Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1053273)

rome wasnt built in a day patience boy;):D

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1053273)

rome wasnt built in a day patience boy;):D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1053228)

I still think the idea of poll tax is fair, the amount it was set at wasn't

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1053257)

I never accuse anyone on here of telling porkies but in your case I could make an exception.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1053264)

You going to answer my question yet? You're quick enough to spout about problems and all for answers but never give any if your own. Again what is your plan b?[/QUO
rome wasnt built in a day patience boy;):D

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1053301)

And if labour had had their way it'd have been built using PFI. ;)

That is as long as the unions didn't get involved.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1053313)

Funny he's never mentioned PFI Dave:rolleyes: maybe he couldn't find a link;)

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 1053326)

Nah............He can't spell it.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1053327)

Never give that a thought Roy:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1053332)

Thats always been the Major problem wi Tories,= They can't think things through properly.:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1053310)

I've always said that Neil, its people who use services not houses, if the rate had have been £50 per person, still with the safety net, it would have been fine, but at the rate it was set it was ridiculous

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1054064)

With me being a young lad and you of more senior years please explain something to me.
When poll tax came along with the level it was set at did it mean most households were paying the same or more money?

It started in 1990 which was just when I moved into a rented house in Burnley (It's rare that I admit it) with my ex-wife. I have no idea what the rates would have been at that time.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1054070)

The poll tax was an administrators nightmare.

For those who wanted to avoid it it was easy just to waive your right to vote by not registering on any electoral list.

Houses stay put - people don't, and some move house often.

The task of keeping track of people would be formidable (and expensive)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1054071)

It was ridiculous Neil, can't remember the exact figures now, but say a family two adults and two kids over 18, paying the rates would cost something like £200 a year, when the Community Charge came in it was something like £285 per head average was around 400% or 500% up on what they were paying, stupidity personified. if the rate had been much lower it would have been more acceptable and would have worked, the galling thing is Michael Portillo said at the time it would be a vote winning not a loser. Ken Hargreaves never supported the Government in one vote during its passage through the system, despite being harangued nearly ever day during that period by the whips

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1054076)

If the poll tax brought in more money to the Council than the rates system where did the Councils get that extra money from before?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1054082)

Government, in fact they were thinking of scrapping Rates altogether but came up with the Community Charge Neil, which was quickly changed to Council Tax, I'm still not convinced that this is the right way of paying for local services, but its been with us for over 20 years now and until somebody comes up with something different it looks like being with us for the time being, you'll never find something which satisfies all of the people, but until they come up with something different looks like we're stuck with it. Having said that the Community Charge used correctly would have been the answer, if it was implemented today at a reasonable level it could work, but like anything there are winners and losers, and losers will always make their voice heard

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1054083)

As said before - tracking people is not as easy as houses. It should be though, what we need is ID cards with the government knowing who everyone is and where they are ;)

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1054083)

As said before - tracking people is not as easy as houses. It should be though, what we need is ID cards with the government knowing who everyone is and where they are ;)

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1054085)

The ID card was one step away from the microchip implant.

I don't want to be treated like a pet animal - do you?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1054090)

It is a long way from that. If you have nothing to hide why does it matter?

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1054092)

When you are aware that microchips can contain 'hidden extras', you might not be so complacent.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1054092)

When you are aware that microchips can contain 'hidden extras', you might not be so complacent.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1054097)

The thing is I really don't care. My life is far to busy to worry about people controlling me.

Why are you wasting what little time you have left worrying about things you have no control over and can't change?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 1054097)

The thing is I really don't care. My life is far to busy to worry about people controlling me.

Why are you wasting what little time you have left worrying about things you have no control over and can't change?

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1054101)

I don't 'worry' - just observe.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054025)

and every day im being proved right osborne is really an idiot.we now owe more than we ever did:confused: The error that could subvert George Osborne's austerity programme | Politics | The Guardian

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054292)

as another credit agency downgrades the uk ,the imf tell osborne to change policy what does osborne do he spends more money by taking the eu to court to protect his banking mates the guys an idiot.everybody knows my plan b Ive wrote it enough times on here lol everybody knows my opinion i go on about it enough.i predicted years ago osbournes policies wouldn't work i wrote in on here i was ridiculed but when i was proved right the silence was deafening .first i would nationalize the railways as they would bring in revenue as the eastern line brought in £620 million for the taxpayer and was voted best railway line. i would stop the billions wasted paid out to private companies who are doing a worse job than the civil service ever did the facts and figures are there.i would create an integrated transport system which would save companies billions and bring in revenue for the taxpayer.i would re-nationalize the utilities to make it more affordable for the public,to make more spending power in the economy.i would let the bankers get as much as they want as a bonus .i would shut all the loopholes and tax the bonus more raising more revenue.i would encourage companies to be more social cohesion minded with sustainable permanent full time jobs.i would make employment agencies be ruled by law like the germans .http://library.fes.de/pdf-files/gurn/00326.pdf

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054294)

ill add more tomorrow .

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054330)

cut and paste i dont think so, all of my own work.ill give you a rest today im away out to ayr to watch the scottish grand national.;)

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054292)

i would make employment agencies be ruled by law like the germans .

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054330)

im away out to ayr to watch the scottish grand national.;)

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1054356)

Oh deary me, horse racing? The sport of kings (so by that logic, the rich & toffs you so despise)? For shame C'mon, your Socialist/Marxist masters would surely disapprove .......... wouldn't they? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1054405)

He'll have reported back that he's only there to observe, he will be hating every moment of it.
:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1054414)

While putting a tenner on the 100/1 shot. :)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1054422)

Property is theft, only when someone else has got their paws on it therefore a wallet full of beer tokens is a really bigger theft,

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1054405)

He'll have reported back that he's only there to observe, he will be hating every moment of it.
:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054947)

heres something that might interest people What you need to know about Atos assessments. | kittysjones

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1054123)

You're back yet not answering your own question. What is your plan b?

My opinion on you is that one of your friends said the tories were bad so you thought you'd come on here to feel big. But you do not have the intellect to create an argument so you spend your time copy and pasting links and avoiding any direct questions like the plague due to you not actually having a clue what you are talking about. Then when one of the links you have posted has something wrong with it like the dates you claim it was a test or you were joking.

If you would like to prove me wrong you could start answering questions posed to you or give your own opinion before demanding one from others.

But my guess is you will ignore this or reply with a sarcastic comment as usual.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054974)

:D i started plan b.but been a bit busy lol so ill finish it off at the weekend as my diary is free.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1054334)

Hope your soon better, like your paste from the Guardian above:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054974)

:D i started plan b.but been a bit busy lol so ill finish it off at the weekend as my diary is free.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1054991)

wasting more on ideology .where did gove find £1 billion to waste on this:confused: School academies overspent by £1bn, public accounts committee says | Education | The Guardian

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1055163)

what question was that:confused:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1055773)

this was plan A people forgot about this.Black Wednesday (BBC 1997) - YouTube

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1055058)

Yawn come back when you have an opinion of your own. Stop posting rubbish and avoiding questions.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1055163)

what question was that:confused:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1055186)

Think tommi was asking about your plan b

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1055773)

this was plan A people forgot about this.

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1055835)

And once again C'mon you've ignored the questions asked & instead come back with another "Copy & paste" jobber. Not only that, but it's from the BBC (You know, those totally unbiased reporters of events).

How very unexceptional of you! One of Glasgows great "Thinkers" shows once again his urbanity. :rolleyes: Bring back the Mancie, please! He may have been rabid, blinkered, boorish & offensive, but at least it was all his own original dogmatic thoughts & gripes.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056208)

i say this with a tear in my eye,what future is this country giving the youth of today.are we that selfish that we shouldnt give what we had during our lifetime,an institution that was part of the great in britain. i cant believe we let go without a fight.Is the NHS safe in his hands? | Express Comment | Comment | Daily Express

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056164)

george osborne has taken the country back to Monetarism ie creating a recession to control inflation. he is a loony;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1056232)

Sorry we're not in recession, if we were you'd have been jumping through rings rejoicing last week, sadly you were nowhere to be seen;)

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1056242)

Had to chuckle though Jay when Osborne announced the figures last week. I bet he had the Treasury Officials looking under desks and in all the other nooks and crannies to find every last penny to nudge us into the black.;)

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056219)

no actually im working out which macroeconomics policy to have ,which is more economical and the way to implement it.im not ignoring the question im studying the form:confused:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056371)

i do actually lol a lot more than you ever will. im looking at figures just now and they point to we will be in recession in the next figures.and jaysay if you think 2,6 million on the official dole queue people 7 million people not working more than 30 hours is rosy your having a giraffe your a mentalist living on past ideology that brought us to where we are now and beyond.the tories are dinosaurs of politics using outdated policies.creating a recession to control inflation is mental in this age.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1056409)

Ok then if you have such a grasp on the economy. What is your plan B?

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1056409)

Ok then if you have such a grasp on the economy. What is your plan B?

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056668)

this is what you called thick.trying to save money but organising and selling the civil service is a serious conflict of interest and wast of money because we will be bailing them out.this is one thing in my manifesto which would not be happening .this is one thing i would put in law.a conflict of interest law. Im putting a link in JUST TO PROVE IT.The great Civil Service sell-off: Dozens of services and 75,000 staff set to be transferred to private sector - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056668)

this is what you called thick.trying to save money but organising and selling the civil service is a serious conflict of interest and wast of money because we will be bailing them out.this is one thing in my manifesto which would not be happening .this is one thing i would put in law.a conflict of interest law. Im putting a link in JUST TO PROVE IT.The great Civil Service sell-off: Dozens of services and 75,000 staff set to be transferred to private sector - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1053163)

see the plan is still working;) Work Program can't keep up with number of jobless, government told | Society | The Observer
forget about history its about the future we need a plan b.the thing is the people on the work program are included in the employment figures,so what are the real unemployment figures? by my estimate their are 300,000 on the work program,does this really mean the unemployment figures have really still being going up?

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1056712)

14/04 is when I asked you what your plan b was and you've avoided the question continuously while posting rubbish. Answer the question.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1056753)

He must be a politician!

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1056681)

You can bet your bottom dollar that it will be more efficient than it is now, it has to be, the tax payer will no longer be funding from that bottomless pit.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056864)

e-uuup gove's plans are aiding extremists and apartheid just as i predicted. Muslim free school plans on hold over 'extremism' claims - Telegraph

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1056842)

so a private company does it for profit for its shareholders.so they will be doing it on the cheap, selling peoples details to the highest bidder and what is being proved now, they are performing worse than the civil service ever did .this is not for the good of the country if it is give me the facts and figures and plus points for the people of Britain.is it saving money, is It good value for the taxpayer, is it good macroeconomics ? we need radical ideas this is a spent ideology that has cost Britain more money than the welfare bill ever has.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1056890)

Again what is your plan b? I said you didn't have a clue and you claim you do prove it!!!

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1056896)

Looks like your not getting an answer tommi :idunno:

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1056985)

I know I think he may be lying when he says he knows about economics.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1056894)

But for private companies the jobless in this country would be in the 10s of millions, so what is your problem with private enterprise, nationalised industry doesn't work never has never will, The point is the private sector would do a lot better job with a hell of a lot less paper pushers end of story. By the way where was your last place of gainful employment bet it was the private sector;)

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1057019)

I agree with most of what you say, but, there should be some industries that aren't privatised (or at least majority nationalised with the government owning 51%). What we basically have now is the French, German, US and others owning the infrastructure of our country. Even if by some miracle we actually get out of the EU, the Europeans will still own half the country and the Indians, Japanese and US will own the rest.

That is until the Koreans buy them all out ;):D

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1057534)

now i wonder how this will affect people with a student loan if its the same as royal mail we are goosed:confused::confused: Government may sell 40 billion pound student loan book - report | Reuters

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1056890)

Again what is your plan b? I said you didn't have a clue and you claim you do prove it!!!

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1057561)

i have got a clue but lets not get to the truth eh;) put it this way i wouldnt give the banks billions to give loans and promise to write them off if the loanees default.if you believe thats right your off your rocker lol;)

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1057578)

no, there is a couple of things of tory policy i agreed with but they dont have the policies now. like buying your own home but theyve changed their policy on that.

Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 1057583)

So what's your plan b?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1057584)

To avoid telling yeh he understands PlanA.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 1058398)

see i told you this is the end game.any working class person whoo votes tory are off their rocker Recession is a good time to boost profits, says Cameron aide | Business | The Observer

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1058442)

Any working class person that votes Labour are even more off their rockers, since when have labour, done anything for anybody prepared to get of their arses and go out to work, They're a bit like the Socialist Workers Party, their only rule is you don't work on any day that has a "Y" in its spelling;)