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Of course Poland will 'honour' Tony Blair...he has done far more for their economy than he has for ours.

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But also to be honest, he doesn't make any secret about his prejudices. It's not as if he offers his opinion as unbiased political comment. I agree with a lot of what he says, but I would express myself a little differently ... I like to keep a sense of humour when all about me are losing theirs;) As Will Waggledagger puts it: "There's nothing serious in mortality;/All is but toys; renown, and grace is dead./The wine of life is drawn, and the mere lees/Is left this vault to brag of." Sounds a lot like a comment on contemporary politics and politicians, over there and over here. At the least, "lees" accurately pictures Cameron and Stephen Harper, tories both.;)

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No he doesn't hide prejudices, bet he has those big green eyes of envy to go with the outfit too Eric;)

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hope a lot of people have got the phone numbers for removal men ohh wait a minute its going to take more money putting people in hotels till they find somewhere to go, or are they going to be homeless.the bedroom tax is on the way sooner than you think;) anybody who can justify the tories now are barmy.

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HBC are already enforcing the bedroom tax i didnt think it was coming in until may.I also know that rossendale council are penalising people for having an empty room also.

lets be frank here this bedroom tax is mainly going to effect single men and who cares about them.I know some women live alone in rented accomodation but mostly its men

within 6 months though women will be expected to only use one bedroom and have their children sleep in bed with them so it will even out eventually.

Iv also heard on teh radio that Cameron is after abolishing council tax benefit so poor folk may find themsleves even worse off than first thought

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What no link:rolleyes:

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dont need a link mate, see it everyday ;) im not the only one that is seeing it everyday just wait till they take the 10% subsidy of your council tax in april. with at least 10% more on the energy bills. the food kitchens will be full by summer.

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When I lived on that side of the pond, I never took all that much interest in politics ... except for budget time, complaining that my bitter would cost an extra penny a pint and tuppence more for fags:eek: Now, a few of the things that go on there surprise me. Ok, we adopted most of the British parliamentary system ... we even have a kinda House of Lords;) But this thing about housing? Why should the central government be concerning itself about this ... unless they believe that the peasants are having it a little too good:D Don't they have anything more important to deal with? Shouldn't the local authorities be dealing with this stuff? I've no doubt that the housing situation in Hyndburn is different from that of Little Muckheap on the Mould in the Cotswolds ... (I presume that's part of the Gin and Jaguar belt;)) Seems that this is definitely an issue that should be handled at the local level.

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well it is going to be local authorities implementing it , but they will be taking the brunt of violence that will be erupting and is already in other agencies.you say phone the police .there is hardly any police most of them are now or going to be on the dole.

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And what's the betting that the Labour run local authorities will implement it first , just so that they can shrug their shoulders and point their fingers at the big bad Tories while they do it.

And dunno about you but when I went to school 'most' meant more than half....are you seriously suggesting that more than half the police force are soon to be on the dole?

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i think its up to individual housing associations when they start it, not too sure if the north west is one of the pilot areas. the council are also taking over crisis loan budgeting loans etc.the times are a changing very fast.the jobcentre dont do jobs anymore theyve paid monster.com a big wack to take that over.

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counting the support staff,forensic labs ,dog units etc yep that would be an estimate guess.

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Well you've already shown your English usage ain't any great shakes, now looks like your maths ain't too clever either, dullard;)

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be more specific...is it an estimate(which is based on a measurement of facts) or is it a guess......which is something you pull out of thin air....and has no relation to facts..
You don't know do you? You just like to throw things into the pot and then stir it about a bit.....something that you must have learned recently, since you NEVER did it with any of the rubbish new labour policies were being mooted.

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over the past 20 years government has gradually shirked its resposability to ensure people arnt homeless infact the tory's are or already have removed the responsability from councils to ensure someone isnt homeless.If you go into the council now saying you have no where to live and are homeless you get told to visit a website and apply or bid on a property usually owned by private landlords or housing associations.

mind you the councils dont really have any properties because the torys sold them all off and then complained when they ened up in the hands of private landlords who then charged 3x the rent on a propperty that was origonally a low rent property

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Many of the council houses were sold to sitting tenants for a fraction of the cost of what they were worth. I know quite a few people who would not have had a hope in hell of getting together a deposit back then (when mortgages were freely available on low deposits) and became home owners by buying their council house.
What happened back then cannot be undone.....the failure has been not building affordable rental properties....and uncontrolled immigration has got to be a factor in there too.
People who come into the country want houses, which means that there just are not enough properties to go around.

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Ya Uncontrolled Immigration without support is stupid, yet Blair and Brown did nothing about it, nor has Cameron either. Looking at statistics published this morning its easy to see why they want to come here

average salary for low paid workers is £17,149 in GB in Poland its £3,690 Romania £2,234 and in the next country who will be heading for here in 2014 Bulgaria its £1,654. In these countries benefits paid to jobless without children is Poland £2,712 Romania £1,239 Bulgaria £992, while in this country its £9,686. To me it makes sense to get the hell out of Europe and then the big players in the euro can take the mantle and those who are looking for a better place to live financially or live on benefits can go there instead, just in passing since the previous census to the last one the number of people with Islam as their religion has rocketed to Two and a half million and they're not here for the good weather either

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like many have said before including myself.

make sure them that are already here can be catered for before inviting more..

but that makes you racist

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Well it does for them that walk about with their head up their own arse, other people think it makes sense, the idea is to cater for your own before flooding the country with people who want to come here on the make, I think GB is the only country where you can come in one day and be strewn with gifts of cash houses anything you require, not because we're generous or out like that, we're the do gooders capital of the world, with your left wing hand ringing liberal guardianist screaming at anybody who disagrees. Try going to the states or Australia or anywhere for that matter and see if you get any joy, I believe if you want to go to Aussie you need to prove you can support yourself and have a job lined up before you go, if you want to live in the states you need sponsoring by an American citizen before they give you a visa, I know Joan's Niece lives in Dallas and her mother and father wanted to move there a few years ago, she only managed it because their daughter has now got American citizenship or they would have been up the Swanee without a paddle

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I don't think it racist to tell the truth.
If people want to come here then they must first prove that they :-
1) have somewhere to live.
2) have a job they can go to.
3) have medical insurance to cover any health needs.
4)have enough funds to support themselves for at least two years.

We should stop giving benefits to those who have made no contributions in this country.
We should stop foreign aid...unless it is given in the form of credits which will be spent in goods or services which originate in this country(which would give a boost to our failing economy).
Benefits should not be paid for children who do not live in this country.
I don't know how many millions this would save, but it would perhaps ensure that some of the service cuts would not be necessary.

And John, you are spot on about Australia, and what is more...you can only get a job if there is no Australian national who either wants to do it or is qualified to do it.

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Those are four decent qualifications you mention ... Here's a test you guys can take to see if you qualify to get into god's country;):

Canadian Immigration and Visas | Canadian Immigration Points Calculator

Good luck/Bonne chance;):D

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I might just sqeak into Canada.......but I am neither an earner nor a breeder....and to be honest I could not face the packing.
We(as a family) had the opportunity to migrate to Australia in 1974, but I got cold feet at the thought of the medical so we didn't go. That would have been the best time to go...our daughter was only six years old and I am sure she would have adapted very well to the outdoor life.

Who knows what I would have done. I feel that I had a successful career over here.......I'm not sure I would have had the guts to take on the challenge of a new life and a totally absorbing career over in Oz...and in any case I would not have had the support network which would have allowed me to do it. Fate has me where it wants me...and where I could do the most good...or at least that is what I tell myself when all the world looks brown and crappy.

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i wouldnt mind but when people say cater for those that are already here the "those that are already here" contain people from all creeds and walks of life.Its just common sense to say we have enough people thankyou try again later when a few folk have either emigrated or died off.

As for foreign aid again common sense says stop it all until we are in a position to start giving again.Why should teh citizens of a country be the only people in it together and feeling the pinch ?

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yep go into any goverment agencies saying you need help they send you away to a private housing association :confused: how much are they paying them .from april all loans from the jobcentre are being transferred to your local council which doesnt have any money ring fenced for this service .

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to be fair all this asking the council for help and been diverted to an outside agencey or a website to bid on a property with your tale of woe all came about on labours watch.

just think...

if labour ,mainly tony blair hadnt screwed up in such a maginificant way we wouldnt have this shower of crap we have now

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A lot of the crap jock strap complains about started on Blair and Browns watch, but there's no so blind than those who don't want to see

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i dont think brown carrys much blame mainly because he opposed blair on a lot of things but he had to do as he was told or be sacked and never get to be primeminister.It was no secret the two had very different ideas and hated each other and i genuinly believe that Tony Blair deliberatly screwed things up deliberatly to ensure Brown didnt get re-elected.Anyone who wasnt a yes man to Blair soon found themselves out fo a job.Im not saying Brown was perfect but the vast majority of blame falls at Blairs feet.

for that to be true though you would have to believe that Blair was such an ego maniac that he would screw a country just to punish one man...

and i think he would his actions arnt really those of a man with a concience are thaey ?

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I think the problem was that Blair wasn't as much interested in internal affairs as he was in foreign excursions. Brown was left with pretty much of a free hand with the economy etc. and screwed it up for all of us. Both of them were too arrogant to condone any criticism.

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Couldn't have put it better myself Dave, very remnant with Jim Callaghan back in 79, crisis what crisis, as he sipped his ice drink in the Caribbean

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the crisis started when thatcher took over;)

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Actually, I think it started when we came down from the trees ... come to think of it, leaving the ocean may not have been all that good of an idea either:rolleyes:

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It might not have been to bad if some blabbermouth hadn't gone back and told their stupid relatives what we were up to.

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Probably some tory dissatisfied with 13 million years in the trees.:rolleyes:

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The crisis ended when thatcher took over and we got rid of the birdbrain Callaghan, and bushy eyebrowed mate (silly billy) the earlier version of Brown and his little Darling

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13 years was bad enough:rolleyes:

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ha ha osbourne is only out by £64 billion .

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Link please, or people will think your stupid;)

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Pity it wasn't 65 billion ... then it would have been divisible by 13:eek: Think of how those figures could be interpreted. Are the tories screwing up at a faster rate than Labour did? Is it a mathematical tie? Who really gives a .... .

I do believe, from what I have been reading on here, that not many folks have any confidece in the abilities of any of the major parties. But much as I dislike tories and their ideology, but I don't see the Chancellor's errors as risible.

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Almost half of British military kit to be left in Afghanistan - Telegraph a disgrace. but they wont need it as they are sacking most of the army off..

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yet the radio is full of adverts asking for gun fodder to join up which due to teh lack of equiptment given to our lads is pretty much what your signing up to be.

sack the soldiers on decentish pay and recruit lower paid lads to replace them ?

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Or it isn't fit for purpose like most of the army's equipment provided by the last government

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History repeating itself, they did similar at Dunkirk.

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There again they might work on the same premise as been used in the NHS for a while now, if you get equipment from the NHS at home such as perching stools shower, seats, walking frames, foot stools, bed back rest, they are none returnable, because they say it is cheaper to replace with new that to collect and refurbish these items for reuse

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Well, I keep getting leaflets through the door asking for clothes for people of a certain ethnic background, perhaps the army has had similar fliers from the Taliban?


'We are a very poor and ill equipped organisation, can you find it in your heart to supply us with any used or unneeded pieces of equipment that you may have'.

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Na Less the Taliban are more selective that that :rolleyes:

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Well I've been thinking, and decided you could be right, more likely it's been discovered that the guy that owns the army surplus stores votes labour, so the coalition are making sure he can't re-stock with any of this stuff.

A deliberate move to squeeze him out of business.
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Ya sounds about right to me Less:D

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It was on the news down here that the Tories - Lib Dems capped housing benefit down here so what happened is by law the council have to house you if you've had a council flat. So those that were moved had to be housed in hotels at a cost much higher than the rent would have been. So capping the housing benefit has meant people had to leave council properties and be put up in hotels costing more than the rent would have. So infact the tax payer is now paying more than before the cut!:eek::)

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Ok, so it seems as if Labour are about 12 pints (that's a typo; but I thought I'd leave it in as a Jaysayism;)) ahead of the Tories ... well, give or take a few points. For the life of me ... and I would never vote tory; the guy in my avatar would be spinning in his grave if I did ... I can't see why:confused: And I do read the British press (for the naked broads; not the stories:D). But I can't see that they are doing anything special ... Labour that is, not the naked broads. I realize the tories are screwing up big time, especially that clown who is Chancellor of the Exchequer:rolleyes:; but I don't see Labour as offering anything too much better than what the tories are doing.

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from what iv read from admitidly not the best resource cameron is looking at taking away the responsability for the council to house people so the hotel issue will soon not be a hurdle for councils if true.

this con/dem lot seem to think that if an idea clearly wont work then force it to work by whatever means are needed is the way to go

one thing i would like to say is cameron is getting a lot of flak or the tory party is but lets not forget who made this all possible and done sod all to prevent it and give the Lib Dems some credit too

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To be honest Eric, neither could run a booze up at Thwaites Brewery, mind you I do keep smiling every time Mr Ed has comments on present policy, we wouldn't do this, we wouldn't do that, its not doing enough (on things they actually agree on) I just sit back and think if you've got all the answers why didn't you implement them when you had the chance, labour have always been big on talk poor on action, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk:rolleyes:

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this isnt new labour this is one nation labour:p:D

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they're not even one party, never mind one nation:rolleyes:

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another failed tory policy Plan for small businesses to take over empty government buildings 'failing' | Business | The Guardian

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And next year will they be the Peoples Front of Judea or the Judean Peoples Front?

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I don't have a problem with voting left of centre ... in fact, I like a little more "left" than "centre" ... but "One Nation" is nothing more than an empty slogan. The sheep will follow thinking all will be equal, forgetting that some will always be more equal than others. I still don't see New Labour, or whatever you want to call it, is any more responisve to the wishes of those who vote for it than is the Conservative party. In fact, the conservatives are more likely to pursue policies which benefit their supporters, particularly the more well-heeled ones.:rolleyes:

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Correct, unfortunately New Labour also seem to have backed the Conservatives more well-heeled as well.
:(

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Yup ... when it comes to grubbing for votes all political parties have the morals of a vacuum cleaner. Come to think of it, that's being a little to generous.

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Perhaps it would read better as:-

'all political parties morals have less substance than a vacuum?'

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Like "Big Society" - Politicians are full of 'em (and some brown stuff).

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Since when as anybody working for the Guardian known anything about business:rolleyes:

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Check out the Tory Boy Band as shown on Sunday Politics show!

Wonder what the name is? The Bullingdon Boys? ;)

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The only reason you prefer the "Mail" is 'cause it can be read by those with a sight vocabulary of about 800 words. We have papers like that too ... many of them can be purchased in supermarkets. The lead story is usually about the latest Elvis sightings.:rolleyes: And then there are the rags from Sun Media. Definitely the papers for tories; they don't challenge the intellect of a guppy.

Come to think of it, if the tories know so much about business, how come your economy is in such a mess, and getting worse? And forecast to stay that way for most of the next decade. Our business-minded tories managed to underestimate the cost of our new fighter aircraft by about $20 billiion.

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You're just picking on him cos' he can't spell 'Gaurniad'

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Believe it or not, the figure "800" was not picked out of thin air. (Like, for example, the number .... mmmm, let's say "13"). I remember it was back in the early '60s at Accy Grammar. In English class the teacher, Peplow I think, caught a boy reading the "Mirror" when he should have been reading "Tintern Abbey". When he was doing the bawling out, I remember the teacher mentioning that the "Mirror" was designed for readers with a sight reading vocab. of 800 words. For some reason, it stuck in my memory:confused: Go figure, eh:D

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Peplow ! That brings back memories - he was my form teacher for a year, 3L I think it was. He was very strict - used sarcasm to great effect.

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I refuse to take serious any paper that employs a left wing lunatic like Pole dance Polly, if you want a real slant on business the Guardian or Independent are out of the running Times and Telegraph, as for the Mail, can't remember the last time I even logged onto their site, in fact you quote more from the Mail than I've ever done. The economy might be in a mess, but just thank god that Mr. Ed ain't in charge, then it would be a total unmitigated disaster

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well it looks like goerge osborne has got it right UK economy is ?in the relegation zone? | Politics UK










if you want to really bring a triple dip;)

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I agree with: "I refuse to take serious any paper ... ";) I also do that. But I guess we have to put up with that First Ammendment stuff ... even without an official, in-writing First Ammendment. It's what separates us, Canadian and British alike, from those countries governed by assorted despots, tosspots, sociopaths, criminals, and Islamists.

Still surprised though that you believe anyone could do a worse job of running the British economy than Osborne is doing. Even world class fiscal conservatives wince as he continues to cut, cut, cut, while ignoring the fact that somewhere along the line a little stimulus has to be injected. And stimulus does not involve giving tax cuts to companies who are already "legally" avoiding paying their due by using all the loopholes available to them, in the hope that these 21st century robber barons will create jobs:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:Maybe it's time to put party ideology aside for a while, and do what's best for the country. In my unsolicited colonial opinion, getting out of the EU would be a helluva good start. The EU is not quite a sinking ship just yet. Not quite. But German cash ain't going to keep it afloat forever.

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Remember Peplow well he taught me French

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the best was camoron in a job centre, think it was west yorkshire, Q why are people in this town now five fold haveing to reley on charity handouts since you have been in power....camoron...the reason is this we now advertise this "service" in the job centres therefore more people know...so there we have it..by the way this etonion has never done an honest days work and comes from a long line of spivs and spectorleters...put that in your pipe peter and smoke it, how long have you been on the brew now?

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Wasn't it Osborne who has just persuaded other world leaders to make sure multi national companies pay the taxes they should be paying. Mind you as I've said before I've not much time for Cameron, the only time he satisfy me is by giving the ordinary people in this country a referendum on Europe, then abiding by the results

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Where did you cut and paste that from it was actually readable, well apart from the half a dozen spelling mistakes that is

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You're an expert on spill chuckers, why not do the friendly thing?

P.M. him with how he can download the one used by 'Special' people like what you is.
:D

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I tried that With C'mon but it didn't make any difference, if you have a problem with spelling try and do something about it, at least I do try to make readable the stuff I write on here Less:rolleyes:

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Yes I know only teasing, I've watched you struggle and mess up your posts for what seems like 13 years now but I'll give you 9/10 for trying.
:)

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That was due to 13 years of Labour mismanagement, Less.
You'll notice he's improved since the Torys got in!

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Its actually only 8 Less but doesn't time fly when your enjoying yourself, sometimes:rolleyes: it just seems like 13, now that is a long time, a lot of irreparable damage can be done in that time:D

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Your a very shroud man Gordon:rolleyes:;)

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Hang on, jaysay, I'm not dead yet!

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A true classic .... you get better with age;):D

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Your very shrewd Gordon:rolleyes:

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ha ha listen to this he is off his rocker Audioboo / Iain Duncan-Smith's Explosive Row With James O'Brien

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ian duncan smith failed politician. so how much mr smith ha ha

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No mention of the jobless falling again C'mon or the fact that more people are in work in this country than ever before, If you think IDS is a failed politician, better not look at the a to z of Labour MPs they total 95% of failed politicians:rolleyes:

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jobless falling again ha ha .if somebodies working 3 hours a week they are saying they are in work and take away the workfare people and actually its up with the harsher sanction schemes .you havent got a clue.the figures dont add up.there goes axminster .

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Actually, both you and your archenemy are out to lunch on this one. C'mon, you failed to notice the increase in full time work, along with a fall in part time. And Jaysay, whose knowledge of economics appears to rank right up there with his spelling and his fixation on the number "13", sees cause for optimism with an economy which is using an increasing number of bodies, working for less, in real terms, to generate a zero increase in output. The only thing you got right is that "the figures don't add up." And that is cause for concern.

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they are classing workfare as full time hours. so im not wrong.if tje unemployment figures are so good how come out put is falling it dont add up]• The government claims unemployment is falling, despite minimal economic growth. In fact, the government's fiddling the unemployment figures, as usual, but by a new method: counting people on "workfare" as employed – as confirmed by Department of Work and Pensions and Office for National Statistics replies to freedom of information requests published on the Informed Consent blog. Workfare makes unemployed people work unpaid for private firms, including Conservative party donors, or else lose their benefits. The government's own research shows that it doesn't improve chances of finding paid work.

ONS figures and Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development research show half the people counted as newly employed are on workfare, government training schemes, or are self-employed, mostly in part-time, low-paid jobs like gardening and cleaning, in which they may be worse off as they lose benefits. Unemployment was at 2.51m when this government came to power in May 2010. It's now at 2.53m, even on their fiddled figures.

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Well there's one think for sure your not interested in this country showing any sore of recovery all you are interested is trying to impress people with your skills at cutting and pasting now you've realized that nobody takes notice of the futile Guardian links you've kept posting, how can we tell its cut and pasted, there's no spelling mistakes and there's words which begin with capitals;)

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So apparently the Tories screwed up again today with their candidate declining to take part in BBC debate. She's been pretty outspoken with some cracking 'foot in the gob' type stuff. So it's alleged that she has been deliberately hid away from any more media gaffes

Eastleigh by-election: Tories 'trying to hide candidate' Maria Hutchings - Telegraph

Anyhoo...our Dave gets a bit annoyed about this and says....

“I think the BBC has behaved badly and stupidly over this from everything I’ve heard about it. My understanding is that we were discussing with you for ages beforehand about the timing of the hustings and the fact that Maria wanted to be with me for this meeting. This is a totally got up thing by the BBC. You know you’re not the most important thing in this by-election – the candidates are.”

So there you have it folks.....straight from the mouth of the leader of the Tory party...the most important thing in this by-election are THE CANDIDATES????

Wonder how low in importance are us plebs to the tories?...you know the VOTING PUBLIC, the mugs that pay their wages!!!

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Brian Reade on Maria Hutchings who shows the Tories just will not learn - Brian Reade - Mirror Online a bit of this lol .this shows they have nothing in common with the majority of society.

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a hairdresser from liverpool thats really big fish lol

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Funny how you never mentioned anything when Labour politicians were exposed for sending their kids to private schools. Well actually, it's not funny, it's just drearily predictable for a Labour party stooge like you.

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Labour, Tory, LibDem WTF - they are all THE SAME. Vote UKIP, vote ANYTHING ELSE. Get some change. This country has stagnated for too long!

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you really are a dick head

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Ha I was reading that Marr and Morrissey want Cameron to stop listening to the smiths

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Monster raving loony party?

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YES - anything else :D

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ha ha so why dont they go after the big fish oohh thats why they all go to the same gentlemens club.;)

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Stop acting like you've come across some big conspiracy its politics.