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you mean russia has a lot of 1 arm bandits:D:D:D:D

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So, Britain will have the highest growth rate of any of the major advanced economies this year, according to the IMF!
Higher than the USA, Germany,France, Italy, Spain, Japan and Canada. In 2015 we'll still be up there!
Just think how well we'd be doing if the Lib/Dems didn't keep getting in the way!

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well retail sales are in these figures, i would guess the thousands of visas given to the chinese for them to spend their cash in overseas hedge fund owned shops in london came in handy . the majority of workers with their no pay rise , rise in inflation and the people working for nothing but included in employment figures , the worker struggling on 16 hours a week classed as full time employed or the working class being forced out of london will be overjoyed by these figures and statistics :rolleyes:

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My guru, you're losing your fervour!
What took you so long to bite? Sorry, respond.
UK unemployment 6.5%
Spain 25%
Portugal 15.1%
Italy 12.6%
Ireland 11.6%
France 10.1%
We've a long way to go but we seem to be getting there better than many countries.
What's wrong with the Chinese spending in London shops? Better here than in the euro zone. Anyway, most of it is money we spent on stuff from them or is USA debt.
Remember where we were in 2010 when the Labour Govt. and the bankers had finished wrecking our economy? Never mind rises, we'd no money left to pay wages.
Yes there are some poor jobs and poor wages but at last we're going the right way.
And no-one on the IMF has suggested we're fiddling the figures.
With growth will come pay rises, as the Chinese are finding out to their horror. Be patient.
Why do you think immigrants from all over the world want to come here, whether to work or for benefits? They'll ride,walk or hang under lorries right through the EU to get here- the land of opportunity for them whether or not they work.
Where else in Europe( or the world) could a Romanian immigrant earn £1800/month( he says) and get £4600/month benefits? He'd have to earn £125,000 before tax to get all that by working. Still not happy, he wants a bigger house as he lied and said he had 6 children when he actually had 15. You wait, he'll get one, you can afford it.

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Please will you explain what you mean by being forced out of London?

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think he means the rich buy up houses leaving pooer people born there unable to afford homes in areas where they grew up

a bit like what is happeneing and has happened all over the UK

a place becomes desirable so the rich pay large amounts of money to live there which puts house prices out of reach of your average person

not just london its how its been for years i think what stired it up was a tory MP saying if you cant afford to live in london go get a job in manchester

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in europe the figures are counted differently they only count people on jsa not the ones who are not allowed to claim ,wont claim , not allowed to claim or on the sick, on a work placement ,or the half a year wages they have given employers to employ people who will do it all over again the next year the time of the sustainable job for the working class is over . when people are losing the debate they always bring an immigration story up. if the tories were serious about changing this they have had 5 years to do it;) the labour party must be the most powerful political party in the world to create a world wide recession lol if you look at national statistics before the crash in 2008 the deficit was coming down. the debt only went back up after the billions were paid out to save the banks which if they were left to crash there would have been mayhem . remember we were out of recession when the tories won the election they took us back into it. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...QazZUcWc#gid=9 osborne is a fiddler of the highest order lol

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i forgot to mention, i have been speaking to a lot of economic immigrants and asked them why they came to britain? the answer is so called companies set up employment agencies put advertisements on local tv radio papers etc with pictures of london etc bring them across provide somewhere to live . pay under the national minimum wage . if they complain they are out on their ear with no where to live.

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you have no clue matey in london rent has rose average 35% because all the russians who have donated to the tories are buying up everthing for assets to avoid paying tax. this is the reason why fulham and hammersmith david cameron's favourite borough council is now under labour control with more of london to go the same way.

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what i find laughable is that you constantly slag off the torys and accuse them of been underhand and it was your beloved New Labour that dragged us into an illigal war causing unnessecarry deaths to our troops and not only had teh expenses scandal happen on tehir watch but made damn sure no MPs of any standing went to prison for it

iv never been a tory supporter and never will be but your shower of shat are just as vile and corrupt if not worse

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You're forgetting, accyman, Saint Tony has led the boys(from the front, of course) on two Crusades!

Iraq, just a side show really. Only 179 of his Crusaders dead. I wonder, if he was honest (is that possible), whether he might prefer Saddam to Isis?

Afghanistan- he got serious there, over 450 dead, over 7000 admitted to hospital, over 600 of them with serious injuries.
The end result- our young men sit in Camp Bastion waiting to come home, can't leave the base because the Taliban have walked, unhindered, back into the whole of Helmand province that they fought and died for.

To cap his success, it only cost us £8.4 billion in Iraq and £37 billion in Afghanistan, no wonder the cupboard was bare when he and Gordon got kicked out. Perhaps cmon could tell us how many doctors, nurses, policemen etc. that would have paid for!

Tony- cmon's hero. Heaven save us from any more like him!

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What you two forget is that there are none so blind than those who turn the other way to avoid seeing what is clear to the rest of us.
We can discuss this until the last trump, C'mon is never ever going to accept that the Liebour party did anything that was against the common man.

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cmon is a prime example of the turn up on election day and vote for absolutlely anyone or anything as long as its under the labour flag

you could be the biggest slimeball going but as long as you stand for the right party in the area you choose you wont loose an election

Malcome pritchard is a prime example of that he stood for as party he knew woudl get votes and despite his previous underhand tactics he still won then shat all over his ward for a second time by switching parties within seconds of been announced the winner

if M pritchard stands and wins again im going to have to conclude that the water is been tampered with in teh area or people have simply got dumb

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Accyman......nail, head, direct hit!

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C'mon, in spite of what many think of the way he posts, does hint, more than hint, at the, lets call it a fallacy, of the figures showing positive growth in the British Economy. In some sense, (some may call it non-sense;)), the figures are irrelevant ... except to politicians and the avid readers of the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal. What is important, and what is not happening, is that some of this wealth should, to use a Reaganomics term, "trickle down" to the bottom 99% (or maybe it's 95%:eek:) But it ain't happnin' folks. And maybe it's time to listen to those our there who believe that the greatest threat to political and social stability in the world is not militant Islam, the US military, North Korea, drug cartels, or what ever else you care to think of, it is the unequal distribution of the World's wealth. The outrageously over-compensated are rubbing their hands in glee at the positive figures for the UK economy. The ones barely getting by are consoling themselves with "thank god, at least it isn't going to get any worse."

And I don't believe that New Labour is going address the fundamental problem of the economic inequities in British Society. But solved they must be. The under-compensated are not going to lie quiescent for ever.

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I think that most of us have a healthy.....or perhaps that should be cynical perspective on figures released by governments, or on behalf of governments.
There have always been financial inequalities. I am not saying it is right.
If those huge multinational corporations were chased for the taxes they owed......If those who have children who were not resident in the Uk were prevented from claiming for these children.....if, if, if.
There would be funds to ensure those who are truly disabled, those who are truly in need to have enough to make ends meet.

Tax loopholes have existed for a long time. These allow those big companies to evade tax, but pensioners are being sent intimidating letters to retrieve a few hundred pounds that they have underpaid....not through any fault of their own, but due to HMRC miscalculations.

So the tax net catches the little flies, but the big ones sail straight through.
NO GOVERNMENT OF ANY COLOUR HAS ADDRESSED THIS......yet they have all had the opportunity.

You are right about some of the money trickling down........so far it hasn't happened.
Although we are told that things on the financial front have improved, there are many who are not feeling this in real terms.
The inequalities will not end anytime soon.......and we can forget the maxim that 'we are all in it together'.

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Was there ever a time in the history of the human race when 'the rich didn't get the gravy and the poor the bleeding blame'?
Has any country, empire or government ever resolved it? Even for a short time?
Any Empire you can name-any country you can name- has always had the very rich and the very poor, whatever system they use, capitalism, communism, dictatorship, democracy.

It's a lamentable condition of human nature to try to get richer at someone else's expense.

Has any revolution ever rectified it? No, the rich have been removed and the leaders of the poor have become the rich and powerful. very often those new rich have given the poor a harder time than the old rich did. Always the bulk of the poor have remained at the bottom.

Just like killing people because you don't like their religion, colour, race or just feel like killing- it's part of our nature, our species isn't a very nice one and hasn't improved over thousands of years, in fact we've got better at both habits.

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Well, that's a bs cop out if ever I heard, or read one. What is this "human nature" you talk about? And why, if it is a "lamentable condition", is it tolerated? And, "Its the same the whole world over; it's the poor what gets the blame" is a line from a rugby song, not a reasoned analysis of the global economy. Try thinking outside the cliche ... or, just try thinking.

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Yes sir, I'll go to the bottom of your class(you have one?).
You haven't heard of human nature? Look it up.
So, with your wisdom, what is your answer, solution, suggestion to solve the rich getting richer, the poor staying poor?
I'm sure the world awaits your pearls.

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it seems that in this world the mantra is 'To those who have, more shall be given, and for those who have not, all shall be taken away'
Capitalism has no conscience about the poor. It does not see them.....business knows no ethics, other than the ethics of making a profit in whatever way it can.
It is humans who run businesses, who look for profit....governments are complicit because they know that along the way they will benefit.

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if i had a broken neck and a MP especially a labour MP told me he sky was blue i would firstly put my hand over my wallet then look up to the sky no matte rhow much it may hurt to check.

i would have put got my carer to hold my wallet and manouver my head to a looking up position but the tory scumbags have taken carers away

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Seems like it's time to get out the shovel.

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And the sweet smelling spray

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You mean , there is a sweet smelling spray that can take away the smell that is left by a party who was intent on taking this country into a conflict that it should have had no part in???
The shovel? That is to bury the truth about the responsibility for this act......then the poor service personnel who lost their young lives in the pursuit of Tony Blair's hubristic ambitions.
We are all (in every part of the world and by every political party ever formed) fed what these people deem we should be told. They do not tell us the truth...they treat us like we are five and still believe in the tooth fairy and Santa.
There are three types of truth. Your truth, their truth and then there is what really happened.
We have seen it so many times, lies cover up, fudges.
Like Accyman I believe nothing that politicians tell me. If that is, or sounds cynical it is the way life has formed me.

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i think this should have a thread on its own, not only has news companies eing selective about their reports but george osborne has borrowed more money in 4 and a half years than the last labour government did in 13 years . as i have said all along this government are out of their depth. the truth will come out after the next general election. Budget 2014: the six scary graphs » Spectator Blogs

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He's had to borrow, there's nothing left to flog off to make the figures look better, they've already got rid of it all on the cheap.

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Cmon seems to forget the cupboard was bare.:rolleyes: n i despise the Tories.

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Cashy not only was the cupboard bare there were two promissory notes to the rentman...and three to the utility companies.

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At next years election, Laboour could and should win alot of the debates on secondary issues such as education, transport, etc
But when it comes to economics, they are still living in cloud cuckoo land.
They still keep promising to spend money the country hasnt got, and there explaination from where this money will come from is always the same - tax the bankers!

I really dont want to see Ed Balls anywhere near the next government, especially not as chancellor.

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whoever wins the next election are bind to spend the same amount of money, it going to be where they spend that money. i see david cameron is spouting off about putin lol the rest of the world are laughing at him. a government who have weakened the british army ,navy, and infrastructure of the country they just ignore him as they know he is out of his depth.

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Perhaps the reason the rest of the world wisely ignore him is because the last Prime Minister to rattle a saber whilst sucking on America's bush, proved to be a liar and got a lot of folk needlessly killed?
I wouldn't trust or take a British PM seriously in world politics after that.

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Strange isn't it? C'mon was on line when I posted that, still reading the thread, no answer, or is it that he has no answer will wait a few days then go off at yet another tangent wildly accusing the Tories, never to answer it.
Seems normal for him, call the Tories but NEVER agree Labour stink of the same swill.

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Not strange at all Less, par fer the coarse wi Cmon. Thats whats lost him any credibility he may have had many years ago.:rolleyes:

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How about this Labour mistake by Gordon Brown, buy diesel cars and pay less road tax so we can rip you off later

Diesel car drivers 'betrayed' as EU cracks down on Britain over air pollution - Telegraph

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There's no Labor any more, as far as I can see. And New Labour is worse than than the Tories. At least the Tories have stood by their "principles", or lack of them. New Labor has sold out for a mess of pottage, or a pail of swill.;) There's no more of "standing up for what you believe" and damn the election results. Seems like it's all about power. Principle has been flushed down the bog.

And the Lib-Dems ... whatever the hell they are ... total idiots. Clegg actually had the gall to say that the Israeli response to daily rocket attacks was "over reacting":rolleyes: And the response to 9-11 was what? Why don't we spend over a trillion dollars, and too much of our soldiers' blood, to wreck a stable - ish country; kill hundreds of thousands; and destabilize a whole region.:rolleyes:? Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone. (And we all know JC's response: "Mother, sometimes you just pee me right off."):D

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A Police Officer was sacked recently for having sex whilst on duty. When Prescott did this they gave him a peerage.

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but john prescott is sexy

http://www.b3ta.cr3ation.co.uk/data/jpg/prescott.jpg

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Had a couple of TORY councillors round the other night canvassing in Baxenden. They hadn't a bloody clue.....asked them about privatising the NHS and how it is crucifying the service and quality of care given to patients...they didnt know what to say except "er what about the care you get with BUPA"....I said who the heck in ACCY can afford to pay BUPA rates"...they just shrugged their shoulders....asked them about the extra windturbines that 99% of people dont want...she said I dont agree with them..but then said she wasnt allowed to vote against them because she had an underlying interest in something or other that was connected to them......All she kept saying was "would you spend money you didnt have like the Labour Govt did"...when I said but the TORY govt is now borrowing and spending money they dont have...she said " well they aren't borrowing as much"......I suppose she paid for her Mortgage in cash then, rather than borrowing off the bank money she doesnt have.... to pay for her home......CLUELESS

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When was Prescott ever in the Police force?????????????????

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Some of us in Ossy can, it's part of my benefits package with work. Unfortunately it only covers me, if I had started working for them a few years earlier it would have covered the rest of my family.

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Also unfortunately Neil, i worked wi guy in late 80s who had the same package wi work, until he had summat that couldn't be cured, BUPA then removed him from their register.:( see the implications then if we ever lose the NHS? summat these Tory scumbags would love to do.:(

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I think most packages have limits. So does the NHS though and it was in the news recently again how they wont pay for some life prolonging cancer treatment drugs

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No they won't pay for some cancer drugs but they willl pay for a donor sperm bank so that single women/lesbians can become mothers.
Talk about having your priorities skewed.

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It's down to life choices, if I was a lesbian, I would do anything to avoid a cock up.
So what alternative can we as a caring society do to ensure they get a house, benefits and an alternative to working for a living?
Personally I wouldn't allow them to claim unless the sperm donor is willing to contribute to the child's upkeep, the winker.

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Having a child is not a 'right'.......you might say that having treatment for cancer isn't a right either......having cancer could kill you(even though the chances of a remission are greatly improved)....not becoming a mother because your sexuality is of a same sex partnership, will not kill you(not directly anyway).

The drug that is going to give women six months longer to live is seen as 'uneconomic'...this, despite the fact that those who have trialled the drug have lived far longer than the six months this drug is supposed to extend life by.

The drug has been in development for more than ten years....the company that developed it(Roche) have offered the drug at 60% of its cost, but still the NHS say it is uneconomic......they only wanted to pay 40% of the cost.

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Out of interest where yeh told yer package had limits when it was given yeh? cos i know fer sure this chap wasn't.;)

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Of course having a child isn't a right, if a lesbian chooses to have a child without physical contact with a man, she should go to the pound shop get a turkey baster, use that, but the guy should still be classed as the father and be on the birth certificate and contribute to its upkeep before she can claim any benefits.
Otherwise it's an unfair system for 'natural' parents.

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Before I get childless couples wanting to get me stoned, you, I am happy with the system helping, an unfortunate couple prepared to bring a child up in a normal, he verses she environment is something to be encouraged.

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Less....I agree with both of your last two posts.
A very common sense approach. If we can see this then why on earth can't the powers that be see it too?
Oh yes, because it contravenes the skewed idea of equality......the two females can reproduce without the help of a male......an easier task than two males reproducing without a female.

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Here here....

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Holy feces batperson:eek: How come I never run into childless couples like that.:D

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Of all the folk in all the world, how come I put you at the top of the list of suspects that would take my word twisting exactly right?

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I have never looked into it but know quite a few of the lads have used it. Only been there 8 years and still haven't got round to finding out how I would use the service if I needed to :D

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Neil....I hope that remains the case for a very long time.

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So do I thank you :D

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dont be too keen a childless couple wanting to get you stoned may be an islamic couple and tehir interpritation of getting stoned is a whole different ball game ;)

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the tories the party of law and order;)

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No comments to last nights debate then?

The Welshy bleating for the Sheep to get more, the heiress to Wee Eck, geeinit large for the Jockeens, Mr.Ed ,lost without Grommit for guidance, Posh boy Ca-moron keeping largely quiet to save face, the Cleggit being the Cleggit woeful & washed up, The Farage, immigration & europe at the root of everything & finally that Aussie binter endorsing more tree hugging!

And bolixticans can't understand the despondency towards politics by the general public.

Still, for my choice I'd give the best performance on the night to the Nige, if only for upsetting the apple cart & irking all the whinging, limp wristed, spineless, multiculti loving, pussy lefty liberalists.

Just my opinion mind & if I've offended some of you out there ............. well just do one, as I ain't bothered in the least. :D

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Winners on the night were the SNP and UKIP. They will be the two key parties in propping up the Big Two.

Only difference is that while the SNP will take seats from Labour, UKIP are likely to decimate the Tory vote in the cosy home counties without delivering many seats.

My money is on a Labour/SNP Coalition after the election. :eek:

We'll have to prepare ourselves for compulsory haggis, caber tossing and deep fried Mars Bars.

:confused::confused::confused:

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He sure seemed to be the one among the limeys to be least reliant on the usual political bs. And his distaste for the EU will be very popular, especially with those who still feel that "the wogs begin at Calais" (or, for some, "the Trent.";))

Felt a tad sorry for Clegg. His low key middle-of-the-road message, which might be the best for the country, got drowned out.

Kinda impressed by Nicola Sturgeon, although I have a feeling that the SNP will eventually go the way of the Bloc Quebecois.

Whatever ... It is time for an end to austerity, especially the kind where the rich get richer, the bankers who [deleted] up get bonuses, and the poor get the shaft. The things that are under threat are not "benefits" granted by a benevolent ruling class; they were fought for by the folks that tories despise. Those who voted Labour in the the 1945 General Election realized this.

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And a new National Anthem::D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIekZvhyrsk

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A most disturbing scenario indeed, a Nationalist party hand in hand with a Socialist party doesn't exactly inspire feelings of confidence to my mind.

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I am trying my very best to avoid all the hooha of the political broadcasts.( I am already heartily sick of the sound bites )

To my mind these televised debates add nothing tangible to the situation and it makes the politicians look more like celebrities than jobbing politicians......and in any case words are just that...words...they mean absolutely nothing without actions to follow them up.

Isn't it surprising how all parties, when in opposition know exactly how the show should be run....but when in power they make a right ducks foot of it all.
At the end of it all we do not have a person with enough leadership skills to ensure the country is managed properly.....by any party, or group of parties.

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They could call themselves the 'National Socialists' ;)

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The thought had crossed my mind & as Wallace sits round in nr10 with his toady balls :eek: advising how best to screw the economy up & wrench the last coppers out of the citizenrys pockets. The Wee Ginger Tom up at Holyrood will be planning a sweep South with her Weegie horde of Stormtroopers fuelled up on Irn Bru & double fish suppers ye ken, "Tae taik back oor taxes" robbed by Westminster.

Meanwhile, Nige will be sitting down at Dover with the Pub Landlord over a pint flicking V's towards France & the EUSSR. As to the rest of them, well they'll probably be doing a jackanapes Tony trick somewhere for their EU masters.

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I was preparing myself to be impressed with Nigel Farage, but having heard him last night, I suspect his only policy is to blame foreigners for everything. He is somewhat a one trick pony.

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I think that this has been said of Farage for a long time...his party have no policies other than the promise to ditch the EU.......and I am not sure they would know how to go about that.

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It does seem to be the case, whenever he's on the box or radio, even the papers the conversation goes in the same direction it appears. Admittedly immigration & Europe do have a strong influence on the lives of Joe & Josephina Public, but it isn't the B all & end all of their concerns & worries though.

I do hope that when the UKIP manifesto does eventually come into the public domain (after Easter allegedly), that it is, in depth, informative wide reaching & relevant to the UK & her people, now that will be the big ask!

Should they fail to achieve these goals or for that matter impress their earnestness upon the folk of UK, then they'll be no better than the present self serving, avaricious muppets we already have & their touting "We know what's best for you, so we've no need to listen to your concerns, just trust us!" Yeah right & look where thats got us.

Like I say, I do hope they can fulfil the expectations of those they've given hope to, for their own sakes & that of those desperately looking for a better brighter UK for themselves & their offspring

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I was looking forward to a decent debate and all we got were 7 party political broadcasts on behalf of the 'Free Milk For the Over 5's Party'.

Call me Dave was still blaming everybody and his dog for anything which didn't sound good.
Nigel Farage was blaming them damn foreigners for every bad thing that has happened since Henry VIII started collecting wives.
Nichola McFish put on an impressive performance but the undertones of gloating with regard to free prescriptions, tuition fees and the like kind of turned me against her. Why do the McVoters get those things for nothing within the same legislation?
That Australian woman's voice gets on my nerves although some of the screeches she made were a breath of fresh air.
Nick Clegg was just Nick Clegg and any interest I had in him dissolved after the last election.
Edwin Broadband is a politician I simply cannot take seriously as I see him as a naughty school boy who was late with his homework.
I think that was all of them .............

Hang on though, wasn't there a Welsh woman on the stage for some reason?
Not sure why.

What we didn't get to the bottom of was the nation's debt.
We were told that the National debt had been halved, it was the same as when the tories came to power and that it had also increased.
We were also told that the GDP was up and down but which one is the true situation.

I can't recall if inflation was mentioned but being told that inflation is as low as it is, when my bills keep increasing at a much higher rate makes me not trust a single word a politician of any party utters.

Call me Dave didn't want the debates in the first place and after wasting 2 hours of my life last night, when we could have been playing Scrabble.
For the first time in my life - I find myself agreeing with him.

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Cameron wishing he wasn't there.
Ed staring at you with those big eyes, looking ready to cry, oozing oily sincerity. Not PM material, want's you to love him too much.
Clegg branded forever by his promise on student fees and tying up with the Tories.Probably won't get enough MPs to join in a coalition.
Wood only wants more English money for the Welsh, no mention of how to raise it.
Bennett wants to spend a fortune, make us all walk and sit in the dark with coats on, no financial policy on how she'd pay for it(look what they've done to Brighton).
Farage, entertaining but a bad boob with the 'Foreigners with aids' line. Hard to take seriously.
Sturgeon- Heaven help us if she gets in coalition with poor Ed, she'll eat him alive(quicker than he can eat a bacon butty!). She'll set up Scotland just as she wants it with English money then when she's got all she can she'll go for independence again, on her terms. She's good but dangerous, I think her performance guaranteed she'll wipe out Labour in Scotland.
I doubt if it swayed anyone's vote(except the Scots) but just left a lot of us even more worried about the future of the UK.

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You have got it pretty straight there Gordon. Nothing much of note from any of them, probably the only positive things that came out was from Farage - £10B saved by stopping foreign aid to all and sundry and a further £10B saved by withdrawing from the EU, and an Australian/Canadian style points system for all immigrants.
However, I still wonder which of them, if any, will follow their consciences rather than their careers if they are elected. No doubt the Hyndburn electorate will remember who did put career before conscience and the will of his electorate not too long ago.
I must admit to distinct apprehension at the probable cost of Mr Baconbutty being supported by the SNP - in fact that scares me. But, whilst there is all the talk of Labour being supported by the SNP when it suits them or the bribe is adequate, the SNP seats are going to come from Labour seats, so unless they win seats from other parties, Labour plus SNP
will still only be roughly what Labour seats were before.

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We never listened at all,to this pile of crap. seen bits though on the news, I think its the media plus the dumbos slating what Farage said, the man is perfectly correct, why should britain pay for non - britains medical care? are yez really that stupid?:rolleyes:

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im sure if he gets enough votes the tories will be more than happy to show him or say they will to make a partnership if they need to

He may well be a 1 trick pony but can we honest say that the partys with many tricks have done that well for us and our country

it seems to me that the partys with many tricks are the ones with the tricks they play on us like disguising true intent with what they think is clever word play and dong the exact opposite of what they say they will do or think should be done

ukips 1 trick is a very good one though infact i hope they get a partnership with the tories because the only way that will happen is if thetories agree to a referendum

labour clearly wont let the people have their democratic right and say ..They are too scared to loose the immigrant vote

or is it because we are too thick to understand whats going on

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I remember the little girl who was shot in the head because she wanted an education. Would Farage begrudge her having medical treatment in this country? I don't.

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its ok throwing this girl into the mix and using her to make your point but the point farage was making about the abuse of NHS was nothing to do with this girl or cases like hers he was making a very valid point that people come here to take advantage of our health system and to abuse it just as they do our benefits system..

not saying i agree with everything farage says or does but he has a point when he says our NHS sytem is abused by people coming here from outside the UK and throwing a humanitarian case into the debate dosnt alter that

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But do you think he would begrudge her receiving medical treatment in this country? He was the one who threw HIV sufferers into the mix.

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It is all irrelevant, because however we vote the politicians do whatever they want once elected...once they have your vote they know that for five years they have it made and that we can do precious little about it.

It doesn't matter what we think...or even if we do think(our own personal elected representative thinks that we are incapable of rational and logical thought) whoever is in government have the whip hand......they are not there to serve us...but to look after themselves.If voting changed anything they would stop us from doing it.
This thing called democracy is all an illusion to make us subdued and to let us think we can make a difference

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no i dont that girl was a humanitarian case what farage is refering to is a flood of HIV patients coming here with the sole intention of getting their hands on HIV medication that is very expensive and staying here so they can keep getting those expensive medications without having put 1 penny into the system

its the national health service not the world health service and unless the world is willing to put money into our health service it wont be able to treat the world and provide free treatment to the world

hey if theres an endless pot of money go ahead treat the whole damn world for all i care infact id encourage it but as it is the NHS dosnt have an unlimited amount of funding it has a budget to keep to .

maybe we should invite all of americas sick here as well.They dont have a health service and obama care isnt working too good.

where does it stop , id like to think theres a limit of some sort or shoudl we just keep shoving money at it until we go bankrupt ourselves and loose the NHS ?

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Well as I said at the beginning I was prepared to be impressed by Farage, but on every single question asked during the debate, he brought foreigners, immigrants and the EU into his replies. Is that all he thinks about?

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Magaret it isn't irrelevant it just shows the way politicians are...

We are being offered a change of government by our vote. 60% won't bother to vote, of the rest some will vote the way their parents and they themselves have always voted.
It will all depend on the people that are the small minority,

Those of us that actually think.

Yeah, O.K. I admit the last sentence is nonsensical, if we all actually 'thought', we wouldn't vote for any of what is offered. [emoji30]

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Possibly, possibly not but its were much of british money is going, so tell me who else gives a damn.?

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Personally, I think it's about time we had a referendum in this country about our membership of the EU. It's been an emotive subject for a long time, so it needs settling once and for all.

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the last person who said that and could have has an effect changed his mind a few weeks after been elected and voted against us having a referendum

not going to get into that again im sure everyone recalls his massive u-turn and his lack of willingness to explain why he did what he did and it can be found quite easily using search feature on the forum

but alas you could stick a red rosette on a turd around here and most folk will still vote for it.

this will be the first election i wont vote labour as i prommised the day after it came out our MP voted against us having a referendum.

the only problem i have now is which one gets my vote i dont want to waste it like i did last time

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Well one Party leader has promised a referendum in two years' time, but whether you could take another Tory government is another matter.

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wouldnt trust either labour or tory to keep their word on anything

liebour vs con's is the way i see the election

looks like the advocate for manhole covers is gonna get in again because no other party has put any serious competition forward

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But didn't he explain that 95% of us didn't understand what it was all about?

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Just a thought.

Do the Germans pay for non Germans medical care?
do the French pay for non French medical care?
Do the Spanish pay for non Spanish medical care?

If the answer is YES, Farage has a point.

If the answer is NO, then the solution is NOT to leave the EU, it's to make sure the UK abides by the same rules (and no more) than everyone else!

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You are quite right about other EU countries charging for medical services, even if you hold an EHC - but it doesn't stop there. You cannot claim any benefits until you have worked for a period, you cannot practice your trade until you have become certified in that trade and the exams are in the language of that country.
They also ignore the rules for asylum seekers/illegal immigrants - they are required to register and seek asylum in the first EU country that they arrive in.
What other organisation would you support that has not had it's accounts verified and signed off - and this organisation, the EU, is responsible for "spending" an incredible amount of money every year. If it were a national company they would have been heavily fined and the directors sent to jail.

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Having lived in Spain i had to pay for "ALL" Interpreters and pay For Medical Care for my late wife n I until i had paid enough into the Spanish System and rightfully so. So You saying NOT to leave the E.U. is a non starter, cos we dont do the same thing here anyway, Methinks yeh are trying hard to secretly wave the Labour flag?

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.....so it seems we are threatening to leave an organisation because we don't like having to apply rules that other member nations ignore.:confused::confused::confused:

We can get the hell out of there...........

........or we can start applying the same attitude to the rules. Charge foreigners for health care, even if they have a EHC card. Don't give anyone benefit until they've been here a certain period. Don't let anyone practice a trade until they are certified in that trade AND make the test only available in English.

Ignore the rules on asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, and tell the other countries we won't entertain ANYONE from another EU state, because that is where they should seek asylum.

Seems to me it's our own attitude towards political correctness and 'doing the right thing' that is causing us problems as EU members.

Let's start playing the game like everybody else, and use the rules to suit us!

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Many of the European countries cherry pick which rules they will follow and which they will ignore....and nothing happens to them.

I am not European, I am British. I do not want to be a part of the European union as a political organisation(which is what it has become) rather than the trading union it was sold to us as.

I do not want unelected bureaucrats(with no accountability) in Brussels to make the laws by which I abide.
If they are going to do that, then what is the purpose of out own parliamentary system?

The EU is a corrupt money gobbling monster......and if it were a business it would never be allowed to operate.

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That will never happen n you know it, Both parties have ignored when in power, Whats causing us problems in my view is clowns in the public who are happy with this farce.:rolleyes:

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If the Tories are given another term and by some mad chance there IS a referendum on membership of the EU, the government are not obliged to follow the wishes of the electorate.

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When we signed up to be a member of the EU, it was for trade purposes.
This is no longer the remit of the EU.....it is far more a political organisation, seeking ever more binding political ties.

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If Ed and the unions hadn't knifed his big brother in the back I think Labour would be scoring much higher in the polls now.
The unions got what they wanted- a man who'd do as he was told. Trouble is he'll do as Ed Balls tells him, as Sturgeon tells him, as Obama tells him, hell, he just wants to be loved.

We once thought of retiring to Spain so I read up on it.
One very clear instruction- you must have full medical insurance. The Spanish health service, as cashman says, would only give very limited cover even using your card, same with France and Germany. Not even free visits to GPs, even though we are EU members. Not in the EU- nocover at all.
I think Farage was referring to people from all over the world, not the EU, who turn up here for free treatment. Shame he did it so clumsily.

As the boss of Fiat/Chrysler once said-' We Italians have no problems with EU laws, if we don't like them we ignore them.'

We're the fools in the EU, always having to set the good example. The others must laugh at us.

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Mike there's no comparison here, Malala came to UK because we had the expertise (British Military trauma treatment teams) to treat her & the costs were carried by Pakistan. The point Nigel Farage was making was that it is irreconcilable that the UK pay for treatment of people who have no connection & have made to contribution to the upkeep & costs of a UK based & funded service.

It's on a par with someone coming to you & saying that from this point on, you must open your home up to some complete stranger who doesn't speak your language, understand, accept or even respects your sense of propriety & to top it all off, you'll be paying for the lot out of your own pocket with no recompense from anywhere or anyone, but if your lucky they may just say thank you & this for an indeterminate time with no regard to cost, be that monetary or personal.

Not so appealing when it's so seen eh?

http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/mal...-nhs-treatment

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An independent report a couple of years ago claimed foreign visitors, EU residents, migrants etc cost the NHS up to £2 billion a year in free treatment. Even British expats coming home for free treatment should have to pay and don't! Didn't realise that.
Health tourists, those who just come for free treatment then go home -up to £300,000.

I'll bet no other EU country( come to that any other country) allows that.

NHS 'Free at the point of delivery' healthcare is supposed to apply to UK citizens, not the rest of the world!

£2 billion would pay for quite a few doctors and nurses.

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I agree Gordon. Anyone coming here on holiday or on a works permit should have to prove they have health insurance to cover any costs for any treatment they might need. After all we have had to pay towards it all our working lives.It is time which ever party is in power had the nerve to make sure everyone other than our own tax and National Insurance payers pay for treatment. Our citizens do not get away with free treatment any where abroad.

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you are aware that in most wet arse liberal eyes you have just posted a vile racist rant ..

normal folk call it common sense which is sadly lacking from the people who run the country;)

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I'm sure they can afford it, we give them £405 million a year in aid so they can just give us a little bit back