Originally Posted by Less (Post 1036714)

On the plus side, the folk have a local Tesco's now.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1036852)

i reiterate ,the tories the party of law and order BBC News - Sharp fall in young police officers so this is another ideology change .soon people will be saying we cant afford law and order.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1036881)

no 2 ideology gone buy your own house ie make more people unemployed or if employed make it temporary, low paid, take away employment rights etc. most of the country is thinking this look at the mori polls;)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1036714)

On the plus side, the folk have a local Tesco's now.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1036957)

Fact not fiction there are more people working in this country than ever before, hope your one of um:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1037132)

£4000 less:o f:oor the police

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1037132)

the party of law and order yep thats the tories ;) £4000 less:o f:oor the police and the truth of the big lie is here http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article37845.html

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1037141)

What you fail to mention is that the land of Uk is not the only country facing escalating costs for policing and public safety. The yanks have the same problem, and so do we. Some of the things that coppers have to do are a waste of time and money. The idiotic "War on Drugs" comes to mind.

Here's what's happ'nin in Canada:

The exploding cost of policing in Canada - Canada - CBC News

The article actually has some positive things to say about how the Brits are dealing with the problem.;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1037181)

Don't mind C'mon Eric he lives in his own "I hate the Tories Bubble" with blinkers on, never mentioning once the abortion of a Government they have had to follow, remember Liam Bern's little note left on his desk in the treasury, sorry there's no money left we've spent it all;)

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1037258)

I don't mind C'mon ... in fact, I myself can't stand tories: The only good tory is a suppository:alright: But, I do try to stay away from the blinkers.;)

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1037132)

the party of law and order yep thats the tories ;) £4000 less:o f:oor the police and the truth of the big lie is here http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article37845.html

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1037285)

Its £4k less for new people in the job. That is just about how much new people taken on doing my role will get. Its happening in many places not just the Police. They wont be getting a pay cut

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1037290)

Don't think it applies to Cmons Job of sweeping up Neil:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1037278)

I can't stand socialism myself:rolleyes: it promises so much yet gives nothing in return:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1037310)

The problem is, that the lines that used to differentiate the political parties have got so blurred in recent years, that even a labour government(called New Labour) was a shade of mauve, there is no such thing as socialism anymore....politicians are not in the job to ensure their constituents get a good deal(or even a fair deal), that their voice is listened to, that their wishes are heeded...they are in the job because it is a lifelong career, one which they can line their pockets, at our expense, live high on the hog while all the rest of us struggle to pay the bills.
One rule for them and another one for the rest of us. Democracy is a joke. If voting really changed anything they would stop us from doing it.

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1037330)

Does anyone know how long an MP have to serve before they get an MP's pension, and what sort of pension do they get?

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 1037330)

Does anyone know how long an MP have to serve before they get an MP's pension, and what sort of pension do they get?

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1037336)

they did try cleansing in westminster but got caught;) this is not new labour ,its one nation labour get with the times:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1037354)

One Nation Labour since when did Brown and Blair think of anybody but themselves:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1037335)

If this were the conspiracy theory thread, one might be tempted to argue that the pollicy of Thatcher's tories was to destroy the working class in order to wipe out Labour's support base:rolleyes: Similar to the strategy of von Falkenhayn at Verdun: render untenable the position of the British Army by bleeding the French army white.;)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1037358)

Probably the same amount of time as any leading Tory spent thinking of anyone but themselves.
Just lift your blinkers for a moment Jay and realise that you and C'mon are the opposite sides of the same coin.
Neither of you would ever consider the others party as having done anything good for you.
Whereas the rest of us consider that to be the case with members of most parties.
:o

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1037335)

If this were the conspiracy theory thread, one might be tempted to argue that the policy of Thatcher'stories was to destroy the working class in order to wipe out Labour's support base:rolleyes: Similar to the strategy of von Falkenhayn at Verdun: render untenable the position of the British Army by bleeding the French army white.;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1037377)

What utter rubbish and you know it, destroy the working class where pray would they go, there's no future of putting them on the dole which is what has and always will make a total nonsense of that statement. What Thatcher did was to put the Communist Trade Unions in their place, that fine body of men led by the likes of Bob Crow, they had him on "Have I got News for You" it was a toss up who was the worst ever panellist him or a tub of lard who once stood in for Roy Hattersley. All union leaders are more interested in their big bucks salaries and and the nice line in exes, only the other week big hearted Arthur took the MUM to court because they stopped one of his perk he was still receiving even though he retired years ago

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1037408)

Borrowed C'mon's blinders, and spray painted them blue, did we?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1037418)

Why the truth hurts does it Eric:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1037476)

Have you seen that advert on TV? The one for fat free Greek Yogurt....where they say it is a myth?
Every time I see it, I think of the political situation in this country. They(the ones who rule) let us believe that we can change things via the ballot box....when clearly, this is a myth since many of our rules, regulations and laws are being dreamt up by unelected(therefore unaccountable)bureaucrats in Brussels.....very soon if we continue going down this road, there will be no need for any MP's because we will just be the annexe of the EU........a puppet whose strings are jerked by those who hate us and would like to see Britain on it's knees. Something that couldn't be done with bombs is being done in a bloodless, but more humiliating way....they let us live, but only just.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1037455)

I've no idea ... never bumped into it in this sublunary world. But I do know that toryism, even your warm and fuzzy seeming version, never has been the party of the ordinary joe, .

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1037492)

Yes, but if those you elect via the democratic process then go on to do just what they want, following their own agenda, rather than that they were elected on, then the ballot box has failed...and this why there is so much apathy over voting...because voting changes little...so then people think, 'why am I doing this..it is a fruitless exercise' and they don't vote.

Even if voting were made compulsory...it would not change things....and much of this is because the parties have become so similar that it is hard to put a sheet of Bronco between them.....when I say the parties are similar, I don't mean their ideologies are similar(even though over the years the demarcation has become blurred), but that politics has become a career for greedy, self serving, men and women...who care little for the will of their constituents/electorate.
Or certainly, that is how it is seen.

They preach at us but make very few real decisive decisions....and the government we have now, does not have a majority...and neither did the last government........this is because some people didn't vote, or spoiled their paper or cast a vote for a party that had no chance of ever being elected as a protest against the main three parties.
The majority of the people in this country did not vote for the shower that we have running the country at the moment.

So the ballot box doesn't work....alas, I have no solutions that would solve the problem......other than a few barrels of gunpowder and a man with a mission(GF).

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1037616)

'Burying bad news' claim after ministers say who got £1.2million-worth of free London 2012 tickets - Telegraph tickets for the boys while workers slept under bridges.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 1037617)

...and right in the middle of the article comes this:

Last night Labour MP John Mann compared the decision to release the information during the Algerian hostage crisis with an attempt by a former adviser to Labour Cabinet minister Stephen Byers to “bury bad news” during the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

So the party you so slavishly support are just as bad! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1037625)

You know very well Wyn he only reads the headlines, so how would he know he was again shooting himself in the foot. I wouldn't know Cmon if I bumped into him in the street, but I'd have a good idea who he was, he'd have one hell of a limp with the number of times he's shot himself in the foot:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1037638)

Aww, Jay, I'm sorry, it's not that I don't care, I've been meaning to ask, how are your feet?
Put that double barreled shotgun down before you answer, Please.
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/shoot-foot.gif

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1037616)

'Burying bad news' claim after ministers say who got £1.2million-worth of free London 2012 tickets - Telegraph tickets for the boys while workers slept under bridges.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038283)

another 5300 on the dole:(

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1038399)

Silly jaysay..........Facts n cmon in the same sentence.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1038419)

Blame it on the pills John.

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1038422)

I'm sorry to hear cmon is on pills but that explains a lot.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1038532)

Well he's certainly on something which is obviously causing blindness to;)

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1038648)

Have his palms gone hairy too ? :s_aim1:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038896)

ohh well mr osbourne just as i predicted ,your an idiot;)

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038898)

were not alone in this like america, uhh ohhh america has growth ya liar osbourne.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038910)

he is on the news trying to defend his policies and telling blatant lies,again;) he says some of his back benchers, imf,the americans ,nick clegg{well maybe there lol** the opposition the statistics etc say his policies are working ha ha and theres nearly no pubs left in britain tax on beer in pubs has risen 25% since the tories came in.

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1038917)

GOOGLE TRANSLATE...

He is on the news......Alaister Stewart
Trying to defend...Dean Winnard
Telling blatant lies.. Pinocchio
Back bencher..Graham Jones
Americans..John Wayne, Barack Obama
Tories..Britcliffe, Jaysay

so.... Alaister Stewart, Dean Winnard and Pinocchio say that Graham Jones, John Wayne and Barack Obama are working (laugh) and there are almost no pubs in Britain. But the ones that are left were ok until Britcliffe and Jaysay came in after last orders and raised the prices by a quarter

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038896)

ohh well mr osbourne just as i predicted ,your an idiot;)

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038930)

this is how they fixed the dole statistics ,there are 100,000 odd stuck on schemes with at least 15,000 people on sanctions when they moved the goal posts and most jobs that have been created are part time or £2.50 an hour apprenticeships zero hours contracts and temporary.this means no mortgages less tax returns no wonder the economy is in a mess.

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1038917)

GOOGLE TRANSLATE...

He is on the news......Alaister Stewart
Trying to defend...Dean Winnard
Telling blatant lies.. Pinocchio
Back bencher..Graham Jones
Americans..John Wayne, Barack Obama
Tories..Britcliffe, Jaysay

so.... Alaister Stewart, Dean Winnard and Pinocchio say that Graham Jones, John Wayne and Barack Obama are working (laugh) and there are almost no pubs in Britain. But the ones that are left were ok until Britcliffe and Jaysay came in after last orders and raised the prices by a quarter

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038945)

we will have to agree to disagree but thats the truth ive seen the figures;).

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038945)

we will have to agree to disagree but that's the truth Ive seen the figures;).

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

ripp ing of the hard worker, the salt of the earth and laughing at them.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1038930)

this is how they fixed the dole statistics ,there are 100,000 odd stuck on schemes with at least 15,000 people on sanctions when they moved the goal posts and most jobs that have been created are part time or £2.50 an hour apprenticeships zero hours contracts and temporary.this means no mortgages less tax returns no wonder the economy is in a mess.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1038994)

And Labour governments never massaged the figures did they?
Though you never spoke of those did you? You are a one trick pony......you blather on about the same old same old.....much of it which doesn't affect you much seeing as you are over the border.
Anyway, it will all be alright when you are a new member of the EU(after good old Alex gets his way).

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1039591)

nope your not.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1039581)

And how many believe your fearless leader when he talks of a kinda non-combat role for British troops?

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1039707)

That's how the Americans got embroiled in S.E.A, it may start out as advisory but then the next thing you know it's boots on the ground where the metal meets the meat & it's Iraq - Afghanistan all over again.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1039729)

I aggree ... at least 100%; but what's bugging my ass is that I can't figure out why:confused: I mean why would Canada send JTF/FOI 2 to, well, guard an office building and a flying truck? It's like having the SAS do crowd control at a Stanley home game.:rolleyes: It's a BS reason. But, in countries like Canada and the UK, both parliamentary democracies, at least some info has to be handed out to the great unwashed. Of course, Mali is a good place to have stuff like this happen. Not too many of us know where it is, and most of those don't give a flying you-know-what. Most folks are too busy catching up on CSI and Pawn Stars.:D In Iraq, it was oil; in Afghanistan it was a war on Osama's mob ... sort of died down when the SEALS wasted him. But Mali:confused: Ah well, enough wondering and wandering; I'm off to Rhea's fine drinking establishment for a few pints of Alexander Keith's fine Nova Scotia ale:theband:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1039630)

You've no sense to start with;)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1040055)

Eric, it isn't just about the tories being a revolting bunch(all the political parties are much the same when you look at them.....a-holes every one) but the fact that C'mon didn't spend anywhere near as much time criticising Bliar(no, not a typo) and Brown for their political policies...spending money like it was going out of fashion with never a thought to where it was going to come from(us, the taxpayer) taking us into a conflict we should never have embarked upon, allowing unprecedented immigration in the hope that this would secure their tenure.........so please, don't try and tell me that any of them are worth a tuppenny candle.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1040071)

Thank Goodness for that Eric.........I had your card marked as an astute fellow, I don't have to change my mind after all(it is a hard thing to do when you get to my age, because first, you have to find it)!

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1040055)

Eric, it isn't just about the tories being a revolting bunch(all the political parties are much the same when you look at them.....a-holes every one) but the fact that C'mon didn't spend anywhere near as much time criticising Bliar(no, not a typo) and Brown for their political policies...

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1040082)

To be honest Marg, he never said a word...

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1040113)

Didn't he criticise them about post offices/postal service or something?....I am saying this because he made a comment saying he had criticised t hem just once....and I said I would need tangible proof of that. Lo and behold someone posted a link to it - Si, it might even have been you.
But hey you have to get things into perspective....all that money they spent on useless projects, the war we went into, that lost young men their lives because of lies told about WMD...the tinkering about with social engineering, the mass uncontrolled immigration, multicuturalism....and what does C'mon worry most about...why?.....the blooming post office/postal services. Talk about having sensible priorities.
Well, No...you can't put sense into bone.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1040080)

Well it never really matters to Eric, in those historic 13 years he was in his cabin in the Canadian outback drinking strong beer while the world passed by:rolleyes::rolleyes:;)

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1040155)

Yup, in those "historic 13 years", it was real boring over here. Governments were doing oh hum things like paying down the debt, controlling deficits, developing natural resources, putting money into health care and education, making sure that banks and financial institutions didn't lend money to ninjas, avoiding the Iraq conflict, etc. Things would have been a lot better if the US and Europe hadn't screwed up ... but, we did ok. And we would be doing a helluva lot better right now if the EU could get their shiite (or is it "sunni":confused:) together.;)

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1040155)

Yup, in those "historic 13 years", it was real boring over here. Governments were doing oh hum things like paying down the debt, controlling deficits, developing natural resources, putting money into health care and education, making sure that banks and financial institutions didn't lend money to ninjas, avoiding the Iraq conflict, etc. Things would have been a lot better if the US and Europe hadn't screwed up ... but, we did ok. And we would be doing a helluva lot better right now if the EU could get their shiite (or is it "sunni":confused:) together.;)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1040168)

Maybe your government could come over here and give our worthless feckless politicians, a lesson or two in how things should be done.
As for the EU.....please, Eric...don't get me started on that. I have had my blood pressure peak for the day!

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1040176)

Here follows a gratuitous link to keep Less happy:

Slow Cooker Texas Pulled Pork Recipe - Allrecipes.com

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1040176)

This isn't the first time in British history that an advantage in industrial capacity was squandered. It happened in the late nineteenth century too.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1040055)

(all the political parties are much the same when you look at them.....a-holes every one) ..so please, don't try and tell me that any of them are worth a tuppenny candle.