and gas, minerals and metals, clean energy, environment and infrastructure markets. searchthemoney.com
AMEC Investments Limited £2,000.00 3131198 Now called: SEMPERIAN PPP HOLDINGS LIMITED ST.MARTINS HOUSE 1 GRESHAM STREET LONDON UNITED KINGDOM EC2V 7BX Previous Names: Date of change Previous Name 02/02/2009 TRILLIUM PPP HOLDINGS LIMITED 28/01/2008 AMEC INVESTMENTS LIMITED 19/10/1999 AMEC SPARECO ( searchthemoney.com
AMG Production Ltd £15,000.00 4648292 Management Consultancy registered address different to one on register: ASHCOMBE HOUSE 5 THE CRESCENT, LEATHERHEAD SURREY KT22 8DY searchthemoney.com
APPG on Population development and reproductive health £1,500.00 searchthemoney.com
ASDA Stores Limited £13,000.00 464777 retail, supermarket searchthemoney.com
ASHS Ltd £5,500.00 3142746 Retail Trading as Anya Hindmarch. Designer handbags. searchthemoney.com
AVIVA £710.00 2468686 Insurance searchthemoney.com
Abbey Business Centres Ltd £1,140,387.10 SC184779 Estate Management Currently registered as ABC Business Limited. searchthemoney.com
Abdool R Ebrahimkhan £15,125.00 healthcare searchthemoney.com
Abdul Karim £1,374.27 searchthemoney.com
Abdul Rasak £1,400.00 searchthemoney.com
Abdul‐Majid Jafar £165,000.00 Oil Director of Crescent Petroleum Group a privately owned oil and gas company based in the United Arab Emirates and Vice‐chairman of Crescent Group. searchthemoney.com
Abduladem El Mayet £318,000.00 financial services searchthemoney.com
Abercombie and Kent Egypt £2,500.00 searchthemoney.com
Aberdeen Asset Management

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i was going to stick the lot on but it exceeds 100 kb limit:p
Allpay Limited £5,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Alok Oberoi £29,000.00 Finance Worked for Goldman Sachs and was chief operating officer of the firm’s global private client services in New York. Partner in ACPI formed in 2009 by the merger of ACP Partners LLP and TriAlpha Investment Advisors Ltd. searchthemoney.com
Alphalarch Limited £5,000.00 3406846 real estate searchthemoney.com
Alta Advisers Ltd £5,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Altitude Broadcasting and Corporate Studios Ltd £44,249.00 7428745 Television dissolved as of 08 Jan 12 searchthemoney.com
Alwyn CL De Souza £2,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Aly Aziz £1,500.00 searchthemoney.com
Amanda Pullinger £20,000.00 Finance Recently set up Pullinger Management LLC to provide strategic management primarily to not for profit organisations. Executive director of the charity Women in Hedge Funds (based primarily in the US) since 2006. searchthemoney.com
Amanda S Moores £2,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Amanda Shaw £7,515.00 searchthemoney.com
Ambriel Consulting £10,500.00 4294272 software consultancy searchthemoney.com
Amelia J Winter £8,000.00 searchthemoney.com
American Enterprise Institute £10,503.48 politics AEI is a private, nonpartisan, not‐for‐profit institution dedicated to research and education on issues of government, politics, economics and social welfare. Founded in 1943, AEI is home to some of America's most accomplished public policy experts. searchthemoney.com
American Friends of Bilderberg £500.52 Politics searchthemoney.com
American Institute for Foreign Study (UK) Ltd £200.00 searchthemoney.com
American Institute for Foreign Study and International Enrichment £450.00 education Founded in 1964, the American Institute For Foreign Study (AIFS) is one of the oldest, largest and most respected cultural exchange organizations in the world. With global offices in 15 countries, we organize cultural exchange programs for more than 50,00 searchthemoney.com
American International University £6,383.77 in London searchthemoney.com
American International University in London £338.40 searchthemoney.com
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) £1,500.00 Lobbying Self‐identifies as 'America's pro‐Israel lobby', working to strengthen relations between the United States and Israel. searchthemoney.com
Amjad Chowdhary £32,400.00 searchthemoney.com
Andrea Leadsom £8,500.00 Politics Conservative MP for South Northamptonshire searchthemoney.com
Andreas Evans £35,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Andreas Heeschen £86,643.68 arms Owns the firearms manufacturer Heckler & Koch. searchthemoney.com
Andrew Brannon £335,500.00 insurance Of insurance consultancy Charles Taylor Consulting. searchthemoney.com
Andrew Bridgen £24,850.00 Politics Conservative MP for North West Leicestershire since May 2010 searchthemoney.com
Andrew C Green £92,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Andrew Charalambous £3,520.00 Politics UKIP's housing spokesman searchthemoney.com
Andrew Cook £96,100.00 Chairman of William Cook Holdings Ltd. searchthemoney.com
Andrew E Law £440,250.00 hedge fund Chairman of Caxton Associates based in New York. searchthemoney.com
Andrew E Lawson £10,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Andrew G Stephenson

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surprise surprise lol the daily torygraph and the daily star david cameron campaign mmmmmmmmm Daily Express £4,775.00 529175 searchthemoney.com
Daily Mail £17,350.00 84121 Newspaper Owned by Associated Newspapers which is a subsidiary of Daily Mail Group Trust searchthemoney.com
Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday £1,650.00 searchthemoney.com
Daily Mirror £2,050.00 166810 Newspapers searchthemoney.com
Daily Mirror and Sunday Mirror £350.00 searchthemoney.com
Daily Star £200.00 Media Home | Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week searchthemoney.com
Daily Telegraph £6,508.00 451593 Newspaper Owned by David and Frederick Barclay searchthemoney.com
Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph £510.00 searchthemoney.com
Dairin N Garnier £1,150.00 1047013 Property Director Cranmer Courts (chelsea) Tennants Limited searchthemoney.com
Dale Purcocks £2,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Dale Smith £1,004.82 searchthemoney.com
Damon P De Laszlo £7,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Daniel Thwaites Plc £4,500.00 51702 Alcohol Manufacturers of beer searchthemoney.com
Daphne White £1,500.00 searchthemoney.com
Darren Baker Fine Arts Ltd £50,000.00 5004420 art searchthemoney.com
Dartford Borough Council Conservative Group £3,000.00 association searchthemoney.com
Dashwood Finance Co Ltd £20,000.00 693394 Finance searchthemoney.com
Dave Hancock £5,000.00 searchthemoney.com
Daventry District Council Conservative

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why would a gp surgery donate to the tories. is this not classed as state aid:confused: no its from the private medical firm say goodbye to the nhs
Friedrich Ebert Foundation (FES); (2) European Leadership Network (ELN) £2,429.67 http://searchthemoney.com/associate/4935
Friedrich Ebert foundation £4,553.10 Politics http://www.fesdc.org/ http://searchthemoney.com/associate/4118
Friends of the Vale Conservatives £8,796.00 http://searchthemoney.com/associate/2340
Frithsden Construction £3,333.00 5799073 Construction http://searchthemoney.com/associate/2337
Frys Properties Ltd £7,000.00 523416 Property http://searchthemoney.com/associate/3190
Furniture Village Ltd £15,000.00 2307708 retail Retail of furniture, lighting and other similar goods. http://searchthemoney.com/associate/3839
Future Pipe Ltd £100,000.00 3293208 Retail Supplies large diameter fiberglass pipe systems worldwide for the oil and gas industries. http://searchthemoney.com/associate/3198
G E Sturdy & Son £15,772.35 farming http://searchthemoney.com/associate/161
GA Pindar & Son Ltd £25,000.00 4049083 Printing Printing and publishing firm based in Scaborough. A subsidiary of York Mailing Group. http://searchthemoney.com/associate/3615
GCH Capital Ltd £23,000.00 7200539 investment Holding company. http://searchthemoney.com/associate/3285
GFI Holdings Ltd £108,000.00 3405222 brokering Provides inter‐dealing brokering services. http://searchthemoney.com/associate/3711
GLOBE International £13,168.90 Environment GLOBE International was founded in 1989 by legislators from the US Congress, European Parliament, Japanese Diet and the Russian State Duma with the mission to respond to urgent environmental challenges by coordinating national policy measures and through http://searchthemoney.com/associate/166
GLP £3,945.00 legal ID 307015 http://searchthemoney.com/associate/2700
GP Surgery, Emmer Green £1,571.50 Medicine http://searchthemoney.com/associate/2767
GP Surgery, Farnham Road £45,471.50 Medicine http://searchthemoney.com/associate/412
GP Surgery, Farnham Road, Berkshire

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No.

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We don't know if it is interesting or not...neither do we know if it represents true facts...and neither do you.
I would bet my hide that you haven't read many(if any) of those links you have put up.
You do this again and again to confound the issues. This is not intelligent posting, it is not even remotely interesting posting.
If I were the owner of this site I would bill you for the server space you have so thoughtlessly used!

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I am tempted to break forum rules and call you an ar$e...but an ar$e has some usefulness.
So you don't even meet those criteria.

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Stupid is as Stupid does.:rolleyes:Anyone wi a grain of sense,is well aware figures can be provided to consolidate any point of view, so those who set great store by em need to "Get A Life"!!

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Cashy, as always you are right. You can't put sense where there isn't any.
C'mon doesn't see that these posts take everything away from any post he makes that has even the merest of interest in it.

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Well have told him n told him to no avail, in general people DO NOT read whatever he posts, n hes doin the party he reckons to support, more harm than good, (I am coming to the conclusion, no-one can be that stupid?) so am coming to conclusion he may be a closet Tory.

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so we have a thread about the tories. i give information about the tories and im an ass lol why post on the thread if your not interested about the tories:D i dont get other governments donating to the tory party:confused: Government of Azad Kashmir £1,320.00 Goverment searchthemoney.com
Government of Georgia £4,368.95 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of Japan £5,600.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of Kuwait £1,700.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of Mauritius (State Law Office) £65,000.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of Oman £10,500.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of Pakistan £3,369.91 Politics High Commission of Pakistan, 36 Lowndes Square, London SW1X 9JN searchthemoney.com
Government of Republic of China (Taiwan) £5,595.00 searchthemoney.com
Government of Sri Lanka £3,200.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of Taiwan £6,520.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of Tunisia £3,814.10 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of the Republic of Turkey £3,625.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of the UAE £21,000.00 Government searchthemoney.com
Government of the United Arab Emirates these figures are 100% accurate

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Just shows how popular and widely admired they are!

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You really don't get it. And I didn't call you an ass...an Ass is a donkey.....I called you something else.
You do not balance your arguments, because you are not able to balance your arguments...you do not discuss.....you rely on cut and paste.

The cut and paste you rely on often give a totally different picture to the one you would want us to believe. Mainly because you want to grab attention by using sensationalist headlines, which mean nothing.

All this crap you have posted is supposed to prove what exactly?
We will never know because you do not tell us what your own opinion is...and when you do tell us it is in such an unreadable form that it is worthless anyway.

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He is in the Country for a few days, now if we can just get Roy out of the pub and sobered up enough to operate a keyboard, AccyWebs future could be secure for many years to come from C'mons financial input.
:)