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The only reason we (Western economies) are in so much debt is down to our "Leaders" political scondrels of all stripes , prime example , one small town in China (pop 60, 000) produces 3 out of every 10 pair of socks sold worldwide , this does not include other manufacturing areas in China
see link Largest Sock Production Town in China

who allowed this to happen and why .....seems to me "free trade" politicians are guilty of nothing more than economic treason , sorry its none of my business if the Chinese don't have jobs , what is my business is if my family, friends and neighbours don't have jobs . If the Chinese want to make and sell socks they should be forced (import tariffs) to match local production prices otherwise they can sell them to the Africans and Indians.

Seems Graham Jones is to be commended for his anti free trade stance with his recent campaign against Google and support for equal oppertunities for local IT companies its to be hoped this campaign applies to other worldwide products and isn't just a bit of anti Americanism :rolleyes:
link to Graham Jones internet search engine speech/debate
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/...3A24835#g137.3

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well this story is interesting, wonder if the tories allow this. everybody who recieves any kind of benefit will have their personal details compromised when their data is sent overseas by the free global trade BBC News - Hewlett Packard might 'offshore' DWP jobs in Sheffield

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As part of my duties I used to buy English made socks for a firm I worked for.

Retail prices ranged from £12.95 - £35.00 per pair, over ten years ago.

Suprisingly I don't think Pantheralla socks have a stockists in Hyndburn.

:rolleyes:

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Incidentally, as beautiful as they were, I didn't wear them myself, other than the odd free sample.

Both the cotton lisle, and wool sock, could only be worn once or twice, before developing holes.

I bought cotton-rich socks from Primark.

Comfortable, lasted for ages, and at five pairs for a quid I didn't give a stuff where in the world they were made.

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Doubt very much that any shop assistant anywhere in the world wears £35 socks , apart from maybe the Herpes store in Dubai :tongueout

"I bought cotton-rich socks from Primark."
So your the one responsible for the fashion trend in Accrington , white tube socks paired with 'trackie bottoms' :D :D

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The thirty five quid socks were from our budget range, that I introduced.

The best socks were cashmere, but they were maunfactured in Switzerland.

;)

Selective buying, based on origin of production, is a luxury few in the real world can afford.

Without inexpensive clothing produced in the far east, much of the world would be naked.

Which I fear wouldn't be a pretty sight.

;)

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I was the creative director, who helped the buyer out on some lines that needed improving.

I earned a very good salary, but would still have bought my socks from Primark, because as well as being cheaper, they were a better product.

Home grown ain't always best.

Though I suppose you already know that, living in America, as you do.

;)

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I think the Tories are on a good hiding to nothing.

Any ruling party of any country in the world who has “free trade” with China will all have zilch in the coffers and will be doing some creative thinking of how to borrow off Peter to pay Paul.
Until China makes an even playing field for imports this state of affairs will carry on.


If China was circulating the money around the world we wouldn’t be in this predicament – but statistics show that we’ve had years of her selling approximately five times more than she buys from each country. Even the people of the USA have been importing hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Chinese goods but here again China has only reciprocated by importing as little as it could get away with.


One look at her very new, very modern cities can see she is wallowing in money. What’s more her prices are so low she has won some very lucrative contracts in what were former British colonies in Africa.

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Well its just as well the Tories have taken the measures with the economy because if we'd have carried on the rocky taken by Brown and Darling ie. borrowing borrowing and even more borrowing we would be in a real stew now, at least we've kept our triple A credit rating and are in a stronger position than a lot of our countries are now

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Were they pot smokers?;) Not good enough for the Tories, they like their Class A's:p

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They always be a class above Labour in everything:tongueout

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:confused:

As Harold McMillan said , quoting King Edward VII , " We are all socialists now . "

It's seems we are all capitalists now . :mad:

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You speak for yourself:D

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looks like they are not serious about fighting the debt crisis;)
The Tories have accepted more than £100,000 from a company behind a "sub-prime" financial services business that lends to people with poor credit ratings at interest rates of 45% and, in some cases, almost 200%.
The donation was accepted just four days before the government voted down plans to curb the power of subprime lenders.
The sub-prime market comprises people who may have difficulty maintaining the repayment schedule. Sub-prime loans have higher interest rates and less favourable terms in order to compensate for higher credit risk.
Records lodged with the Electoral Commission reveal that the Funding Corporation Group Ltd (FCGL), based in Warwickshire, donated £105,000 to the Tories on 24 June. The company also gave £25,000 last December.
FCGL owns 99.9% of the Funding Corporation Ltd which sells cars on hire purchase plans to drivers with poor credit ratings through a subsidiary, ACF Car Finance. The Funding Corporation Ltd also owns a debt recovery business, Red2Black Collections.
The companies are ultimately owned by Lord Edmiston, a staunch Tory party supporter and Christian philanthropist, who gave the Conservatives almost £300,000 between 2004 and 2009 under his own name.
Labour MP Stella Creasy, whose private members bill to curb the power of sub-prime lenders receives a second reading on 14 October, said the Tories' decision to accept the donation offered little hope that they would tackle the consumer debt crisis.
"The government has been dragging its heels on getting to grips with this problem and every month they don't take action and make the cost of credit more affordable, more people are getting into debt," Creasy said. "Those of us watching this have been wondering why they are so slow to act."
Online forums contain quotes from people who express satisfaction with ACF's services. But others express anger at its high interest rates. Some complain they became apparent only once they had signed up to buy a car.
A saleswoman for ACF explained to the Observer that a typical interest rate on a loan would be disclosed only after a client's credit rating had been checked and they had visited a showroom.
For those with a poor credit history who want to make repayments over a long period of time, the interest rates, once extra costs such as payment protection insurance are factored in, can be extremely high.
One man described in an online forum how he nearly bought a £7,000 car from ACF that would have ended up costing him £325 a month over 60 months, a total cost of £19,500, equivalent to an interest rate of almost 200%. Another bought a car valued at £5,995. But the true cost when interest and PPI was factored in came to £16,445.
The Tories' decision to accept the donation is potentially embarrassing. In opposition, they pledged to clamp down on Britain's private debt crisis. Last month, the chancellor, George Osborne, noted that out of "all the world's major economies the UK saw the biggest expansion in debt over the past decade".
He explained: "That's because we had the biggest housing boom, the most indebted families."
Measures that would have forced the lenders to curb some of their practices, were voted down by Lib Dem and Tory MPs on 28 June. A spokeswoman for the Conservatives declined to comment about the donation.

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::r ofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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to be honest I just could not be bothered to trawl through all that text to find out what your views are.......we already know.
You must lead a very narrow life if this is all you can post on.

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looks like hes listened to my advice :D:D:D hes going for a growth plan at last he was even losing support of the discredited imf;)
George Osborne is drawing up plans for a major growth package to boost the British economy, in what critics will say is a significant shift from his Plan A of austerity and spending cuts.

In what has been described in government circles as Plan A+, cabinet ministers have been told to identify big-ticket infrastructure projects that can be speeded up to jump-start growth.
The move follows President Obama's $450bn (£280bn) plan to create new jobs and cut payroll taxes, and comments on Friday by Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, who gave only qualified support to the UK Government's deficit reduction plan and said that Britain needed to show "readiness" to respond to flatlining growth.

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and anyway we know this is not your own work...there are capital letters in it....and punctuation.
You still fail to note that this is not a tory government...it is coalition....but your rabid hatred of anything tory clouds your judgement, and you seek to find justification for your views where ever you can get it.

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I suppose you phoned him and told him what to do.....get real.(the smileys don't give you any credibility either)

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How very sad.:rolleyes::bangh8::bangh8:

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I thought I was bad at cutting and pasting but this attempt does take the biscuit, the diatribe would have bad enough but the rest of the blurb too, its just priceless:hehetable:hehetable:hehetable

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It isn't pricelss John....it is taking up space on the system......space that c ould be used for something more enlightening.

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Ya the funny thing is he recons he's advising the government and he can't do a decent cut and paste job:D

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John, do you still have the pieces left from your Tory membership Card?

If so, I will cellotape them together again for you, so long as you get me an application form to sign up as a fully fledged Conservative.

Yes, I'm willing to betray my working class roots and join you in the nevada of your parties all embracing arms, rather then be associated in anyway to the idiot that thinks he's doing Socialism any good.

:D

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Searching the waste bins as I type:D

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lol:D:D:D

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Not now its not I have removed all the rubbish from the bottom of the post from the forum it was copied from.

If I had seen it before everyone posted about it I would have just deleted it to same me the bother of cleaning it up.

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I should've PM'd you about it Neil.
Glad it has now gone.

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Nice one Neil:alright:

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What - deleted the Labour manifesto according to Cmon give me a break here.:hehetable

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Post 414 more of C'mon's cut & paste drivel, mate, if you've got a point to make how about using your own words. As to people being indebted, simple phrase :-

"Learn to live within your means !"

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I honestly think that C'mon needs to make a very urgent appointment to see his dentist and arrange to have a wisdom tooth inserted;)

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youve got to know your limitations;);)








:D:D:D

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OMG he thinks hes Clint Eastwood now.:hehetable

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I warned you all ages ago.

He's a plant, down at Tory HQ.

Using subterfuge, so everyone will eventually turn into Conservatives.

Probably eats his butties with Cyfr at lunchtimes, discussing how well the plan's going.

;):D

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:D..Yep ..Andrew's venison and mustard.. Cmon with the salmon spread.:D

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At least one of them will go home without people wondering where his fingers had been.

Up the Tories!

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:D I did say venison sarnies..no mention of the Cameron Bottom..but I think you can find it at
Cameron's Bottom
596 Pineton Road
Cameron's Bottom, PA 15772

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Must admit, the way he's carrying on at present his head must be in pretty close proximity. :rolleyes:

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shock horror tory tells the truth, transport secretary phil hammond says the railways are a rich mans toy. i think in more ways than one the public money pumped into so called private firms are a disgrace the tories started it but this is one policy where labour blew it big time .they should have nationalised the railways as private firms took advantage of the public purse.now in times of high inflation static wages they decide its a good idea to raise train fares.i dont know the law, but if all the train firms raise the prices by 8% is this not some kind of price fixing for which firms have been fined for doing this same thing .any politicians or people in the know know the answer:confused:

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And if it had been renationalised how much money would the tax payer have to pump in to make it viable, nationalise industries treated the treasury as an unsustainable bottomless pit

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Somebody in the network rail set up seems to live in cloud cuckoo land. It seems to me that they're upgrading stations up and down the land with no regard as to how deep the pockets are of the fare paying customers.

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we would actually save money as the profits would be invested back in the railways private companies are established to make a profit so we now have railway companies taking subsidies and still paying shareholders their premiums thats what you call a waste.plus railway companies paying their directors top dollar without any consenquences ie railtrack who left a trail of debt to their creditors who went bust while recieving billions of payouts the private sector had their chance Railtrack goes bust with debts of 3.5bn - Telegraph BBC NEWS | Business | Government bails out Connex connex, railtrack, to name a few what we know about.

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nearly forgot to mention unemployment at its highest since 1988 this sounds familiar;)thatchers britain tories britain we could be heading to find out how good it was under labour;)

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Which one?

Labour, or New Labour.

Will we be looking back fondly to Harold Wilson, or Tony Blair?

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Now G....don't you know....as long as they are waving the Red flag...he doesn't care?

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Margaret, he does care, he's even paying attention to your suggestions about punctuation, he's using full stops now, admittedly never in the right places and often without spaces or Capital letters following them, but that must show that he at least cares enough to listen to you.
:)

Below shows two full stops he used in just one post!
:D

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Less, you are priceless!

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How much has this to do with the massive amount of foreign workers that have moved here since we became more Europey?

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Profits what bloody profits, you definitely live on cloud cuckoo land, nationalised industries didn't make a profit, especially the railways, they just sucked up taxpayers money at a great rate of notes, and the tax payer saw nothing for their money

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Isn't it funny that for years after Labour leave office there's always huge financial problems to sort out, 1970, 1979, 2010, the only problem is the longer Labour are in power the bigger the financial mess there is to clean up

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Ya Neil 9 out of every 10 jobs created by Labour went to people from other countries

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Is that just your impression, or do you have links to statistics that show that?

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I thought you would be the last person interested in facts :p

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Often so called 'facts' are proved to be fiction - it is sad that some people accept 'facts' without question.

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No it was in an article in the Guardian a few weeks ago;)
If your interested I'm sure you have the time to google it:)

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An example of which...
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...als-59226.html



Leaked carbon dioxide piped through to a drinks fountain was behind the fumes breathed in by a woman in McDonald's who later died, police said.

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Well, those qualifications in chemistry have stood you in good sted, you must have spent hours over a test tube searching for those results, (I hope she appreciates it).
:)

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I'd like to give thanks to my old chemistry master Mr. Ingham.

For furnishing me with the technical know how to uncover the facts of this sad case, and for teaching me that wild speculation is more than often useless.
http://www.intruderalert.ca/images/s...ley_bowing.gif

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Immigration went up by 20% this year.. in the same peroid jobs available went down by 18%.. public sector jobs went down by 110,000...the higest unemployment since the late 80's..you and plenty of others here seem to have the attitude that it's a simplle matter of cutting costs and it will all turn out well in the end.. wake up.

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And it's funny that with every Tory government we have riots, strikes, high unemployment, high inflation, the NHS left in tatters, cuts in defence and police.. cuts in anything that dares to be called "public".. I know what I'd rather have and so did the majority that voted against the Tories 18 months ago... you lot can live in your made up world were this lot can't do a thing wrong.. carry on .:D

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I suspect the truth lies somewhere between the worlds of mancie and jaysay.......

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Which government was it that actively encouraged immigration...regardless of the concerns of the electorate?
Which government lost countless asylum seekers by failing to track where they were?
Which government thought that marriage was outmoded?
The riots you talk of, were a symptom of the general moral decline, encouraged by Tony Blair and his cohorts.
Work ethics were not encouraged, but reliance on benefits was........ The thought was that if you make people reliant on you for hand outs they will vote for you. Wasn't that a bit sly....almost paying for votes.

The last government were a shambles and left the country in dire straits because of their failure to listen to the electorate.


This does not mean that I feel in agreement with everything the coalition government is doing.

I really don't care about what persuasion the governemnt is as long as they can sort out the mess left by the last incumbents.

New Labour are not socialist as the original Labour party were....they were as close to being tory as it is possible to be, without actually calling themselves tory....but because they kept Labour in the name they retained Old Labour voters....again another sly Tony Blair trick.

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Quite right, I can never understand why committed Tories or Labourites think it's such a good thing that their party should be permanently in power. If the Tories had been in the driving seat for the last hundred years, there'd be no welfare state, no NHS and the majority of the population would be working in terrible conditions and living in poverty. If Labour had been there for a similar length of time, we'd be living in some sort of drab, Soviet-style socialist police state. There may not be a lot of difference between the parties these days, but I'd prefer to keep the pendulum of government swinging!

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So James Callaghan was a Tory was he?

I always thought he was old labour myself.

Winter of Discontent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A selective memory is a wonderful thing.

(Jaysay for the first time in 13 years, don't comment, let the facts speak for themselves!).
:)

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I bow to your wisdom Less;)

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There's none so blind as those who will not see.

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Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe stated something that has been quoted by many people:

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"...

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I might show facts as plain as day: but, since your eyes are blind, you'd say, 'Where? What?' and turn away.

Christina Rossetti.

:rolleyes:

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I read once somewhere that the ideal balance was two terms labour followed by one term tory - don't ask me why it was two terms labour and only one tory but that was what it said. The same applies in America too.

In recent years things have gone wrong because Labour outstayed their welcome with three terms (things only really started to go badly wrong during the third term) and in America when George Dubya was in for two terms.

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Granted, but there's blind Men (& Women) on both sides of the fence. ;)

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There was no way you could keep your gob shut for even one post. :p:D

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didn't open mi gob I just typed it;)

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what happens when the charities run out of money are the goverment going to bale them out,which charities are they going to be sent to the creepy sects etc so vulnerable children would be put in danger:confused: Jobcentres to send poor and hungry to charity food banks - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

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I see the link does not mention Maundy Relief.....

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What I find strange about this is, having recently signed on for the Job Seekers allowance, when they informed me that I was entitled to this benefit, I was also told that I legally required x amount of pounds per week to survive.
They then went on to say that this is the amount they are therefore required to pay me.
Now, if Job Centres are going to send claimants to Charities to get a food top up, doesn't this mean that they are not actually giving enough money in benefits to meet the legal requirements for the claimants to survive?
:confused:

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Another problem left by Gordon then.:eek:

The total given emergency food boxes will rise from 61,000 in 2010 to an estimated 100,000 this year, according to the trust, which predicts that half a million Britons will need help by 2015. The latest available figures reveal that, in 2008-09 in England and Wales, almost 2.4 million people applied for crisis loans. Only 1.7 million received an initial award, meaning almost 700,000 were left waiting for a loan or had their applications turned down.:confused::confused:

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While I was waiting for my benefits to come through I was told there could be up to a 4 week delay in my first payment, due to the large amount of new claims swamping the system.
I asked how I was supposed to survive until then, I was told to apply for a crisis loan.
They now do this over the 'phone. One of the questions I was asked was, is there a family member or friend I could borrow money from to see me through?
My reply was no, they are all busy looking after themselves. She then said she would ring me back with the decision within 1/2 an hour.
True to her word she did ring back, she informed me I would not be getting a crisis loan because she had spoken to those nice people at the Job Centre and my first two weeks entitlement would magically appear in my bank account the following day, which it did.
I wonder how many people have put themselves into debt with friends or family because of this obviously flawed system?
Surely we shouldn't be recommended to try borrowing from others, (I might have tried using a loan shark), just because the Job Centre claim to have a 'Backlog'?

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Very strange. :confused:..according to the Government, newspapers (and a couple of regular posters on here ;)).. those claiming JSA are living the good life getting everything free and it's all lovely.:)

We have that favorite saying by the bloke from Ossy .." It might come back and bite you on the bum"...maybe we should think about that when we have a Government that is actively causing mass unemployment..but hey ho!:D

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It's strange isn't it? I was almost tempted to mention that from post #474 could be a new and important thread, because, from what I remember the situation I am now in was decided before the coalition took power.

Now I know thank's to you that it should be a different thread, because surely the latest rules I'm having to abide by were introduced by Labour not the Tory's.
:confused:

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it would have been quicker under labour but the tories got rid of nearly 200,000 civil servants when unemployment is getting higher;) and the cull isnt over yet just wait till they send you to a private company.

Don't you and your mate talk a right load of carp?
I'm no Tory, but you both make me ashamed to call myself working class, please try your best in future to make sense whenever you speak.

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ie the workload is bigger with less people to do the work;)

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Have told you, they're plants down at Tory H.Q.

Cyfr recruited them by the water tower.

An evil plan of subterfuge, to send good men and women Tory!!!

;):D

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They even have code names.

Kim, Guy, and Not So Very-Blunt.

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I never said anything about rules changes for JSA or any so called "benefit" I'm talking about the attitude this government have created since they came to power.. lets be honest....this Government have made it plain any chance they get that those claiming any kind of "benefit" are scroungers..

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I'll answer that..pal ;)....first of all I don't have any "mates" on here.. I hate the lot of you..I would never claim to be speaking for the working class socialists or whatever..so i don't see why you should reckon I or anyone should make you ashamed.. that's down to you my son ;)

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Yeah..they were all girls from the 5th form at Hollins when I went there:D

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If you hate us all so much then why bother to visit the forum?

If I felt like that about the forum members then I certainly would stop coming on here.

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That's a pity, as I like you! :)

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Just a figure of speech ..like when someone said they would shoot their kids.;)

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but isn't it just a bit strong to put that????
It certainly doesn't make good reading.
I can't say that there is anyone on here that I hate. After all we, none of us really know one another.....we only think we do. We only have our internet personas to go by.

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No..it's not to strong..it's tongue in cheek and at the same time making it clear I have no political allies on here..as for not making good reading .. :confused:.. can't be as bad as saying you would shoot your kids?:)...but then I reckon you do pick and choose the ones you feel comfortable having a go at.:D

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You think I am having a go at you?
What gave you that idea?
And I have never said I would shoot my children(kids are baby goats).
Mancie if you think that some people get different treatment from me.....please tell me who they are. I tell it as I see it. If I disagree with something then I will say that I disagree with it...no matter who says it.
I have no political allegiances either, but you don't believe that no matter how many times it is told.

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tories = put the working class in their place;) thats putting it politely:tongueout

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Take no notice.

Mancie is a fictional charcater.

Real name Fiona Featherington-Brown.

Read politics at Hull with Cyfr.

Now employed as researcher at Tory HQ.

Code name - Kim.

Mission to decrease suppport for Labour, in traditional Labour seats, by means of subterfuge, by posing as antsy working class warrior type.

;)

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Must be a London thing.

Another Accy Webber who lives down there, said if a forum disagreement happened in real life, it would end 'in violence.'

I blame the water.

It's very chalky, and makes people tetchy.

:rolleyes::D

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Tssh ..now where did I get that idea?.. I do believe you have no political allegiance..but let's say you do tend to lean on the side of this government.. along with your ..friend :D

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Me?


With leanings towards a Tory led coalition government?


Oh Mancie you have cheered me up, and given me a real laugh.


So amusing that even a line of smileys, on their backs laughing, wouldn't even be suitable.

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see the tories are up to their old tricks again giving the olympic village away to one of their donors,relaxing the banking rules and say goodbye to our green and pleasant land as the tories give the go ahead to bulldoze the countryside by removing planning permission laws.