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We all know all this pushing by any opposition for government ministers to resign is tit for tat specially with Home Secretaries.. Theresa May is as thick as dog kak but then again we've had to put up with the likes of Blunket and co.. end of the day we just end up with another idiot.

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Showed today the true colours of these Torys, Labour n Lib Dems condemned Murdoch as not a fit n proper person, Just guess who didn't?:rolleyes:

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Because that statement had never been discussed and wasn't on the agenda, a Labour addenda after the fact;)

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Thats a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card? Everyone n his dog knows/knew what Murdoch was its that simple, there was nowt to discuss.:rolleyes: They just never had the balls to say it.

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Its not monopoly its real life, don't care what it is you don't support something you never discussed, if so whats the point of discussion

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What a load of crap, Defending the indefensible,:rolleyes:

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They've been discussing this for six months then tack something on to a statement which had never even been broached once, a nonsense

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And you believe in those six months the question of wether Murdoch is or is not a fit person in business to run the largest media monopoly in the world was not mentioned ?.. stick your head back in the sand.

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Agree, some refuse to call their own if its wrong.

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got stuffed last night:cool:

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Yep but will make not a jot of difference.

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Does anyone know who won in Barnfield Ward?

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If elections change out they ban um:rolleyes:

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You couldn't really expect anything else, but as Cashy says it won't make any difference to them except some dented ego's. They'll still be filling their pockets at the costs of others & Labour are no better, so I wouldn't be to pleased if I were you, frying pan-fire-then back to the frying pan again !

No C'mon, the real losers on the night are the public ..... again. :mad:

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tories, libdems, labour are all one entity -
the illusion they are seperate is a pantomime hoax to divide us

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National turnout of 32% shows just what people think about politics and politicians, in the words of Paul Daniels Not a Lot

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is 'Mr D';) still about?...last i heard he lost a finger while in a box :eek::eek:

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Well done Bo!:rolleyes::D

He won't be standing again in 2016 apparently -a new line of T-shirts is already in production.;)

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Many things are said in jest mobertol, but Bo certainly had something that Call Me Dave didn't have, um er well ya Livingston as an opponent:D

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Mr LivingstonE, I presume!

Seems he's leaving politics behind and is opening a tea shop of sorts -expect Boris will be popping in for his cuppa before going into the office;)

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Would you buy a cuppa form that guy, no thank you:D

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good he has gone he was a liability,but boris to be the next pm:D

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I think I would put up with a dodgy haircut than dodgy Balls. :eek::tongueout

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Wonder if he'll be doing food, dogs dinner & baloney a speciality I'd imagine. ;)

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i think ian duncan smith should go as he has hit a new low .what a nasty piece of work he is.Welsh Minister calls for Iain Duncan Smith to be sacked | Wales - ITV News

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next he will be calling for those pesky ramps to be removed from public buildings

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did you know? you now have no workers rights for 2 years.i wonder what other workers rights will be next to go.all sponsored by the head honcho of wonga.com who charge 1000% plus apr tories = scum BBC News - Vince Cable calls sacking plans in Beecroft report 'the wrong approach'

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Ah yes the "Beecroft Report".. another quango that this government have paid millions to a Tory donor..
The report, which was published on Monday, was compiled by Conservative Adrian Beecroft..Beecroft has donated £573,076 with the last transfer in October 2011..no change there eh?

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Hello dick and domare back

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But you can't see my posts..I'm on "ingore"

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And no response from the "old time" socialists?.. this lot are trying to bring in laws that can sack people on the spot.. the same laws this country had 100 yrs ago.. what say you?

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"A fit land for heroes to live in":rolleyes:

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heres 500,000 grand wanna do me favour i know create fear destroy employment laws so when they are desperate i can charge them 7000% apr:eek: to hell with the peasants let them rot...

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Employment law needs reforming...it's extremely difficult to actually fire someone even if they constantly screw up.

You have to follow a long drawn out disciplinary process that is heavily weighted to the employee. Then you have to put up with union representatives arguing that you cannot fire the person because you didn't dot the 'i' and cross the 't' in the initial warning letter.

Then you have the appeal which goes over the same ground.

Then you get taken to tribunal anyway because the employee has nothing to lose and everything to gain because it doesn't cost them anything win or lose.

All this costs time and money to the employer, who usually settles by giving a couple of grand to the employee because it's cheaper in the long run even if the employer wins the case.

Imagine for instance, someone doesn't turn in to work for two weeks, no phone calls, no sicknote, nada...you have to keep that persons job open for him, you have to attempt to contact him, he doesn't turn up the third week, you then have to write to him, giving him a 'reasonable' (which is open to interpretation), amount of time to respond.

We are now in to week 5 without a response, you again have to write informing that a disciplinary will be held, again you have to give a reasonable amount of time for a response. You hear that he is posting on facebook that he is in Spain having a holiday, but you still have to keep that job open and follow procedure. No response by week 8 and you hold the disciplinary in his absence and fire him. You've lost eight weeks production. He finally responds by letter with a backdated sicknote saying that he has depression caused by work related stress and is taking you to tribunal for adding to the stress by firing him.

You now have reams and reams of paperwork to complete, you have pay for the time of all involved to prepare for and attend the tribunal..much simpler for the employer to pay a few grand to make this go away.

And the upshot is, the employer will not give anyone a chance in future, he'll make damn sure that he will only employ people with bona fide, rock solid references and work history. He won't take a chance on anyone who has been sick and trying to get back into work, nor will he give youngsters without a work history a chance. Once bitten, twice shy!

Employment law as it stands is a double edged sword, personally I'd put it on a par with the Human Rights Act in that it's open to abuse because it's been poorly legislated.

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I assume yeh never been to an employment tribunal Guinness? The fact is they find in Employers favour 80% of the time. Fact.:rolleyes: according to ACAS only approx 6 weeks ago the employee or his union,if he happens to have one are liable for costs incurred if they lose.

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Yeah I agree, and I've attended a couple.

But the point I'm trying to make is that it costs time and money for the employer to prepare and attend, and there is still a risk, even though its minimal.

Far easier, cheaper and totally risk free to pay a couple of months wages to get shut of the problem.

Which brings me back to the first line of my previous post, employment law needs reforming

Edit..didn't know about the acas ruling...i'll have to check that one out

Second edit..taken from the direct gov website..

'There is no charge for making a claim to an Employment Tribunal. So unless you are paying a representative (for example, a solicitor) there is normally no cost in making a claim.
However, the Employment Tribunal can order you to pay costs (known as expenses in Scotland) if it thinks you or your representative has behaved 'unreasonably' during the case.'

There's that word 'reasonable' again ;)

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Also check out another fact, The Employee has to pay back "ALL" monies gained from benefits he accrued whilst waiting months fer the tribunal, if they win, another fact.;)

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Hmm..took a fair bit of wading through, but you're totally correct, useful to know

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No problem, have recently been helping someone prepare for one. n had to check if owt had changed since my day.;) Also worth taking into account that any worker not using a solicitor fer financial or other reason, has approx a 1% chance of winning their case, against n employment solicitor, unless the Firm has cocked up big time.

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you live in clod cuckoo land the new employment laws mean if somebody dont like you whether its nationality race colour of eyes etc they can just consign you to the scrapheap of life .come into the real world.tories say buy your house get a mortgage buy your own council house etc.tories do create unemloyment create a atmosphere of fear in the work place give the banks loads of money for quantative easing but tell banks do what you want with money,so nobody gets mortgage and they keep it.there ideology is flawed they are a flawed and scummy so called political party,

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Me seems to think you don't live in the real world, tell me which legislation the Tories passed like trade union reform were rescinded while your beloved Tony and Gordon had the chance, the bottom line is the Tories bring in legislation that Labour would love to but daren't because they would lose their Union Cash Cow.

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Hmmm..you obviously don't know about the Equality Act 2010, Equal Opportunity Act 2010, Disability Discrimination Act 2005 amongst other laws that would prevent this'

Not really relevant to employment law, but I'll bite.

I'm not a lover of some of the current banking systems, however, with regard to mortgages they have simply gone back to what they used to do before the last Labour governments 'spend, spend, spend' attitude. i.e. they make sure that people have a deposit, so that they don't get into negative equity, and they risk assess that you have the means to actually pay the mortgage back.

I don't see that as Labour, Tory, or even Monster Raving Looney idealogy..just plain old 'real world' common sense.

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labour brought them in. the tories want to destroy everything labour brought in;)

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ohhhh a bit dodgy that tory party chairwoman lol

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Tommy Sheridan dodgy, or not quite that bad?

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You missed out Eric Joyce, Ken Livingstone, Dianne Abbot, Lord Taylor, Eric Illsley, Jim Devine, David Chayter, Margaret Moran, Elliot Morely etc..etc..;)

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For their own safety Lucky Heather lives north of the border, in a li'l stab proof bothy, so might not have heard of the other dodgy people you listed.

;)

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yep and most are idiots.they should be weeded out but if we tried to weed out the dodgy in the tory party they would cease to exist;)

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I'm not disagreeing with you.

Just adding a little, unbiased, balance.

;)

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Speaking of weeding..Tony (Rent-a-speech) Blair, Gordon (bloody woman) Brown, 'Lord' John (Double standards) Prescott, Diane (Black supremacist) Abbot..etc.. 'nuff said

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Lets hope that good old Aleck is triumphant , just think of the jobs it would create if he gets his way, rebuilding that wall across the full length of the boarder:D

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nae chance:smilingfa

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fleet street fox: Broken Britain.

Interesting little blog about Baroness Warsi and the inadequacies of the House of Lords.

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Seems to me "Foxy" has nailed it bang on, Great pity the majority of the public probably don't.

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Not according to recent polls, bring it on:mosher:

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Bang on the money! Unfortunately, both major parties aren't going to change the House of Lords anytime soon because, like the EU bureacracy, it's such a handy berth for ageing/failed politicians and others who the government want to reward.

Apart from the current controversy over Warsi, the real scandal is that she is a member of the government taking important decisions which affect all our lives, yet the electorate comprehensively rejected her. This, in a so-called modern democracy. :rolleyes:

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We might have to get used to it Steve......there is much that is done by those who we didn't elect. I'm thinking Brussels here, and unless someone grows some cojones and asks the electorate that little question, we are ambling towards more of the same.

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The first time I saw her interviewed was on Question Time, prior to her failing to win a seat as a Member of Parliament.

I was quite impressed, her banging on about equality.

Blimey, I thought, hug-a-hoodie Conservative-Lites really have changed from what they once were.

Then she was asked about civil partnerships, which she vehemently opposed.

So much for equality.

In her twisted world some seem more equal than others.

Now everyone can see her for what she is.

Two faced, and dishonest.

She should go far...in the political world.

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I think this belongs in here ... it has to do with Tories. Seems like someone is mailing body parts to Conservative Party HQ in Ottawa:eek: Yes, Ottawa! All of a sudden Canada ain't boring no more:theband:


Human foot sent to Canada's Conservative party headquarters | World news | guardian.co.uk

And it made the British press ... way to go Canada.:D

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It made the Guardian Eric:rolleyes:

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53% against;)

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Yeah ... but I bet when it makes the "Mail" the story will be a lot more fun;)

Evidently the killer made a video of the murder; and now the coppers have the video:eek: Far out, eh.:D

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probably a young politition trying to get his foot in the door :)

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:D And a typical politician too .... I guess the other foot arrived at Liberal Party HQ:D Must be hedging his bets. Canada hasn't been this much fun since a guy hacked off someone's head on a cross-country Greyhound.:)

Ah well, I guess I'm wandering way off topic ... but, a little lite summer relief is ok.

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Well according to reports it was a porn star:rolleyes:

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I'm not having that, size isn't important & on top of that, you know how they exaggerate. ;)

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I'm getting a bit fed up with this Jeremy Hunt affair, he a real DH, to me there's only one saving grace, that his parents didn't call him Isaac when he was born, mind you it would probably be more applicable:rolleyes:

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another u-turn today thats 3 in a week.looks like osbourne is getting his bottom spanked for being a very naughty boy:D:D:D:D:D

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I seem to remember that those Public School boys enjoy that;)

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looks like the tories arent saving any money

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Have you actually looked at that graph doh;)

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yep still spending more money than labour. tut tut david cameronhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189788/Cameron-took-maximum-taxpayer-funded-mortgage--paid-75k-loan-months-later.html?fb_action_ids=3594147124564&fb_action_t ypes=og.likes&fb_source=feed_opengraph

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If your going to put a link in please make sure it works, so we can igore the real thing

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even the imf are starting to agree with my comments on fiscal policy:p

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Sure thats not MFI:rolleyes:

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Ha ha belated happy birthday:)

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Ya Cmon your always 24+ hours late with everything, but thanks anyway its the thought that counts:D

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same old tories bare faced liars they are really the enemy from within Gove 'made school deal with council' - Education News - Education - The Independent

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Very much like the last government who were one big lie from start to finish

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the tories 1981 till 1997 10,325 playing fields sold off labour 1997 till 2008 800 playing fields sold any playing field sold is wrong but their is a little comparision there;)

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Well seeing the Wilson governments of the 60s and 70s tried to totally do away with school sports, because there ethos was "there should be no winners or losers", there was hardly nothing to do with redundant playing fields so why keep them, If the last government had any intention of reintroducing school sports why did they carry on selling, sis of one half a does of the other me thinks and anybody else with any sense.

ps best of luck next weekend when Rangers fulfill their dream of playing in England:rolleyes:

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This is going too far ... now you are accusing Labour of selling their sisters and mutilating deer:eek:

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Well they did didn't they;)

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Probably ... but it don't matter; 95% of voters don't give a flying you-know-what anyway:D

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Been reading in the English press that most folks don't think that the coalition will last till the next elelction. What's the take of you guys on here? I don't think it's off topic 'cause it's the actions of the tories that would have to provide the spark for the coalition's burn out.

If the Lib-Dems do decide to go their own way (if they can figure out which way that is:rolleyes:), does that mean that there will automatically be an election; or, is it possible that the Lib-Dems and Labour could form a government? Does the law allow Cameron to call an election before his term is up?:confused:

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An election is not automatic.
The tories may well struggle to get any legislation passed.

That could result in a motion of 'no confidence' which could get them out.
Motions of no confidence in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I think the coalition may well last the term Eric, I think fer all the differences, The Lib Dems will kiss ass fer as long as it takes to keep em in a bit of power. Thats my view anyway.

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Tory councils are biggest sellers of school playing fields | Education | The Guardian heres more proof they are bare faced liars:eek:

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On www.parliament.uk Home page - UK Parliament it states that the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 fixes the date of the next General Election at 7 May 2015, and provides for five-year fixed terms. It includes provisions to allow the Prime Minister to alter the date by up to two months by Order. There are also two ways in which an election could be triggered before the end of the five-year term:
if a motion of no confidence is passed and no alternative government is found
or if a motion for an early general election is agreed either by at least two-thirds of the House or without division

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from the Guardian say no more

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I understand the "no confidence" thingy ... and I also assume that certain votes, the defeat of a budget for example, are probably considered automatic "no confidence" votes. But the uncertainty still exists in "If ... no alternative government is found":confused: Seems as if a Labour/Lib-Dem coalition would constitute a viable alternative. And if Labour sees an advantage in not calling an early election they would certainly not vote for one ... and that means to "two thirds of the House" thing is out the window.

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I am waiting for the campaigning for the next general election.
Normally the parties call one another ill to burn and sling mud at the party that has been in power...citing all the things they have got wrong..........I wonder if there will be some revelations about what went on with this coalition 'marriage of convenience'.

I can see the tories and the lib dems losing votes...perhaps to smaller parties like UKIP.

It is going to be an interesting time.

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The sums just didn't add up after the last election Eric, for a Labour / Lib Dem coalition. The two parties MPs together would not have been enough for an overall majority. Its no secret that a lot Lib Dems would have preferred a coalition with Labour. But it wasn't to be,it wouldn't have been sustainable.

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I keep forgetting the irrational fear of a minority government that exists over there.

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The main reason these useless tories got any sort of vote was the feckless idiots that vote for them no matter what and those who believed they would sort out our economy...they were and are wrong.. and as long as we have this knackerd government it won't get any better... BBC News - UK government borrows £600m in July as tax receipts dip

Results like this are not welcome but just imagine if they had been sprung when Gordon Brown had been in charge!

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No need to imagine. The Government borrowed £8bn the last July Labour were in office. Public Sector Finances, July 2009

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My thoughts exactly Andrew

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Cheer up.

One thing was very noticeable after the news was announced: not one share price lost its value and not one international financial backer threatened to demote the UK's financial standing.

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This thread seems to have taken on a life of it's own (viral or what) and I will admit I haven't read all of it, I honestly don't have that kind of spare time, but it does seem to give a good indication of the political diversity on this forum, and that's good.
My view of politics has changed over the years and I have become less "committed" to any one party. I am a life long, (or at least adult long) socialist, not out of some political dogma but out of an innate sense of fairness but even that has diminshed somewhat due to the fact that the more I learn about humanity the more I realise it can never really work. The fact is though I still have an intense dislike of the Tories because nothing in their principles is aimed at fairness, and there still is an overwhelimg bias toward the wealthy. There was a time (pre-late seventies) that concensus politics ruled and there was less radicalism but the Thatcher era put an end to all that. She took politics in this country so far to the right that it created what came to be known as the wratchet system. In other words the labour party itself had to become more right wing to compete with the greed and selfishness that ensued.
I thought the dark days of Thatcher were long gone but the present incumbents are showing the same attitude of shifting wealth from the poor to the rich that occurred then.

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Mancies going to love you. :D