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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1059070)

Didn't they give the poor sods who aint of good health sickness benefit.

And Still getting it

actually labour created wealth for the small businessman to make money.the tories use monetarism ie create unemployment to keep inflation down . how does that benefit the working class.

Labour gave us plenty of things cash:

1) the greatest recession in our lifetimes
2) the lack of regulation that directly caused the banking collapse
3) a bill of hundreds of billions to prop what's left of the banking system up
4) a trillion dollar national debt
5) no gold reserves. Gordon thought the price was right when he sold all ours for $300 an ounce

Remind me what they did that was good for the country? Or even the working class if you want to narrow the discussion to just one group.

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Originally Posted by GEaston (Post 1059089)

You forgot the other legacy - Iraq:mad:

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1059098)

You forgot the other legacy - Iraq:mad:

Oh come on Barrie we were about to be attacked by Saddam, allegedly:rolleyes:

so labour gave us the recession they must have been pretty special to bring half the world down with them.the lack of regulation was installed by the tories in the eighties the great big lie we owed less when labour left than we did when they got to power. thats why they were voted into power as unemployment was at 3 million thats why its went quiet on that front. weve always owed trillions read the facts. thats why we had a bail out in the seventies.labour did mistakes by not reversing the privatisation of public services.they eradicated most poverty now the tories are creating it.

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1059211)

:thankya:Not even Gordon Brown believes that guff, but don't worry the men in white coats will be there shortly, until they get there just sit in a corner quietly and read the Beano or the Dandy there's a good lad and don't play with anything sharp you'll hurt yourself ;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1059211)

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059216)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vQPa2bHpYL...pot_kettle.jpg
New AccyWeb game of
'Spot the difference'

so why is there 7 million extra cars on the road.how come everybody could afford sky.how come they could afford the 40 inch tvs. thats what you call raising the standard of living .;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1059273)

so why is there 7 million extra cars on the road.how come everybody could afford sky.how come they could afford the 40 inch tvs. thats what you call raising the standard of living .;)

All paid for by someone else. Where is the incentive to work if you can get all that while not working as some do?

unemployment has always been less under labour as they dont use monetarism ie creating unemployment to keep inflation down.my manifesto is coming along fine should be a couple of weeks now;)
:D:D:D:D

;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1059284)

unemployment has always been less under labour as they don't use monetarism ie creating unemployment to keep inflation down.my manifesto is coming along fine should be a couple of weeks now
:D:D:D:D

Will that be in English or your usual gobbledygook

ha ha i was thinking how party policies and ideology has changed. in the 70s the left were voting and against the European parliament and the tories were all for it .

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1059295)

ha ha i was thinking how party policies and ideology has changed. in the 70s the left were voting and against the European parliament and the tories were all for it .

In the seventies it wasn't the European Union it was the Common Market instigated to ease trading, its an all different shooting match now, Europe wants to control everything we do, which if allowed to carry on in that vein would render our Parliamentary democracy useless.

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059296)

So are yeh saying it aint useless now?:confused: Cos i gotta disagree.

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1059300)

So are yeh saying it aint useless now?:confused: Cos i gotta disagree.

Totally bloody useless cashy I'm definitely one of the out brigade, when it was the Common Market it was fine but as the united states of Europe its a mitigated disaster, yet our politicians can't see it, mainly because there are so many places on the gravy train when they get rumbled and kicked into touch over here.;)

Stan - the Tories isn't create the financial regulatory system that failed so spectacularly. That was the first act of new labour, to take regulation away from the Bank of England. FSA was failed Labour ideology.

Bank of England had previously done a good job. They rescued the banking system in the 1970s and dodgy players like BCCI were shut down. BCCI wasn't London HQ so it was a balsy move to act against it. It was a fraud, (subsequently proved to be o) BoE knew it and shut it down.

BoE back in charge of Banking Supervision which is a good thing.

i agree with jaysay there. the fsa was too open to outside influence. in theory it should have worked but too many bankers were involved;)

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1059481)

I wonder if there's any of these 'Swivel eyed loons' on Accyweb?:D:rolleyes:

Yeh but try Singapore.:D

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1059481)

I wonder if there's any of these 'Swivel eyed loons' on Accyweb?:D:rolleyes:

'Swivel Eyed Loons' Comment Allegations Pile Pressure On David Cameron

Lord Feldman denies he branded Conservative activists ?swivel-eyed loons? - Mirror Online

tick tock the clocks ticking

Just crossed my mind ... short trip, eh:D ... that we have a tory government too; so, I thought that I would post a few links, now and again, to show that they are just as corrupt and greedy as your bunch. Not to mention the fact that they are screwing up a perfectly good country with their cut, cut, cut policies.

Harper chief of staff resigns amid Senate expense scandal - Politics - CBC News

And another on the same lines:

Senator Pamela Wallin leaves Conservative caucus - Politics - CBC News

Country does not matter one iota Eric a tory anywhere is a greedy corrupt get,in any government.;)

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1059581)

Country does not matter one iota Eric a tory anywhere is a greedy corrupt get,in any government.;)

Ain't that the truth.:D

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1059592)

Ain't that the truth.:D

As a socialist you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum:p

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059632)

As a socialist you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum:p

As sure as egg's is banana's he'll never get bitten by a Tory telling the truth!
:)

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 1059481)

I wonder if they will change their tune when they want these same 'swivel eyed loons' to put their cross in the tory box when it comes to voting.

All political parties seem to treat the electorate like they are educationally sub normal. Like they think they know what is best for us.
None of them are really in touch with the concerns of the grass roots.

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1059666)

I wonder if they will change their tune when they want these same 'swivel eyed loons' to put their cross in the tory box when it comes to voting.CERTAINTY.;)
None of them are really in touch with the concerns of the grass roots.

Or perhaps they just don't give a stuff about the grass roots?;)

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1059665)

As sure as egg's is banana's he'll never get bitten by a Tory telling the truth!
:)

So what do you make of it went I say your a real nice guy:D

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1059667)

Or perhaps they just don't give a stuff about the grass roots?;)

Ain't that why I became an ex-grass roots :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059668)

So what do you make of it went I say your a real nice guy:D

What more proof do I need?

Everyone on AccyWeb knows that isn't true!

So you must be talking http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/to...ll-of-crap.gif

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1059670)

What more proof do I need?

Everyone on AccyWeb knows that isn't true!

So you must be talking http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/to...ll-of-crap.gif

I love a man who knows his place;)

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059677)

I love a man who knows his place;)

I've more chance of getting a pork chop from the Butchers on B'urn Rd than I have of ever listening to a Tory telling the truth!

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1059681)

I've more chance of getting a pork chop from the Butchers on Burn Rd than I have of ever listening to a Tory telling the truth!

And Labour are all sweetness and light in the truth stakes, I can recall two instances off hand, which don't stock up, weapons of mass destruction which took us into an illegal war and an MP saying he would support a referendum on us pulling out of Europe, then reneged as soon as he joined the gray train, funny thing truth ain't it, especially in all politicians hands ;)

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059707)

What a big difference between you and I.

I know labour lie, I believe them as much as I believe the Tories these day's, I have already said on site, they don't represent Socialism.

I would love however, just as an aside to see your version of the ideal Conservative, you know the one, the bloke that wouldn't allow cruelty or hardship for anyone, when he appears, I'll vote for him.

Oop's silly me, they don't look after their own, what chance do I have?

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1059709)

I know all politicians lie, that's the big difference otherwise why would they be in politics

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1059710)

I know all politicians lie, that's the big difference otherwise why would they be in politics

You actually went out when you were fit and well and Canvassed for a liar?

What a waste!

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1059667)

Or perhaps they just don't give a stuff about the grass roots?;)

That's 'cause they have serfs to mow their lawns;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB5L...e_gdata_player so if these people have had their benefits stopped how many people are really unemployed .could there really be nearly another million people that are not counted in the statistics :confused::eek:

this is the future.:( Letters: Food banks just part of Tories' plan | Society | The Guardian its 2013 and we are going backwards.what kind of society do we want:confused:

ha ha so much for ids being a euro sceptic he wont want to upset his outlaws:D
Over the years, the farm business operating off the country estate part-owned by Duncan Smith's son – with the minister's wife as a trustee – has received well over a million pounds in taxpayer subsidies.

Swanbourne Home Farms, run in partnership between the minister's in-laws, Baron and Baroness Cottesloe, brother-in-law Thomas, and cousin Richard Brooks, has been given €1,517,535 over a 10-year period in funding from the EU. It has also been the recipient of grants understood to be worth tens of thousands of pounds from Natural England.

Described by the EU as "income support" for farmers, these common agricultural policy payments were established by the 1957 treaty of Rome to ensure "fair standard of living for the agricultural community". None of it goes to the Duncan Smiths.

"Neither Iain Duncan Smith or his wife receive any income whatsoever from the Swanbourne Estate," his spokesman says. And few would quibble with the payments themselves. Still, it shows that the best of us need a hand from time to time.

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1061232)

Nice cut and paste job C'mon, except for the first line that is, the rest is plagiarised, too many punctuation marks and capital letters to be all your own work:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1061341)

UK Government ready to release Lib Dem detainees | The Evening Harold Ha ha made me chuckle.

You must have plenty of time on your hands, trawling though press websites looking for crap to waste internet space on here with;)

i wonder which one is going to be outed for having an affair tomorrow?;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1061480)

i wonder which one is going to be outed for having an affair tomorrow?;)

Scraping the very deep corners of the barrel now C'Mon;)

nope they are hypocrites this will blow the cabinate apart you havent got a clue jaysay this is very big i mean very big news.live by the sword resign by the sword;) http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2013/06...secret-affair/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...le-on-marriage boris with a love child as well lol

If it blows owt apart i will be very surprised, not many give a monkey's about crap like this these days. Big me arse, its sod all these days.

ha ha hope thats not an amptley put word lol;)

positive its not this http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...p-rumours.nope its nothing to do with Hague its bigger than that.

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1061514)

positive its not this http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...p-rumours.nope its nothing to do with Hague its bigger than that.

C'mon quit well your losing and save some web space, this is the last time I say anything about your pathetic posting on this thread

I wish we still had the accyweb bookies, I'd put a fortnights benefit on Jay making further spelling mistakes in this thread!

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1061678)

I wish we still had the accyweb bookies, I'd put a fortnights benefit on Jay making further spelling mistakes in this thread!

I'd be in for a c-note;)

And, once again, I add to my campaign to show that our tories can be at least as sleazey as yours when it comes to the almighty trough.

PM's former chief of staff controlled secret Tory fund - Politics - CBC News

Way to go Ottawa:theband: And this from a party whose campaigning was replete with words such as "integrity", "openness", "transparency", "accountability",:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: I think we might be willing to trade Harper for Cameron ... hey, and we will even throw in the Toronto Maple Leafs:D

i thought we had no money:confused: but hey whats £10 billion its a drop in the ocean:confused: Irish bailout costs British taxpayers an extra £10bn | The Times

its official they really are the enemy from within that kick you in the teeth BBC News - Recession prompted 'unprecedented' fall in wages

Don't really need official fer anyone wi above the brain capacity of n amoeba, to be aware of what this shower always do to ordinary people.:rolleyes: The real problem is too many ordinary people are too dumb to see it, or else perceive they are much better n they really are. its a no-win situation.

Tories are using their children in propaganda again.

I WOULD feed my family GM food, says Cameron as he tries to win over public on the issue | Mail Online

It didn't work last time and they ought to have realised that.
It is a sign that they are grasping at GM straws.

BBC ON THIS DAY | 16 | 1990: Gummer enlists daughter in BSE fight

VEGA: News Item very interesting this;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1063822)

VEGA: News Item very interesting this;)

How foolish of me! I thought it may be something relevant to today, but no, old news dragged up to suit an agenda. :rolleyes: Or is C'mon a secret raging Vegetablist? (as well as being a rabid Labourite socialist monomaniac) :)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1063822)

VEGA: News Item very interesting this;)

So a family friend of Gummers died young from CJD - I wonder if he felt indirectly responsible - probably not - psychos seem to blame anyone but themselves.

I had a psycho/ narcissist husband until 1980, who would only eat wild meat because he was concerned that eating medicated domestic animals was a threat to his 'potency' (he used this more away than at home:rolleyes:)

I could see there was some shred of logic in his warped thinking, so after our split in 1980, I continued not to eat beef, and ate lamb instead (sheep are 'free range', many cattle are shed reared)

When the CJD scandal broke several years later I was glad that I had not eaten beef for years.

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1063825)

I think it is relevant today to point out that government advice about food in the past was was later shown to be totally wrong.

The Monsanto corporation have a very strong financial stranglehold over governments. It is the only thing the Eu have done, by discouraging spread of GM food, that gives them any credit.

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1063827)

I think it is relevant today to point out that government advice about food in the past was was later shown to be totally wrong.

My dear Mags, the government of the day get lots of things wrong, frequently. The point I'm making is that the article posted by C'mon was not placed to highlight something that has happened within the last day or two, but to have a dig (again) at a party he detests! Any chance to bash a Tory or their ideals is C'mon's, "Raison D'etre!". :D

I'm all for balanced criticism across the board me, so slag away (at any & all parties for all I care) when there is a genuine reason to do so, but with C'mon it's a tedious, relentless, predictable bleating, not dissimilar to his opposite numbers little diatribes regarding Labour! ;)

Or to put it in terms you'd probably better appreciate my little Magster, the concept of Yin-Yang. :)

i see 80% of lobbyists are exempt from the so called new rules

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1067204)

i see 80% of lobbyists are exempt from the so called new rules

Excuse me? Do you not know the rules set down by our local M.P.?
The maximum amount of exaggeration allowed onsite is 75%.

I don't know where you have been...and it was quiet while you weren't around(though I can't personally say I missed you - well, no..... I could, but it would be a lie).
You can go back now - I've had enough already.

a little bit of fracking scandal on the way not just osbornes father in law;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1067581)

a little bit of fracking scandal on the way not just osbornes father in law;)

I never thought I'd have to say this to you, link please!
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1063826)

I too had a psycho / narcissistic husband. He's just completed his PhD, my mother now refers to him as Dr. Dick. Don't know whether this has anything to do with meat though.!:D:jimbo:

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1063826)

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I had a psycho/ narcissist husband until 1980, who would only eat wild meat because he was concerned that eating medicated domestic animals was a threat to his 'potency' (he used this more away than at home:rolleyes:)

So he never chewed on your ear then Margaret ? ;)

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Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1068123)

So he never chewed on your ear then Margaret ? ;)

I don't find that amusing - just in very bad taste and not relevant to this thread.

dont mind me im just checking in to this thread to see if cameron is still an evil funt

looks like he is :)

As the countdown to the termination of Atos' gravy train approaches, I just wanted to throw my thoughts into the melting pot and air my thoughts on this organisation, and the way it conducts medicals on behalf of the government.
But first a little history. In the 1980's, when Thatcherism was operating a scorched Earth policy throughout our heavy industry, which also happened to be areas of Labour's core support, millions upon millions of men were made redundant as the nationalised steelworks; coal mines and manufacturing sectors were closed and broken up, to be sold to speculators and other ne'er-do-well 'investors'.
With a nominal figure of 3 million people unemployed (a fair price to pay for 'economic stability' according to the housewife from Grantham), a further groundswell of unemployment was far from welcome to the government of the day. Only so many school leavers and long term jobless people could be squirreled away on government schemes, where they did not figure in the unemployment reckoning, so something had to be done.
Front line Jobcentre staff were brow beaten into encouraging new, and existing, claimants into making claims for sickness benefit, at that time called Invalidity Benefit. It paid more than the dole AND you didn't have to sign on every fortnight. Rules were relaxed, even those suffering from things such as dyspepsia (burping to you and I) were allowed to claim. Very soon there was a very covert explosion in sickness claims, and the government were not further embarrassed by an explosion in the unemployment figure, job done!
However, as the economy eventually grew, and European money began to slowly regenerate these devastated areas, very poorly paid jobs began to emerge. Where a miner once earned £300 per week for four day's work, he was now faced with the prospect of working in a call centre, or assembling electronic circuits, for £2.50 per hour. "No thanks" says he, and he stays on 'the sick'.
Somewhat miffed that Joe Scrote won't get off his arse to work for a pittance, like the pre-nationalised form of the industries they had closed, the government then made it more difficult to qualify for sickness benefits. BUT, as with any life form, the sickness claimant, who over the previous ten years or so, has learned to live within his benefit means, learned how to circumvent the stricter regime, they adapted, developing illnesses such as 'a bad back' and the classic of the nineties, depression. Not only that, in the meantime the benefit claimants had procreated, and the young of the time had grown up, all in an environment of benefit dependency, why work for a living when you can be 'depressed' and get free money? Living on benefit had become a lifestyle option as young adults learned (like every other animal) from their parents, how to survive.
Consequently, until the introduction of the national minimum wage, such mundane work; which had replaced traditional industries; was far from attractive, and it proved very difficult to wean a certain sector of social strata from the safety net of sickness benefit. Again, however, this still proved very difficult, not least because generations of young adults had little or no literacy and numeracy skills, why did they need them, they were never going to get a job? So not only did we have several generations of former 'working' class people out of work following in the footsteps of their parents, we now had a barely educated workforce, who even if they looked for work, were hardly attractive to potential employers.
With the advent of New Labour, new hope emerged. The new government pumped what seemed to be and endless supply of money into the economy of the poor, tax breaks, tax credits, child tax credits, apprenticeships, freely available learning for those who had failed at school.
Even though great strides were made, a hard core of people still remained, convinced they were unfit for work, after all the government had been telling them that for the best part of twenty years, and there were; of course; the shirkers, of whom there were a small but significant minority. The solution to this, Employment and Support Allowance, a benefit that will pay the same as unemployment benefits, but has a small premium if you are judged to be able to, and are willing to, move towards work, or, a larger premium if it is felt that you are not likely to be in a position to work in the foreseeable future. In order to discriminate between those who are fit for work, those who may; in time; return to work, and those for whom the days of work are over, a test had to be formulated, this became the Work Capability Assessment, and someone needed to administer the said tests. The French jack of all trades ATOS was selected, after all, they took care of occupational health services for government employees, who were all cock-a-hoop with the boxes they ticked when referred to them, and whilst I would not hear of any suggestion of deals behind closed doors, Robert Deveraux (or Bobby Davro to his subordinates) the current permanent secretary, insists the bidding for the contract was transparent, but refuses to release details to the committee governing it, I will leave that to your own consideration.
Despite initial teething troubles; lack of staff, lack of office space, lack of training, in fact a lack of just about everything needed to cope with the number of assessments being referred to them, ATOS got into the stride of finding people fit to work.
Many assertions and assumptions were made with regard to ATOS, people believed they were awarded a bonus for every person they found fit, or a bonus if they found 'X' amount of people fit etc. I believe the contract was generous from the outset, based upon a PREDICTION that they would find a certain quantity of people fit for work, and ultimately I suspect this is the basis for the secrecy surrounding its award, and continuity.
When the Conservatives were rather dubiously elected, their contempt for those in receipt of benefit (despite their leader being a very high profile recipient of DLA) drove their ideology forward, laws were tightened, the regime made more difficult, pleas of the disabled lobby that the UNUM system of assessment, used by ATOS, was unfair and discriminatory were ignored, rulings by the EU that the UNUM system discriminated against disabled people were similarly ignored and even hushed.
Every extremist ideology needs a scapegoat, the Nazis had the Jews (and the British right wing of the time, the Daily Mail calling them 'The Dirty Jews'), the French revolutionists had the Aristo's, the KKK have the black people etcetera, etcetera. The current Tory crop, no longer having a substantial, militant trade union movement to blame the ills of the world on, have chosen those in receipt of state benefit to be the focus of their invective and blame, specifically those who are the most vulnerable, and least able to fight back, the sick and disabled. There are, no doubt, within that group an element of shirkers, work-shy lay abouts and people who just don't want to work and are happy to wallow at the bottom of the heap, merely existing. It is this minority the Tory government wants to eliminate, and to do this they gave ATOS a very large sledge hammer to crack a small; but very hard; walnut!
ATOS, like most French, have no substance or scruples, they will collapse at the first sign of a fight, especially a moral one, especially one that has an additional financial incentive, so consequently they happily took on board the new 'stricter' regime. They voraciously recruited 'healthcare professionals' regardless of their claimed qualifications, and set them to work using a system of assessment specifically designed to disregard illness or disability as a barrier to work. In addition to this the Department for Work and Pensions, under the instruction of the government (initially Labour) had to phase out the old Incapacity Benefit, and transfer the recipients to a 'more suitable' benefit, the natural assumption being ESA as this was now the 'sickness' benefit. This involved conducting approximately 2.5 million additional Work Capability Assessments, over and above those required for the new ESA claims. ATOS went into overdrive recruiting 'healthcare professionals' from all over the world, it did not matter that they were barely qualified, or even if they had qualifications that were recognised in this country, those who could barely speak English, and more importantly could barely write English, none of this mattered, because ATOS would 'train' them and give them a qualification facilitating their ability to assess potential and current claimants. What was not generally known was that the 'qualification' they received, to allow them to conduct assessments, is one that was simply conjured from thin air, it does not exist in medical circles and is not recognised by any regulatory body - AT ALL!
Nonetheless, it did not prevent physiotherapists assessing people with mental health issues, nurses disputing the veracity of consultant's advice, and foreign nationals submitting reports that were barely understandable. As stories of ATOS' shambolic performance began to emerge, journalists began to take an interest, especially when medical professionals with a moral backbone began to speak out against the practices of this, primarily, computer services provider. Television programmes highlighted the training schemes where the healthcare professionals were shown how to twist and distort evidence to show that someone was fit for work, and even more damningly, that they referred to claimants as Lying, Thieving Bastards.
Despite their shameful performance in the sphere of humanity, one that could compete with the policies of Pol Pot, the government were quite happy with their ability to 'cure' people of illness, hailing the fact that when re-assessed, a third of Incapacity Benefit claimants were fit for work, not only that, they MUST have been claiming fraudulently regardless of what the official figures suggest. Despite this, disallowed claimants had the temerity to appeal these decisions, winning around 25% of them when representing themselves, but rising to around 75% when they were represented by bodies such as C.A.B or solicitors for example. Even so, the Tories still hailed this as a victory against the work-shy, and as they continued to pummel those who had found themselves out of work as a result of their policies, as a result of the crisis caused by their chums in the banking sector, people were dying. Yes, ATOS' miracle cure was simply snake oil, thousands of people, found fit for work, were dying weeks after their assessments. no-one can say whether it was as a result of their reported illnesses, or if it was as a result of unforeseen circumstances, or if it was a result of the undue stress placed upon them after being 'cured'. Although the government could ignore this, the problem wouldn't go away, even when the DWP were ordered not to collate/publish figures showing the number of such deaths, the problem would stubbornly remain, refused Freedom of Information Act requests simply served to highlight the potential embarrassment.
Like so many private enterprises hired by central government, ATOS' walls began to crumble, as is always the case when an organisation is motivated by profit, not service, or indeed, compassion. The government's solution is to review ATOS' monopoly, and look at introducing further tenders to improve the system. However, there are only so many 'trained' 'healthcare professionals' to go around, so what makes anyone think that these 'quacks' will perform better, more compassionately, or more comprehensively because they have a different badge on their shirt? The game that the claimant enters is still stacked against them. So whilst it is good that the government is prepared to admit that one of their providers (there are many, many more failing in the Work Programme - at least 10 providers for 12 contracts are being reviewed... and you can take that to the bank) is failing - not that THEY chose the wrong one - I doubt very little will actually change for those in receipt of assessments. As a conclusion I would just like to give a couple of examples of the sort of blather the so called healthcare professionals submit as evidence, that I have personally come across in the course of my work:

"The patient is likely to improve in three months' time" - FANTASTIC! This doctor has a cure for the Alzheimer’s Disease that the claimant suffered, a miracle!

"The client showed no evidence of muscle wasting in the hands and feet" - That could be due to the fact that our hands and feet do not have muscles (other than the thumb).

"A return to work could be considered within three months" - an ATOS nurse. An ATOS doctor assessing the same client two weeks earlier as part of an occupational health assessment on behalf of Royal Mail "This patient is not fit for any kind of work, and is unlikely to be so for the foreseeable future"

I wonder how long it took to cut and paste 3175, one idiot stops posting then back comes another one.
As for the continual harping back to the "bad old" days of Margaret Thatcher, I am surprised that no-one has a go at Gavrilo Princip, who probably precipitated WWI, and therefore the deaths of not only the Accrington Pals but all the other casualties - surely that was a greater assault on this countries way of life than Maggie ever perpetrated.
So let us all have a hate session for Gavrilo Princip:rolleyes:

only pointing out that people blamed labour for starting the sick culture when actually it was the tories ,but lets not get in the way of the truth;)

If people must copy and paste from other sites instead of thinking about the post please make it readable
this is just a jumble of words with sentences starting and ending mid line what a mess

But its a great example of bad posting

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 1068275)

this is just a jumble of words with sentences starting and ending mid line what a mess

It's the long-awaited sequel to "Finnegans Wake":)

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1068305)

It's the long-awaited sequel to "Finnegans Wake":)

If Finnegan waded through that he'd be asleep.

I did try to read it and make some sense of it...but gave up......it isn't worth wasting my life on.
C'monstanley...you have been away for a while...I don't know where you went(nor do I really care) but I would ask you to consider returning whence you came.

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1067302)

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1068354)

Oh Look, biological if not quite identical twins, careful, you seem to be forgetting your earlier posts.
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1068320)

If Finnegan waded through that he'd be asleep.

I wouldn't know, brother ... I didn't wade ... didn't even get my tootsies damp. Maybe I'll try a little later when I'm stoned and on my 6th Barking Squirrel:

Hop City | Barking Squirrel

The perfect beer for a thread wander on a gorgeous summer day;):D And on that note, I think I'll grab a bag of peanuts and head outside to feed my friendly neighbourhood squirrels ... mmm, feeding peanuts to the squirrels. That could be a metaphor for how the tories view the downtrodden masses.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1068376)

That could be a metaphor for how the tories view the downtrodden masses.:rolleyes:

Agreed, but for "Tories" read "politicians".

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1068368)

Oh Look, biological if not quite identical twins, careful, you seem to be forgetting your earlier posts.
:rolleyes:

Less, are you trying to make me think I have Alzheimers disease?
I know exactly what I posted.......I just wanted to reiterate for those who do have Alzheimers, and the sentiment still stands.

I knew I had seen the tories policies somewhere else:eek:

theres no money theres no money unless your Michael howard

For all those fans of privatization, I just ran into this:

Serco: the company that is running Britain | Business | The Guardian

There are some things in any nation that should be run by the government ... the private sector should not be involved at all. I personally would include rail transportation and hydro; but prisons, schools, hospitals, and all that kinda fundamental stuff should not be handed over to scumbag companies ... Haliburton for chrissake:rolleyes: Try telling that to Tories and Republicans.

serco are a hedge fund company. i think this is a conflict of interest as 75% of tory members of parliament are involved with a hedge fund company. see the peoples assembly are going to be joining labour and influencing policy. there is a revolution happening before our eyes and the politicians wont see it. viva revolution;):D

private firms are not open to the freedom of information requests due to "commercial confidentiality" so they shouldn't be running public services at all .so if they do get contracts the law should be changed to make any company running a public service to be open to the freedom of information act.

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1069098)

I'm not a fan of private company's dealing with our essentials, however, they have been sold haven't they?
To private company's, if whichever party had said you can buy it but we the Government will still be in charge, surely they would have replied with something along the lines of, fine, we'll buy it but if you are going to interfere, for a lot less than you're asking.
(I was going to say for a peppercorn amount, but c'mon, c'mon you wouldn't understand what peppercorn means).

anybody in the north that vote for the tories are surely mental. this is what the north will be in 2 years a fracking mess Lord Howell's Fracking Call In 'Desolate' North East Condemned By Local MPs

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1069132)

anybody in the north that vote for the tories are surely mental. this is what the north will be in 2 years a fracking mess Lord Howell's Fracking Call In 'Desolate' North East Condemned By Local MPs

two years :eek:your brains been dead since you joined accyweb;)

ahh but you must be mental if you agree with rail fair rises ,energy rises ,water bills rising fracking out your backdoor, food kitchens for the poor ,discrimination against the disabled etc ;)

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1069291)

ahh but you must be mental if you agree with rail fair rises ,energy rises ,water bills rising fracking out your backdoor, food kitchens for the poor ,discrimination against the disabled etc ;)

And are Labour going to put right all that you see as wrongdoing by the Tories?

I realise that you will ignore this post - just as you do with all responses to your posts.

Keep going though, your aspirations to be recognised as the Accyweb Village Idiot is progressing well but you still have to increase your efforts to raise your standing to idiot level

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1069304)

Whoa hang on, don't give him ideas above his station!

He lives in Scotland, is ignored in Scotland, does not need to be cared for by the generosity of AccyWebbers.
:o

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1069305)

Whoa hang on, don't give him ideas above his station!

He lives in Scotland, is ignored in Scotland, does not need to be cared for by the generosity of AccyWebbers.
:o

And even worse than the horror of Fracking,He's threatening to move back down here.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1069306)

And even worse than the horror of Fracking,He's threatening to move back down here.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

After umpteen years of misruling Scotland he thinks he's going to get a welcome?

Maybe our local labour party have offered to put him forward as Parliamentary Candidate when good old Graham steps down to take up a Directorship?

:D