The Tories

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

As far as the fire service response Retlaw I'd be inclined to note your opinion being as you're an old timer. But since your active days there's been many & varied technological & efficiency changes, added to that as you state they may come from various stations & according to the report that was the case.

No matter what technological change have occured, you still need men to operate the equipment, and machines to transport it to the scene of incidents, and buldings haven't had all that much done for the so called technological age, they still collapse, they still catch fire, people still get trapped in them. I regularly call in at the Fire Stn and I've seen nothing new that I couldn't instantly operate. They also have an eletronic system, type in a post code and it will display a route to the incident, so I tried it against my local knowledge and beat it 7 out of 10. Not every place has a post code, especially farms and smallholdings.

By the way one of my daughters serves as a Sub Officer in the London Fire Brigade.

[cmonstanley]

i know the facts, i know there is a campaign discrediting of fire fighters with the government stealing their pensions, closing fire stations etc. i wouldnt trust boris johnson one little bit. he is a dangerous amateur which has been proved with cyclists fiasco .

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

you still need men to operate the equipment, and machines to transport it to the scene of incidents
By the way one of my daughters serves as a Sub Officer in the London Fire Brigade.

Agreed, but modern crew numbers are less than in earlier times due to tech & advances.

As to your Daughter, utmost respect to her & her colleagues for doing a difficult & dangerous job.

[cmonstanley]

lives are saved by the speed the emergency services get there. it takes just seconds later for lives to be lost. the fire stations that are closing will make it longer for emergency services to reach their destination which will cost lives as the traffic in london is horrendous . i usually reside in west kensington while im in london where the population is rising quick like the rest of london but they decide to cut the emergency services doesnt make sense

[cmonstanley]

the tories are borrowing more than labour ever did. the only difference labour spent it on the public these tories are giving it away to a bunch of spivs. Britain?s deficit soars to its highest for 24 years - Business News - Business - The Independent

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i know the facts, i know there is a campaign discrediting of fire fighters with the government stealing their pensions, closing fire stations etc. i wouldnt trust boris johnson one little bit. he is a dangerous amateur which has been proved with cyclists fiasco .

You wouldn't know true facts if they jumped up a bit you on the bum, all your government bashing comes from is ignorance of real facts being replaced with those that fit your twisted ideology

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the tories are borrowing more than labour ever did. the only difference labour spent it on the public these tories are giving it away to a bunch of spivs. Britain?s deficit soars to its highest for 24 years - Business News - Business - The Independent

Because they are having to pay of the crippling interest on a £1.5 Trillion left by the last useless Labour Shower and those are the facts you scotch divvy

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Because they are having to pay of the crippling interest on a £1.5 Trillion left by the last useless Labour Shower and those are the facts you scotch divvy

Although I'm no lover of Blair/Brown, the actual figure left by the last government was £700 billion...which was mainly caused by spending on Education, Health and Welfare (for the sick and disabled despite Daily Mail headlines focusing on the 0.001% of con artists, most of whom were brought to book, hence the headlines)...

The current shower have managed to raise that to the figure you quoted of £1.5 Trillion (i.e. they doubled it in 3 years), they managed to do this despite reducing funding to health, welfare and education, despite reducing funding to just about everything and allowing the growth of parasitic companies like ATOS and OneConnect, both of whom have a mandate to screw people over (allegedly )...

AND they have increased the cost of everything they could think of and allowed foreign power companies to rob its electorate blind in the name of Mammon.

They take money in bedroom tax from pensioners and the disabled whilst allowing companies like Amazon to avoid paying tax by lack of modern thinking and poor legislation.

We have tory MP's laughing and joking about foodbanks and a minister for education who thinks schools should be run by Mr Chips and Joyce Grenfell. They have stifled the economy despite advice from almost every single economist on the planet. We give foreign aid to countries with space programs, (something we can't afford ourselves), whilst removing aid from our own by reducing the number of firemen, policemen and hospitals.

And before you use the stock 13 years argument..yes Blair/Brown were screw ups, liars, warmongers, wasters, pension thieves, muppets and generally made a right mess of things..but this incumbent lot are systematically destroying every single good thing that was ever created in this country and increasing the debt of every single man, woman and child with their insane policies.

If you seriously believe that the current crop of Conservatives are working for the good of the many, you have a real problem with your logic.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Although I'm no lover of Blair/Brown, the actual figure left by the last government was £700 billion...which was mainly caused by spending on Education, Health and Welfare (for the sick and disabled despite Daily Mail headlines focusing on the 0.001% of con artists, most of whom were brought to book, hence the headlines)...

The current shower have managed to raise that to the figure you quoted of £1.5 Trillion (i.e. they doubled it in 3 years), they managed to do this despite reducing funding to health, welfare and education, despite reducing funding to just about everything and allowing the growth of parasitic companies like ATOS and OneConnect, both of whom have a mandate to screw people over (allegedly )...

AND they have increased the cost of everything they could think of and allowed foreign power companies to rob its electorate blind in the name of Mammon.

They take money in bedroom tax from pensioners and the disabled whilst allowing companies like Amazon to avoid paying tax by lack of modern thinking and poor legislation.

We have tory MP's laughing and joking about foodbanks and a minister for education who thinks schools should be run by Mr Chips and Joyce Grenfell. They have stifled the economy despite advice from almost every single economist on the planet. We give foreign aid to countries with space programs, (something we can't afford ourselves), whilst removing aid from our own by reducing the number of firemen, policemen and hospitals.

And before you use the stock 13 years argument..yes Blair/Brown were screw ups, liars, warmongers, wasters, pension thieves, muppets and generally made a right mess of things..but this incumbent lot are systematically destroying every single good thing that was ever created in this country and increasing the debt of every single man, woman and child with their insane policies.

If you seriously believe that the current crop of Conservatives are working for the good of the many, you have a real problem with your logic.

I'd sooner have the current crop than socialism born of envy, you have it why can't I, the only trouble with born again socialist is they become worse than natural born Tories, remember good old Arthur went into the miners strike with a big union and a little house and came out the other side with a big house and a little union, hypocrisy personified, even Mrs Blair had the hard faced cheek to say she still considered herself a socialist, when they gain power socialism flies out the window

[cmonstanley]

telling you again these arent the true tories you harp on about . they dont care about the population or the future of britain, they are a bunch of opportunists ,spivs the tory party was never the same after thatcher this is one of the reasons we are skint . britain spent £2 billion giving money to private rail firms who then passed it on to their shareholders . the tories sold the utilities to foreign governments who now control our economy. we have no control over our destination, while the country rolls down the river they always yes always bring up immigration,attack the nhs for a smoke screen and people take it in. this country is so politically inept. you cant go on blaming the last government for ever.

[cmonstanley]

i want people to suceed in business ,i want people to own their own homes, i want people to have pride in their own country but these spivs have created an environment where it is virtually impossible for young people to get on the property ladder or a full time job.. if i was in charge i would be laying down laws that would drag down the shares of all the utilities and buy them all back.with the revenue created by owning the utilities , job creation, control of our destination it would single handedly bring us out of recession. everything i would do would be directed to the future for our country and children. i would keep the east line nationalised ,nationalise the rest of the railways with revenue raised i would put it towards taking back the transport infrastructure . i wouldnt rule out all private inclusion but would make sure all rolling stock was made in britain by british companies who were given conditions by taking on apprentices and local populations.. remember vote for me vote for cmonstanley for prime minister... lo

[cmonstanley]

dont let the spivs take it away from you

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I'd sooner have the current crop than socialism born of envy, you have it why can't I, the only trouble with born again socialist is they become worse than natural born Tories, remember good old Arthur went into the miners strike with a big union and a little house and came out the other side with a big house and a little union, hypocrisy personified, even Mrs Blair had the hard faced cheek to say she still considered herself a socialist, when they gain power socialism flies out the window

This is where your thinking is blinkered my friend...

Socialism is not born of envy, its about having a fair crack of the whip to better yourself from the fruits of your labour, and using some of those fruits to help those less fortunate.

As a socialist, I couldn't care less if you have more wealth than me, a nicer house, a better car and holiday for six months in Antigua providing you are doing this from the fruits of your own labour. You can own a factory and make a huge profit from the workforce, providing you treat your workforce with respect and pay them a fair days wage, I wouldn't care how huge a profit you made as long as you used a proportionate amount to help the less fortunate.

By proportionate I mean I earn 50p and give 5p, you earn £50 and give £5...what the tories want is the guy who has £50 to only give 5p....thats got nothing to do with envy....its about fairness.

Graham Jones retweeted something from Shelter Uk earlier.... 80,000 kids without a home in Great Britain this christmas morning

Shelter England- Home

So as a 'hypothetical' factory owner, what you putting in the pot to help?...... a socialist £5 or a tory 5p?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Guinness

This is where your thinking is blinkered my friend...

More than blinkered ... it's blind ... and stupid and illogical. It appears to be founded on the "idea" ... if one can call something so dumb, an idea ... of the trickle down effect. You all know the one: Give breaks and tax reductions to big business and they will generate wealth for the rich which will then pass down to the plebs. This works only as far as "generate wealth for the rich" ... this they will use to hire a bunch of high priced tax lawyers who will find all the available loopholes, and, maybe, find tax shelters. The rich are the greedy ones.

[cmonstanley]

even the torygraph hates this government and wants to tell the truth.Ministers accused of energy bill cut 'con' as £5-per-household saving will be paid back with interest - Telegraph ive just watched boris on the parliament channel on mayor question time . he didnt answer one question he dilly dallied mumbling a load of crap.