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they are going to some lengths to hide the truth . so much for a free press and internet trying to hide their lies lol:D The pre-election pledges that the Tories are trying to wipe from the internet by time you try and read this the tories have probably wiped it from the internet lol

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Lots of people are posting them on facebook, to make sure they can still be found. The power of the internet...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

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Cameron: 'No Cuts To Frontline Spending' the lies they tried to hide.

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another u-turn i take it william hague does not want to arm the syrian rebels. i think our ed saved us from more strife;) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24997876

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george osborne is a hypocrite ha ha inquiry into co-op trying to pick cheap political points https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pmXpU0_Cs4#t=330 Disgraced Co-op Bank chair Paul Flowers hosted reception at Tory party conference | UK | News | Daily Express you couldnt make it up lol:D:D:D:D

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Same ol' same ol' C'mon! Decrying & finger pointing with any means possible - Loans to MP's, Drugs buying & usage, rent boys, getting into jobs through cronyism & funny handshakes, inappropriate adult material on a works laptop, donations to party funds!!! :eek: Shocking!! Disgusting Tories ..... Oh er, hang on a minute, Paul Flowers, your latest gem, disgraced EX-LABOUR councillor? Board member for a drug (while not averse to the odd snort himself) Charity? And his latest incarnation, Incompetent Bankster?

All you despise C'mon & he's one of yours! :rolleyes: Oh the sweet irony of it! :)

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There's no so blind as them who don't want to see Dave:rolleyes:

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Not so much blind Jay, more selective viewing, he tends to see only what he wants to see. :unsure8:

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Dipsticks are incapable of seeing anything unless they are an endoscope:rolleyes:

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Nope as soon as you put it out there, someone somewhere uses their little spiders to gather the information, even if it's a C'mon peace head moment, it won't be lost.

I bet the party you ruin the reputation of wish they'd tried it first though.

:D

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same again david cameron says sri lanka has human right issues. yes what happens the weapons firms which are shadowing david cameron David Cameron challenged to justify arms sale to Sri Lanka | World news | The Guardian

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you dont get it;)

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Apparently neither do you;)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pu7w0LXkzM apparantley there is no money;)

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Really? So being the brain of Britain you're going to enlighten me then? This I can't wait for! :) Preferably in your own words please (not forgetting, correct use of capitals, punctuation & spacing ...... am I asking to much here? ;)). Failing that, you'll just ignore my request & cut & paste some other guff which you think furthers your cause, ah well, "Cess Lavvie!" :D

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I am sure your command of German is better than your French:p:D

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I just wondered,Have we only sold arms to em recently.?:rolleyes: Was Labour not doing?:rolleyes:

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2006 to 2009- Britain sold £13.6 million of military equipment to the Sri Lankan government while the Tamil war was on.
Our government at the time?- ask cmon.

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I know Gordon,once again he shot himself in the foot.:D

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nope arms agreement signed last week .the usual suspects in toe with cameron;) another tory tax dodger Warwickshire Tory MP used firm in tax haven to buy his £1m home - Birmingham Mail. the last government wasnt perfect but raised the standard of living fact;)

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Yer really are unreal Cmon, you highlighted the arms supply, not the standard of living, i have told yeh before many times, yeh do more harm than good to the Labour Party n yer too numb to see it.:rolleyes:

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Oh Cointreau, mong cherry! ;) :D

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i was just staing everything cameron says he is doing the opposite. ive actually got an open mind about the sale of the 1990s student loan debt.;) http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...abmdzXlJuag4A0

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Nicked verse stain:confused:

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Yes.

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Sometimes tories get things right ... not often, it is true, but sometimes. Our Feds are refusing to go along with the Iran deal, which is nothing more than an opportunity for the Obama administration to look good, and to avoid a conflict they know they can't win. The major European powers lined up to kiss US ass on this one; but the government of Canada is standing by its ally, Israel, in demanding that more than comforting words come from Tehran. Essentially, the Iranians are offering promises to be good in return for real concessions (anything measured in billions of dollars is real) from the West.

Of course, commentators in the West are critical of Israel's hard line stance, conveniently forgetting that as recently as a few months ago Iran's foreign policy was centered on wiping Israel off the face of the earth.

However, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote tory.:alright:

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Same here Eric though different Party, because Labour NEVER get anything right:D

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Nice play on words there, bud;):D And it seems like New Labor doesn't get anything "left" either. Altho' for some reason, C'mon sees them as the Great Red Hope:rolleyes:

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As I said before Eric, theres none so blind as those who don't want to see;)

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They're all "one and the same" . . just playing games with all of us . . I'm sorry to say. All the world's a stage., as was earlier written, and no stage ( or actor ) greater than exhibited in our Houses of Commons and Lords. Good to know!

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In 2002, at a reception in Hampshire, Margaret Thatcher was asked what she considered her greatest achievement. She replied: “Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds.” :D:D

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tick tock the clocks ticking

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what the tories are doing with the fire service now is nothing short of a crime. there is at least 5 hundred firefighters getting their books 100 hundred fire stations closing , they are treating firefighters with contempt by changing the goalposts in pensions pay and conditions. which will eventually lead to unnecessary deaths . tories hang your head in shame. plus the news blackout just shows how much this government influences the main news outlets in this country.

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tax dodgers to the core Margaret Thatcher tax shock: £12m mansion where she saw out her days registered in TAX HAVEN - Mirror Online

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i knew there was a tory link to sri lanka it was finding it BBC News - Liam Fox friend 'funded by private intelligence firm'

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now there is no money, the unemployed and poor get victimised and george osborne spends ten miilion of taxpayers money George Osborne spends £10m of taxpayers cash on swanky new 'Big Brother' Treasury revamp - Mirror Online

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"Father McKenzie...writing the words of a sermon that no one will hear...no one comes near..." ;)

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Such a lonely sad person Wyn

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ohh the daily telegraph questioning the figures i know you know everybody knows george osborne hasnt told the truth about the economy the autumn budget Osborne 'used questionable statistics' to back up claim households are better off - Telegraph

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I wish the Mods would set up a separate forum for the resident DS to continue with his ridiculous C & P diatribes, then we could all ignore him not having him intrude into relevant and (sometime), intelligent threads.

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Labours energy price freeze gimmick to win votes - branded unwise
Even the guardian agrees!
Labour's energy price cap unwise, says OECD chief | Business | The Guardian

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good then the shares would drop and the government could buy them and renationalise this is not a bad thing;) anyway the truth is out the deficit deceit;) Ramesh Patel: Finally! Exposed! The Deficit Myth! So, David Cameron When Are You Going to Apologise?

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ids getting ripped lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqJoGMKIJQw

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Same old labour with the unions running the party
BBC News - Unite trade union urges Labour not to dilute its voting strength

ed miliband pretending to be tough, he must think the British electorate are stupid and we don't remember he was elected not by the general labour party members but by the union thugs and their block vote.

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:D And in the case of some folk, he'd be right! ;)

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As our resident DS proves with every post he puts on here:rolleyes:

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Oh you are awful, but I like you Barrie:D

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What the hell is a "resident DS":confused:

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i would rather trust the unions who gave you workers rights rather than the multi nationals who are bleeding the country dry. some people are politically inept.

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I can only assume "Dip Stick" Eric.:D

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That did cross my mind:D ... I'm glad it wasn't "democratic socialist", 'cause from the way he tries to get his point across, he gives socialism a bad name. And I've been a socialist all my life ... well, after I had mastered sitting on the flush.;)

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The same unions that bled the country dry when they had power (winter of discontent)?
The same unions who's leaders and exec earn 3 figure salaries but criticise everyone else for earning more than their member?

Unions are the biggest hypocrites around.

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Said it before...Cmon has his heart in the right place...he just sets himself up by jumping from argument to argument without engaging in meaningful debate about any of them.

Thing is the Tories are making so many basic errors on humanism, education, health, taxes, economic policy, foreign policy and what the man in the street actually wants, that Cmon is like a kid in a sweetshop let loose with his dads goldcard. He is spoilt for choice.

Surely not even the most diehard tory can defend the following (which will be buried in tomorrows press amongst the latest Strictly/Xfactor gossip)....

Diary of a Benefit Scrounger: Breaking News : Government Reviewer Opposed Rollout of ESA

And just a smidgeon of the results of this particular policy..

Former soldier had his benefits cut after he volunteered to sell poppies because Jobcentre staff said he wasn't 'actively seeking work' | Mail Online

Disabled man ?crushed by financial pressure? found dead at Atherton home after his benefits were stopped | Black Triangle Campaign

Sneinton man overdoses after benefits stopped | Nottingham Post

For the TLDR xbox generation amongst you...evidence that the current government lied (yet again) in parliament no less, and evidence of the deaths that followed.

Bear in mind that they are currently in the process of deciding whether to accept an 11% increase in wages, whilst they screw us even more into the ground...the 11% per week that they accept boils down to around 4x what your average jobseeker gets per week....(remember this is a pay RISE of 4x a jobseekers subsistence allowance, i.e the amount the government deems you need to survive). Fair play to our Graham who has agreed that a payrise for MP's at this time is obnoxious! (and before anyone accuses me of being a lickspittle, I'm one of his biggest critics)

There is an online petition that currently has around 300,000 signatures slamming this pay rise, but the government claims that because its an independent review that says they should get it, they probably will...well for those of you who read the blog above, we all know how this government interprets reviews. :mad:

Frankly the only DS here, are the ones that bury their heads, the i'm alright jacks and the thatcherite cybermen!

Oh and for those living in the past citing unions that held the country to ransom...bah! what about the tories who sent 7 year old kids up chimneys! Using the past is a stupid argument!

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Any prize off the top shelf Cashy - you got it in one:D

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Do Union leaders forego their salaries when they call their members out on strike?:rolleyes:

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Think yourself lucky. The preferred candidate of the union I was a member of at the time was Diane Abbott.

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No:rolleyes:

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Just put you straight on one thing they are not debating (all MPs about an 11% pay rise) they have no say and no way in refusing it as it was out sourced on their own behest to an outside body. Just one question Guinness do you think a Union Leader who has said he is hell bent on bringing this country to its knees is worth £165,000 a year:rolleyes:

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And do business leaders forgo their salaries when they move jobs to Bangladesh where folks are just dying to work ... and dying in even larger numbers while they are at work? And is it worth while mentioning bonuses for screwing up, and cozy little tax shelters to avoid paying their fair share of taxes?:rolleyes:

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This is true ... I just wish he would put his beliefs a little more cogently. But, whatever, he certainly doesn't deserve the infantile, ad hominem comments flung at him from the right.

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So all chimney sweeps were Tories? I never knew that.
I'll bet cmon won't have his chimney swept again!

QUOTE=Eric;1087243] And is it worth while mentioning bonuses for screwing up, and cozy little tax shelters to avoid paying their fair share of taxes?:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is .
It doesn't matter which side of the fence they're on, if there's a trough on their side they'll get their noses in it.

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Being fair, Eric, cmon isn't above giving a tu quoque response.

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And to be fair, I've been guilty of sharp comments where he is concerned ... maybe it would be better if I say quietly, and to myself, "I just wish he hadn't posted that way." It's still a free country, and, still trying to be fair, he has a right to his opinion.

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If we're being fair, I think cmon is seen with a certain amount of affection by a lot of people on Accyweb. He'd certainly be missed if he didn't come on and he deserves 10 out of 10 for his enthusiasm, (even if he is usually wrong). Given a lot less flak than he gets a few other people have dropped off Accyweb.
And he certainly digs deep- he knew a lot more about the Post Office sale than I did! As you say, if only he would put his opinions/arguments better.
All right, he's red hot Labour- we all have our faults!
And if he reads this- don't blush, you're Red enough.

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If the minimum pay revue was outsourced to an outside body, and if they recommended an 50% pay rise, do you think the government at the time who are in power would agree with it and because it cannot be refused, would they ensure that it was implemented

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Nope, nor do I think that a premier league footballer is worth more a month than Obama gets in a year. I fail to see what that has to do with this government killing off the sick and disabled whilst about to receive a rise that is 4x what they reckon a person needs to survive for a week

'This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put' W.S.Churchill :p

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How dare you suggest I'm a pedantryophile!

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Perhaps affection isn't quite the right term, say more, a wry inevitability! It's a bit like having a hole in your tooth, you can't help but keep sticking your tongue in it out of curiosity & of course, you know it'll lead to discomfort but it certainly don't stop you from prodding it occasionally! ;)

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Hey! wasn't me.. it was that chap Churchill ;)

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He's the Alan Richman of Accyweb- the man you love to hate!


Well, we can ignore him- he was a Tory!

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Know what you mean, bud. Even at 68, I'm not averse to an occasional bit of prodding myself.:alright: Wonder what 69 will bring:alright:

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Er ..... A stiff neck & some organic dental floss? :idunno: :D

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Don't tempt me ... a sawbuck to the first person who guesses where my thoughts were leading;)

But ... back on topic sort of ... all political ideologies need criticizing. Even more than is provided by Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition ... we have it too:D. Although, in politics, I do believe that all parties conspire, whether they realize it or not, to maintain the comfortable status quo, the fiction of democracy. The thing is, ordinary folks tend to get a more rigorous screwing from the tories than they do from the center or the center-left. That's as far as it seems to go these days. There is no Left left:rolleyes: A true party of the left ... please don't mention the Soviets; they were as left as Al Tilly, the bum ... would make such radical changes that politicians' phoney baloney jobs and bottomless expense accounts would be on the line. The the whole bunch of them are rotten, but there are degrees of rottenness. And the tories are the worst of a real bad bunch.

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I hope it brings you a happy life, kind weather, good food, abotle of something you like and the soft furry critters to snuggle up to...they are far more reliable than humans:).

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Are you suggesting he goes out looking for a beaver? They are supposed to be very comforting, but rumour has it they smell a little when wet.

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No Less, I am not suggesting anything. It is all in your head :)

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this is what you dont see on the main news. UK Deficit At £185 Billion, Not £90 Billion As George Osborne Says, Warn MPs

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Food banks debate video: Iain Duncan Smith walks out of commons as Tories laugh at stories of starving families - Mirror Online so sad people still support and believe the lies :(

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They don't believe em cmon, they know they are true, they just dont care.

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Well they've announced a cut to the county council budget yet again for the third year running, we are so used to it that it barely warrants a story in the local press let alone the nationals. They've refused an increase in poll tax again so that they can print it on election leaflets, ignoring of course that this means that the council cannot get any revenue from the local populace to help pay to maintain local services at the current level..

Expect the elderly and disabled who need support roaming the street in delerium or worse still dying alone without heat or food, expect all social and health services and councillors getting the blame when something goes seriously wrong..because according to central government, there are 'no cuts to frontline services'.

Its true, there aren't....BUT..when you strip away the support services by forcing the council to reduce funding, the frontline has to pick up the slack, and when the frontline doesn't have the tools or resources, it implodes!

Is there really anyone out there who still believes that the tories are even maintaining a pretence of looking out for the welfare of its people?

I didn't vote for cuts like this, nor did Cameron and Co. say they were going to do this when they were electioneering. There is no such thing as democracy in this country...although we do have a few feudal lords who pop into the house of lords for 20 minutes or so to pick up their £300 daily expenses.

What we have is more like the 2000 year old Roman forums, a few wealthy senators deciding on the best way to profit or progress their careers whilst pleasing the populace using their version of 'Strictly Xfactor in the Jungle'...and we all know what happened to that particular empire!

Where the hell are the Vandals and Visigoths when you need them? :mad:

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cmon the Visigoth- conjures up a good mental picture.

Or how about Balls the Vandal?

Send for one or both of them.I'm sure they have the solution.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, Guinness. It's hard to see where this will all end up and as none of them are better than the others we don't have much democratic choice.

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they are in the queue for the food bank i am still waiting for the explanation of the 30% rise in deaths of pensioners and unemployed. the rise of the zero hour contract which is sending so called employed people to the food banks. the 30% rise in muggings and robberies :confused: we havent even seen most of the consequences of these cuts as its not in the hedge fund newscasters remit. we are now creating a very angry underclass.

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Can't rely on anyone these days, can you?;)


C.P. Cavafy - Poems - The Canon

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Wow.....just wow!

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Indeed, though I think it's a little better when read in the original Greek.
;)

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In this day and age no one should have to be cold, hungry or homeless at Christmas.

Yet half a million fellow Britons are now relying on food banks to feed themselves and their children.

Christmas is a time of forgiveness but I will never forgive those Tory MPs who thought it hilarious that people have ended up in fights over cheap food.

That’s right.

According to my colleague Fiona McTaggart, extra security guards have been hired by Tesco to deal with the fights when the fresh veg is discounted at the end of the day.

When she raised it in the House yesterday, people were laughing.

These Tories think it is funny.

This year I heard a child describe what it feels like to be hungry.

She told of the sensation in her tummy when the hunger pains begin and the light-headed feeling that makes it hard to think.

It’s hard to imagine being so poor that you can’t feed your children. It’s repellent and it offends our sense of decency.

And those scoffing Tories laugh.

There’s something very wrong with our country.

When a banker makes a profit, the company is generally able to pinpoint the individual responsible with a reward bonus.

Yet when a bank goes under, costing the taxpayer trillions and leaving a million young people without work, what happens? You can’t find anyone responsible. They've run to their hillside villas never to be seen again.

Nearly one in five of my constituents in work earn less than the living wage.

And they work some of the longest hours of any other region in the country.

They work hard but they don’t earn enough to pay their bills at the end of the month.

And these Tories think it’s funny that people fight for cheap food.

It doesn’t have to be this way.

We could live in a country where success is based on ability not privilege.

We could be a nation that values kindness and fair play.

We could own the great assets of the state: the water that falls from the sky and the railways that our taxes have paid for.

We could live in a society that rewards entrepreneurs that make things rather than the speculators that move their assets around the City.

Our people could think the energy and rail companies act in their interest again, rather than the personal interest of the fat cats that run them.

They could trust their politicians and newspapers.

They could be happy in the knowledge that their children will have a better start in life than they did.

What a Christmas present to Britain that would be.

You’ve got a snowman’s chance in hell of it happening with this mob in government.

Do you think the MPs who laugh at the poor who fight for food will achieve any of this?

Of course they won’t. They’re playing at politics, even when our children suffer hunger.

tom watson labour mp

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More of your copy & paste, it was only at the end we found who you quoted.

I agree with the sentiments in that post, but not with the way it's shown by you.
:(

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i put who quoted it :confused: dont spoil a good piece ;)

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I don't like Tom Watson, he appears to out for whatever he can get for himself

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Too many words ... "politician" would have said it all.;)

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i like tom watson he brought out a lot of truths;)

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More like he was upset because he was caught out cheating in more than one way and brought out instead of him coming out

I heard an alleged story about him and how the outed him but couldn't possibly repeat it, he can afford better lawyers than me.

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some of them are back stabbers

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BBC News - Apollo Theatre collapse fire crews set to be axed they dont even care:(

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And your point is? Reading through various reports, this one included, it has been stated that, 25 Ambulances & crews plus an air ambulance, 8 fire engines & over 50 fire fighters from at least 3 stations, plus hundreds of police officers, attended. All this, to an incident in a venue that holds a maximum of 755 people. Even being generous & taking into account the acting contingent & functionaries who run the theatre, doesn't the response seem a little excessive?

Since so many assets were available for deployment to this one "minor" incident, on a Thursday evening, last week before Christmas (a notably very busy time) & in the Capital itself, doesn't this not then suggest there may just be a surplus of certain agencies & that some judicious thinning is both feasible & inevitable?

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The responce by the Fire Brgde is made by the first Fire Officer on the scene, and from experience that would have been makes pumps 6, HP & ET required, they would then have all the nescessaary Fire Fighing & rescue equipment available at the scene for any contingency, how would they know there would be no flames, better to have the gear ready, than have the delay of ordering it later, and some of those appliances could have come from a few miles away, you would soon change your mind if flames were licking your arse.

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As far as the fire service response Retlaw I'd be inclined to note your opinion being as you're an old timer. But since your active days there's been many & varied technological & efficiency changes, added to that as you state they may come from various stations & according to the report that was the case.

All that aside the rest of the emergency services were also present in vast numbers & as such it seems to me personally that the response was excessive given the incident in question.

Still all of the above is largely irrelevant in that C'mon was appropriating this article in another one of his efforts at Tory bashing! Don't get me wrong, if people (Politicians) screw things up they're rightly deserving of scorn & upbraiding, but with C'mon it's incessantly sniping at all things Tory. I'm pretty sure that out there in the big bad World there's some pretty monumental screw ups perpetrated by libdumbs & even his beloved Liebor, but they don't come in for the bile & invective "Our man in the North" ceaselessly spouts! Balance in all things would be nice.

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your talking rubbish, the population of revellers , theatre goers , shop workers and traffic in that area was in excess of 30,000 people london has a population of 7 million people .efficiency and technology wouldnt work ie if this was a bomb which london is on high alert for. i go through that area regularly as i am in london frequently . you have no clue about london even if it was labour doing this i would criticise . this is like turkeys praying for christmas as tory mps frequent this area frequently .

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Really C'mon? Which article did you highlight hmmm? This I believe - BBC News - Apollo Theatre collapse fire crews set to be axed

So using your C&P as my starting point, I formulated my response, looking further, seeking facts, something you seldom do. I must admit to making a mistake, I read in one of the articles I viewed that the capacity was "755", this being my mistake, I should've looked further, like here - Apollo Theatre London Seating Plan and Seat Tips

It appears the capacity is actually 775, so I stand corrected. But, as for your comment of talking rubbish, I'd strongly disagree. If you were more precise in your accusations & allegations, I'd be more inclined to give your rantings credence, unfortunately I don't see any evidence for this, so you'll excuse me if I continue to debunk & disdain your "arguments".